Whats with all of this Zoe hate?

AMADEUSdotEXE·Jul 15, 2018·7 votes·2,160 views

She's fun... shes got counterplay too i dont see the issue? Keep seeing stuff about nerfing her, her matchups arent all that great and she doesnt bring much to a team besides situational burst. also

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InfernapeJul 15, 20186 votes

Blitz syndrome. You can be the worst Zoe in the world, but eventually you will land one max range Q that will either oneshot someone or take them out of the fight.

KagureNaiJul 15, 20184 votes

So people downvoting this thread are the ones that hate Zoe?

Zoe is a pain to play against, espescially if your midlaner is brainless and doesn't get how to play against her... Zoe is at least hated as much as Teemo is. Or maybe she became the new Teemo.

Whatever. Every champion has their counterplay. Pick Kassadin. Boom, bye Zoe.

LeyruhJul 15, 20183 votes

She's the infamous "one-shotting" champion. Her damage is really high, even early game. Her E is the thing everyone hates the most, since if you're hit by it, there's a 90% chance you'll die.

However, I think a lot of people don't realize that she only has her Q and her E. Her W is nice if you can pick up spells and gives movement speed, her R allows you to extend your AA range and Q range, dodge ( if you time it well ), but that's all.

Her damage comes only from her Q and E. She misses them both, she's useless. She's chased and misses her E? She's dead.

I mean, if some people want to see how bad Zoe can be if you miss your Q and your E, they can watch Redmercy's last video. Since he rarely landed an E, he couldn't help as much as he could have if he landed everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezH4XzFneWM&t=923s

wildfox99Jul 15, 20182 votes

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpicyFlirtyEyeballPeoplesChamp

nothing else to say,tryed myself she can do it so easily when you get item 3100

note : she didn't even built it

LeyruhJul 15, 20181 votes

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https://clips.twitch.tv/SpicyFlirtyEyeballPeoplesChamp

nothing else to say,tryed myself she can do it so easily when you get

note : she didn't even built it

Wait wait- what did I just watch?

So she uses W through her Protobelt, which activates the 3 missiles. She AA with More Sparkles through Yasuo's Windwall. ( perhaps she AA before the Windwall )

She Ignites him and he takes Aery damage. Ignite activates W again. Yasuo Zhonya's, but gets killed by her W Smite.

Ok this is ridiculous. :D

wildfox99Jul 15, 20182 votes

protobelt didn't even hit him,so she could do it with her 2 base summoner spells (or with any summoner/item in her W)

a zoe with item 3285 + item 3191 killed a yasuo with just her passive and W missing everything else,and i guess you know that her E/Q are that strong because her damage is supposed to come only from here

she can oneshot from the fog of war,but if you somehow get near her without getting deleted and you dodge everything she can still kill you so easily (as i said,wonder if she had a item 3100 or if she would hit the protoblet)

it's pointless fighting her (anyway almost every champion will just get an E in their face if they try)

you have a bann,use it [slayer-jinx-unamused]

saltranJul 15, 20183 votes

She cancer

OurLestradeJul 15, 20182 votes

Her combo is very frustrating to deal with.

AMADEUSdotEXEJul 15, 20183 votes

Stand behind minions... and ward your jungle...?

AR URFJul 15, 20181 votes

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Stand behind minions... and ward your jungle...?

There's a aoe type damage to her q. If she hits a minion right infront of you and you're close enough it will still do damage to you. Honestly though I don't' see how she's any worse than Diana in that regard.

BLIGHTBRINGERJul 15, 20181 votes

She can Q the wave and then R + E followed up with her already available Q.

AMADEUSdotEXEJul 16, 20181 votes

You should really try Zed .... She realy isn;t that bad her wave clear isn't all that great eiither and the mana changes certainly didnt help that. I tend to bait her as Talon with item 3140 or summoner 1

SwiftKitten88Jul 16, 20181 votes

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Stand behind minions... and ward your jungle...?

... staning behind minions only works when: A: the skillshot cant come from any angle B. the skillshot isnt aoe

Zoe can easilly cast the paddle to the side to avoid the minions

AMADEUSdotEXEJul 16, 20183 votes

What you'r basically asking for is to remove her theme as a trickster type of champion? That's WHY her Q can come from so many directions, she's supposed to be misleading.

SwiftKitten88Jul 16, 20182 votes

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What you'r basically asking for is to remove her theme as a trickster type of champion? That's WHY her Q can come from so many directions, she's supposed to be misleading.

what im saying is don't come up with bullshit excuses as to why she has "counterplay" when your you admit own counterplay example doesn't actually work...

Packun FlowerJul 15, 20182 votes

Shes already been nerfed multiple times but its never going to be enough, people just dont like being one-shot yet in the current state of the game EVERYONE one-shots.

Honestly, i think she's fine. Shes been hit so many nerfs she actually doesn't even one shot now unless she's way ahead. yet people will still complain.

wildfox99Jul 15, 20182 votes

theoretically if you'd dodge one of her skillshots she'd be a free kill,but her CDs are so low (especially in her Q) and she have so much tools that make her kit so forgiving

just for making some examples :

she just missed her E? > dw it will zone your enemy even if you missed it
someone engage you when you just missed your Q? > throw an E point blank in their face,the CC is long enough for waiting for another Q
Q R Q (she miss) AA and she still outrade you because you don't have a chance to fight back (not everyone play hyper mobile champions with spammable dash)
they want to fight you,too bad they can't use any summoner spell/item active because she's going to use them against you on top of free movement speed burst and damage
and if for some reason you were able to trade her hope she doesn't pick heal/redemption from her slot machine when she kills a minion (or when she picks for free damage,damn how i hate it)

this champion is like yasuo,his opponents rely more on the player mistakes than a real counterplay

also her VO,i wish i could mute a champion at this point

hi ìm grootJul 15, 20181 votes

I find her less annoying specifically now, not because anything's changed about her, but because now there's many more people who can one shot you the second you see them. But believe it or not it is not always practice to have everything warded, or to always be standing behind your minions. Sometimes you have to leave lanes, and in those cases if her E hits you, the only "counterplay" is either a long duration summoner that hopefully you brought because she's forced you to (cleanse), or to pray to god someone on your team plays secret service agent for you. Otherwise you're one shot, unless your a tank or she's behind, thats pretty much a guarantee. And she's gonna one shot you, without having used any long CD's, so even if her attempt fails, she can just reposition and try again. With her E's ability to travel terrain, her threat range is huge, and it hardly feels like you were outplayed just because you took one skillshot that led to her having 2 seconds to line up the rest of her kit. Nidalee was actually nerfed because her Q's back in the day could ALMOST one shot people, and people found that annoying. Somewhere along the way being one shot by a non-fed carry just became acceptable and people started to become numb to it.