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lol holy fuck dudes, these Cait and Janna changes

Mens Hair Club·9/13/2017, 7:55:56 PM·4 votes·1,219 views

Caitlyn

HP per level increased form 80 to 85
#Base HP lowered from 524.4 to 450
Attack speed per level increased from 2 to 4
Base HP regen lowered from 1.1348 to 1.13
Piltover Peacemaker (Q)
    !
Yordle Snap Trap (W)
    !

Janna

Base AD lowered from 51.956 to 49
HP per level lowered from 78 to 70
Base HP increased from 487.04 to 500
Attack range increased from 475 to 550

#** Base movespeed lowered from 335 to 320** AD per level lowered from 2.95 to 2

Tailwind (Passive)
    Movement speed lowered from 8% to 5%
    [New Effect] Additionally, Janna's basic attacks deal bonus magic damage equal to 35% of her bonus Movement Speed.

Howling Gale (Q)
    mana cost lowered from 90/105/120/135/150 to 60/80/100/120/140
    cooldown changed from 14/13/12/11/10 to 12 at all ranks
    [added to tooltip] "Howling Gale always reaches it's destination in 1.5 seconds."

Zephyr (W)
    Range lowered from 600 to 550
    Cooldown increased from 12 at all ranks to 15.5/14/12.5/11/9.5
    Bonus movement speed lowered from 9/11/13/15/17 to 5/8/11/14/17

Eye of the Storm (E)
    Cooldoown changed from 10 at all ranks to 18/16/14/12/10

I've got some questions here.

A) Why is Cait getting such a heavy-handed base HP nerf

and B) How does this Janna change (nerfs aren't unwelcome tbh) add more skill to her?

15 Comments

Dehitay9/13/2017, 8:05:27 PM2 votes

Are you implying that Cait got nerfed by focusing on the base health nerf. Cause the most important number out of what you listed is definitely the attack speed growth being brought back to what it was. This is definitely a buff for Caitlyn. I hope Riot wakes up and realizes the problem is the stupid snap trap system. Zoning is strategical and all, but being able to block off the entire lane indefinitely is stupid. Just going back to old 3 max traps would be such a simple solution.

Ahristocats9/13/2017, 8:02:57 PM2 votes

Cait laning phase is being nerfed her late game is being reverted to when she was broken

riot realised that nerfing the late game of a hypercarry doesn't make a single fcking sense

first good change i didn't see since MONTHS, i don't remember feeling joy when i read patch notes on pbe

Penns9/13/2017, 8:05:39 PM2 votes

seems like the same direction as gnar, if you get on her bully azz, you shud be able to fite her.

jwebb01139/13/2017, 7:57:33 PM1 votes

cuz cait is still broken apparently

Caitlyn has a win rate 45.75% for Platinum+ players https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Caitlyn/

Mens Hair Club9/13/2017, 8:29:24 PM1 votes

The rest of the Caitlyn changes

Piltover Peacemaker (Q) damage to targets beyond first lowered from 50% less to 33% less.

Yordle Snap Trap (W)
    Mana cost increased from 20 at all ranks to 30 at all ranks
    Headshot damage increase increased from 10/55/100/145/190 to 40/90/140/190/240
    Bonus AD changed from 60% to 40/55/70/85/100%
    Trap ground duration lowered from 90 seconds to 30/40/50/60/70 seconds

that trap damage LOL

Sohleks9/13/2017, 8:01:15 PM1 votes

I hope they aren't actually gonna make her broken again just because "just cheese her in lane xd"

I mean they are literally making her base hp less than Lux Sona and Anivia. The lowest in the game (except Kled). It seems hamfisted

Muh base hp is the next meme

dreadnoughtus019/13/2017, 8:06:02 PM1 votes

I don't see much more skill expression in Janna's kit with these changes. It seems they've just shifted her power further into mid/lategame then anything.

The only one I can see which encourages skill expression (a tiny bit) is the E nerf. She won't be able to spam it as often early game or until she reaches midgame/40%cdr, so it might make player think a bit more about when they should cast E. Maybe W needing to get into aa range?

Her new passive is sort of interesting. Bonus aa dmg scaling with ms. Lich bane Janna? lol