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Who the fuck thought it's a good idea for Jax to be strong the entire game?

After3perma··49 votes·16,047 views

He is strong late game we know that, but why the fuck is he a problem in the early game. Who the fuck thinks it's a good idea for most Jax's to start E level 1 then auto win the trades because of his fucking auto attacks immunity and Aoe damage reduction while also being able to attack himself.

At level 6, OH I'M JAX I GET DEFENSIVE STATS FOR FREE BECAUSE I BUILD DAMAGE.

Jax can 1v1. Can split push. Can team fight. Strong early, mid and late. Tanky because of ult and E, might as-well call this guy a hyper mobile unkiteable juggernaut. Gets free attack speed while other champions have to spend money.

Make the game follow the animation. If Jax uses E, he should not be allowed to auto attack but pause the passive stacks.

AND

Make his Q cooldown longer at all ranks. Camille E cooldown is 16 / 14.5 / 13 / 11.5 / 10 while Jax Q cooldown is 10 / 9 / 8 / 7 / 6. Rank 1 Jax Q is the same cooldown as Rank 5 Camille E. Change Jax Q cooldown to Camille's E cooldown especially since this fucking champion builds CDR and can use Q every 3 seconds and also has a lower mana cost.

116 Comments

Kloak43 votes

Tank stats with assassin level burst and ADC level of DPS. Fuck Jax.

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

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Tank stats with assassin level burst and ADC level of DPS. Fuck Jax.

You just described melee Graves

SaurabhKanhere1 votes

HA HA HAW HAAAJax

MadNoff13 votes

Know what fucking gets me? Jax was sht not too long ago. People were even begging for buffs for him.

Riot changed nothing. The Champ wasn't touched.

Now suddenly he's OP? JAX hasn't changed from when he was underpowered. The environment changed. Yes, he's strong now, but the problem isn't his numbers it's the new runes/items which are fking everything up.

Honestly, I'd like to see someone put up a well-thought-out analysis on how runes and new items are distorting the power balance in LOL. I'm tired of these useless threads which claim X champ is OP Y champ is UP, while completely ignoring the underlying problem.

Jamaree8 votes

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Know what fucking gets me? Jax was sht not too long ago. People were even begging for buffs for him.

Riot changed nothing. The Champ wasn't touched.

Now suddenly he's OP? JAX hasn't changed from when he was underpowered. The environment changed. Yes, he's strong now, but the problem isn't his numbers it's the new runes/items which are fking everything up.

Honestly, I'd like to see someone put up a well-thought-out analysis on how runes and new items are distorting the power balance in LOL. I'm tired of these useless threads which claim X champ is OP Y champ is UP, while completely ignoring the underlying problem.

You won't get that here, these are the forums, it is all blind QQ circlejerk, everything is shit bar none until it sees play and when it does people act like they knew all along, it has been like this since beta.

Moody P1 votes

jax wasn't shit at any point this season, lol. he was actually one of the better fighters in preseason pre-conqueror

GayFluffyUnicorn4 votes

He was absolutely fuckin dogshit what are u on about? There was nothing jax could do about comet poke spam which is his biggest weakness because he lacks the meanings to farm safely from range and he has no sustain.

Moody P3 votes

which is why he became a jungler and did just fine with PTA when other fighters dropped to 46% win rate and lost half their playerbase lol

You're right tho he was trash lol

LordGeovanni1 votes

having to move to the jungle out of top lane is one of the top signs of being trash because you auto lose if you take champion damage you have to completely avoid champion interaction and try to fight mobs where you get self healing and can use your anti auto attack + stun reliably to ignore damage. and even then you would get low health jungleing until you got a real lifesteal item

Moody P2 votes

it's a sign of adaptability and other (actually weak) top laners didn't have the good fortune of being able to flex into jungle

Thefrostyviking8 votes

I am kinda fine with jax being a powerful duelist later on, but you are right, true damage is way too powerful for something that is obtainable early and jax uses it extremely well too.

The combo of having pretty short cooldowns all around later on also does make him pretty frustrating, at max rank with max CDR his E only has like 4,5 seconds downtime......this is kinda ridiculous given how powerful the ability is.

It needs like.....6 seconds at the very least, because as long as his Q CD also remains short then its truly too much.

After3perma3 votes

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I am kinda fine with jax being a powerful duelist later on, but you are right, true damage is way too powerful for something that is obtainable early and jax uses it extremely well too.

It is all fucking Conquerors fault because they made it too easy to be able to charge up and proc the rune for so many easy benefits, while old Fervor you needed to attack champions.

The combo of having pretty short cooldowns all around later on also does make him pretty frustrating, at max rank with max CDR his E only has like 4,5 seconds downtime......this is kinda ridiculous given how powerful the ability is.

Either his E cooldown needs increased or the cooldown needs to start after E is finished. You take Jax E cooldown then minus 2 seconds to it that is the proper cooldown.

It needs like.....6 seconds at the very least, because as long as his Q CD also remains short then its truly too much.

It needs the same cooldown as Camille's E. Jax Q Rank 1 cooldown is the same as Camille E Rank 5 cooldown, while Jax Q is point and click while Camille's E is skillshot with higher mana cost.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

And conq is so op literally noone takes it except jax. Or in tank matchups, yeah.

Thefrostyviking4 votes

Oh my how peculiar.

I coulda sworn that there were some other fellows (Irelia Fiora Yasuo Renekton Riven Darius Kled Tryndamere Olaf ) aside from Jax whom also have a vast majority of their players use conqueror as the keystone.

Was it my imagination?

"Edit", Renekton truly was my imagination, PtA is currently the main one but conq is still often picked. "End of edit." "

Acrilyk36 votes

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Oh my how peculiar.

I coulda sworn that there were some other fellows (Irelia Fiora Yasuo Renekton Riven Darius Kled Tryndamere Olaf ) aside from Jax whom also have a vast majority of their players use conqueror as the keystone.

Was it my imagination?

Fiora grasp. Renekton PTA. Riven even aftershock at this point but maybe conquer, Olaf grasp. And the other conqueror users arent even bruisers except Irelia and Darius(kled but he is rarer than a double rainbow)

After3perma2 votes

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Fiora grasp. Renekton PTA. Riven even aftershock at this point but maybe conquer, Olaf grasp. And the other conqueror users arent even bruisers except Irelia and Darius(kled but he is rarer than a double rainbow)

Just because you decide to take these runes on these champions doesn’t mean every time someone picks these champs they have to go that rune.

Many Fioras, Renektons go Conq. Olaf never goes grasp because it’s weak plus Conqueror is the new keystone most top Olaf’s go after Comet being so weak.

Acrilyk31 votes

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Just because you decide to take these runes on these champions doesn’t mean every time someone picks these champs they have to go that rune.

Many Fioras, Renektons go Conq. Olaf never goes grasp because it’s weak plus Conqueror is the new keystone most top Olaf’s go after Comet being so weak.

How is grasp weak? It's conqueror for tanks but instead of true damage they get magic damage scaling with defense, which is highly spammable and since Olaf has built in true damage and if he takes ghost I legit see no downside.

Thefrostyviking3 votes

Fiora lolalytics puts the conq usage at 67%+ of games in diamond+ and grasp at around 22%.

Renekton Renekton uses PtA mainly in 65% of games but he also uses conq in 32% of games.

I edited my first comment to reflect on this matter.

Riven Uses conq in 51% of games and unsealed spellbook in 31%.

Olaf Olaf top uses conq in 70% of games

And for toplane : https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/grid/

Its true that Kled´s pickrate is comparatively low, but he does exist at least if compared to say Olaf, J4 or mundo.

AirKingNeo1 votes

I coulda sworn ALLL OF THOSE except Irelia AREN'T PLAYED AT A COMPETITIVE LEVEL.

After3perma2 votes

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I coulda sworn ALLL OF THOSE except Irelia AREN'T PLAYED AT A COMPETITIVE LEVEL.

Kled, Darius, Yasuo and Fiora ain’t picked competitively? Just because they ain’t high tier doesn’t mean they can’t be picked. Plus Yasuo gets banned frequently in Worlds.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

The only toplaners played to any greater extent are Urgot, Sion, Ornn, Aatrox, shen, poppy and camilie.

I am pretty sure nothing else is really picked more than 2-3 games.

All these are either pretty dang broken or they offer something great for teamplay that the pro´s can use.

LordGeovanni1 votes

No Conq is actually op and bad design as is true damage in general. I can accept it on Ignite as long as riot isnt buffing the cooldown or amount of damage I can even accept it on the cheap shot rune even if the rune had no cooldown because its a personal true damage activation and required hard cc to activate. Like wise % damage increase while not the same as true damage does have the same function as true damage and in most places in the game is unbalanced too. % hp damage not having the same application or function of the previous 2 does have the same reasoning as true damage and is generally too high on most sources in the game.

AggressiveWolf8 votes

I perma ban this cancer in my games

SaurabhKanhere1 votes

He is the one of the only few cool champs remain, so far as calling him a "cancer". Then , there is a list of 70+ cringe champs mf caitlyn illoi ahri pyke soraka kaisa riven etc, who are the exact definitions of cancer themselves. "cancer" learn where to apply

ReWeebdown7 votes

As a long time Hashinshin Fan i gotta say you are just wrong.

No foreal pls jsut nerf Jax already he is way too strong. I know he is supposed to be a late game monster but its simply not fair that he can literally 1v5 a team with a decent tank, a cc support and assassin. And our ad carry cant do anything cuz his aa just get dodged and then jax jumps on him and clubs down my team one by one. What a nice champ. Thank you riot.

TheMightyLamp14 votes

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As a long time Hashinshin Fan i gotta say you are just wrong.

No foreal pls jsut nerf Jax already he is way too strong. I know he is supposed to be a late game monster but its simply not fair that he can literally 1v5 a team with a decent tank, a cc support and assassin mid. And our ad carry cant do anything cuz his aa just get dodged and then jax jumps on him and clubs down my team one by one. What a nice champ. Thank you riot.

how is he wrong? you both have the same point...

ReWeebdown1 votes

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how is he wrong? you both have the same point...

I was being sarcastic in the first point... I'm neither a hashinshin fan, nor do I believe Jax is balanced

After3perma6 votes

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No foreal pls jsut nerf Jax already he is way too strong. I know he is supposed to be a late game monster but its simply not fair that he can literally 1v5 a team with a decent tank, a cc support and assassin. And our ad carry cant do anything cuz his aa just get dodged and then jax jumps on him and clubs down my team one by one. What a nice champ. Thank you riot.

I've seen Jax's outtrade early game champions like Renekton at level 3. I take Conqueror on Renekton vs Conqueror Jax and he wins the trades all because his bullshit E blocks my stun, while Q'ing at the same time and auto attacking me while E is up so I can't retaliate back with anything because E also has Aoe reduction 25% all ranks.

U R Good At Game2 votes

I just want to ask, are you new? As a gator main with a 61% win rate on him that is just false. Even in your explanation there are clear flaws.

  1. You don't W or AA into his stun (you admitted you did)

  2. You don't use any attack abilities during his E and use your double dash to dodge the stun and come back in after. (Again you admit to trying to use aoe moves during his e).

  3. You only trade with 1 rage bar and conqueror up.

  4. You freeze lane at level 2 to deny xp and hit level 3 first an all in w/ ignite.

I have played that match-up dozens of times and it's just not a hard one unless you don't end the game by 30m. This is why top lane duelers and skirmishers in general have low win rates is because people lose lanes they aren't supposed to lose and then are mad when the enemy is fed. Like no offense but if you lose lane to jax as renekton you deserve to lose the game. There just isn't a reason.

AirKingNeo1 votes

I've seen Jax's outtrade early game champions like Renekton at level 3.

you mean Renekting fighting within your entire minion wave?

After3perma1 votes

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you mean Renekting fighting within your entire minion wave?

Just like a 1v1 fight near the river away from minions. Jax beats Renekton.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Jax does not beat renekton.

demoted to iron1 votes

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I've seen Jax's outtrade early game champions like Renekton at level 3. I take Conqueror on Renekton vs Conqueror Jax and he wins the trades all because his bullshit E blocks my stun, while Q'ing at the same time and auto attacking me while E is up so I can't retaliate back with anything because E also has Aoe reduction 25% all ranks.

Renekton top, lvl 6, 1/3hp. Jax lvl 5 oneshots Renekton through his ult.

Death by Glamour6 votes

the boards

everyone was bitching about how weak bruisers/strong tanks, low and behold riot knee jerked and look what happened

lil koda18 votes

bitching about a certain class being too weak, doesnt mean people want that same class hilariously overpowered, there is actually a middle ground believe it or not.

melior sum6 votes

One of the larger issues is Jax being able to go Triforce into Essence Reaver then build full tank.

GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

If jax builds like this congratz u just got free lp?

Queš5 votes

Daily silver expert Jax hate thread.Except Jax's Q is his only mobility tool unlike Camille who can control enemies at range,has 2 part dash with cc + steroid on it and another dash with invulnerabiliy frames and non-escapable zone.His dodge is his iconic ability too and suddenly it became so problematic,nice dude.Blame early game runes like tonic warp so he can abuse ppl early game and then scale up.

GayFluffyUnicorn7 votes

Yeh not even comparable those two abilities. Camille E goes over half the screen, stuns AND gives an AS steroid.

Thin Air3 votes

Her teamfighting is also a lot better, which is why she's being picked a lot as a jungler. I don't know how people say he's a good teamfighter. His teamfighting is TERRIBLE until he gets max rank on E, and he maxes E last.

Verxint5 votes

Camille's has a built in cc and attack speed boost, can close over double the distance, and can hop over walls without a target. Why are you comparing it to Jax's Q?

Morgana Excel5 votes

I'll never understand bads. The champion has been basically the same since season 1. Suddenly he's overpowered and wtf broken. Jesus. Just get good at the game and stop crying.

Jamaree4 votes

Why are you trying to trade with Jax level one knowing he has his stun up?

daddyslìlmonster4 votes

Few matchups that jax wins easily. A lot of champions can stomp him early if you actually learn to lane matchups you’ll come find how hard he can be abused. Seems like you just got shit on without respecting the enemy top laner and came here to rant about it. If you think jax is bad clearly you haven’t faced a good irrlia

Thin Air3 votes

I came to comment on this, as a Jax one trick (basically) there are a lot of matchups that Jax actually struggles with really hard in lane, and it usually snowballs to being really bad for him really fast.

HA I am Shaco HA3 votes

The difference between Jax Q and Camille E is: Jax HAS to have a target in order to use it/ Camille just needs a wall that she can go over. Jax Q doesn't stun you/ Camille E stuns you Jax Q doesn't have insane range/ Camille E hits you from Jamaica

and Camille can also do an E+Flash, im also sure Camille E is aoe.

coreychichi3 votes

Comparing Jax q to Camille e. Lol. People actually upvoting this garbage.

Noor Sakata2 votes

Funny thing I started playing in season 7 and always thought of Jax as " OP " and hated him even at the beginning of Season 8 had some arguments when I said Jax is strong , believe or not I was downvoted and the ones who replied " Jax is weak and needs buffs " got the upvotes

BugsLivesMatters1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Noor Sakata,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lKaHgklH,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-10-15T16:26:37.191+0000)

Funny thing I started playing in season 7 and always thought of Jax as " OP " and hated him even at the beginning of Season 8 had some arguments when I said Jax is strong , believe or not I was downvoted and the ones who replied " Jax is weak and needs buffs " got the upvotes

That was nearly a year ago and was before conqueror was a thing though.

Jax has always been one of those champs people hate. His counterstrike ability ironically feels uncounterable to a lot of people.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Because he stomps noobs the hardest like must bruisers do. You don't respect them you die. Welcome to low elo.

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