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@Riot.. I want Zyra back

Teslyn·6/21/2018, 4:20:56 PM·4 votes·2,288 views

I want the 'close to' end of season 6 Zyra back.

For 2 years i complained about how horrible her plant AI was. You finally fixed it in S6.. Then shortly later reverted it... That minor adjustment pushed me from a Plat 2-3 player into the short time it was available to a Diamond 4-5 player.

Soon i am coming back to the states to the ping of 30 that i miss. Currently my ping is 220 - 380 (with spikes maxing out at 1800) is barely playable and it has been this way for a year.

I cant play zyra out here. She requires more responsiveness... i have started using less punishable champion instead.

With that being said. I am coming home.... its been over a year... Things that need to be addressed so she is the champion that i left so long ago...

  1. Her plants.. Their health is a joke getting 1 shotted by melee.. / 2 shotted by range... Their AI.... notice to achieve anything relative to what i want them to do it requires an over exaggeration now.

  2. Her damage... is too low... (I want Lux's 1 shotting ability) You and i both know what her damage was like when she was released. Greater than half that raw/scaling damage has been gutted From her.. Trimming some off was good.. it made her a less desirable pick and i could play her more often without being contested. I am going to ask this as if we are in a bathroom together and i Know you are holding.. Just a little bump.. that is all she needs.. i want a champion that can be one tricked into challenger. She seems to top out around D1 with some people who are better at this game than i.

  3. Her CC... Her snare is a joke... we all know that. Just a little bump is all i am asking.. just a 0.5 sec to 1 sec bump on the duration.

13 Comments

Vekkna6/21/2018, 7:43:00 PM3 votes

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I want the 'close to' end of season 6 Zyra back.

For 2 years i complained about how horrible her plant AI was. You finally fixed it in S6.. Then shortly later reverted it... That minor adjustment pushed me from a Plat 2-3 player into the short time it was available to a Diamond 4-5 player.

Plants prioritizing in-range champs was absolutely toxic in season 6 with the number of seeds vomited out by her passive. It wasn't fair at all, although I too enjoyed riding the freelo gravy train.

With that said, they swung too far the other way with the subsequent nerf to plants prioritizing champs for their first attack. That little amount of consistency was pretty significant for securing kills without being cucked by random minions/scuttles walking into the frame. I think the old AI would be acceptable for W plants because she needs a baseline of consistency if an ability slot is dedicated to seeds. If the RNG cancer passive has to stay around, there isn't any way to justify the old AI on passive plants.

Not that it matters because it's not coming back. 0% chance.

  1. Her plants.. Their health is a joke getting 1 shotted by melee.. / 2 shotted by range... Their AI.... notice to achieve anything relative to what i want them to do it requires an over exaggeration now.

Plant health is a joke. A bigger joke is Riot taking seven fucking months (and counting) to fix it.

  1. Her damage... is too low... (I want Lux's 1 shotting ability) You and i both know what her damage was like when she was released. Greater than half that raw/scaling damage has been gutted From her.. Trimming some off was good.. it made her a less desirable pick and i could play her more often without being contested.

It's not too low. It is, at various stages, too delayed/backloaded, too inconsistent, and too reliant on mpen rather than AP.

But it isn't too low. Zyra should have a weaker or less reliable burst pattern if she has strong dps (which is rare for a mage). The problem right now is that she's making that trade-off up front, but the dps portion of her damage is a crap shoot because of plant health. One of those things needs to be changed.

  1. Her CC... Her snare is a joke... we all know that. Just a little bump is all i am asking.. just a 0.5 sec to 1 sec bump on the duration.

Her snare is fine now. If they buffed the duration, it would probably need additional rebalancing (eg faster speed, longer snare, and instant cast, but only snares first target hit).

GodlyBane6/21/2018, 6:48:06 PM2 votes

but zyra can still one shot me

GodlyBane6/21/2018, 7:23:13 PM2 votes

there are no challenger nasus btw, should they give a bump to nas? NO. Its the same with zyra, shes stupidly OP rn. just accept AP zyra one shots

5050BS6/21/2018, 7:09:54 PM1 votes

Plant HP fix

Plats spawn with 24 hps and lose 8hp per second for 2s. Ulted plants have 48 hps to start.

This way they will die to one Melee Auto attack but only after being alive for 2s. Ulted plants take 4 melee auto attacks to kill and will be alive for at least 2s

Yes they fixed Zyra plant AI in season 6 and it was great. The Support change that nurfed plants first targeted auto attack was NOT needed at all and should be reverted.

The added .25s root on E needs to be .75. Roots are not as powerful as Knockup and currently there are a TON of knockups that are AOE that are not being addressed.

Her Q needs to be a Oval or a Diamond shape with the Point always away from Zyra.

Her Q and E needs to have better AP% and her Plant damage needs to be tied to her W lvls.

Daddy Ants6/21/2018, 8:56:48 PM1 votes

Zyra's damage is NOT TOO LOW.

Not even close.