Have you ever actually lost a lane,game, or duel to Tyrnd or Yi

AMADEUSdotEXE·Oct 24, 2018·18 votes·8,600 views

And not been annoyed, irritated, felt cheated, stat checked or salty in one way or another? I can't think of a single game I've said "oh sick tryndamere is going to afk split push mid to late and we can't send 1 person to sop him because of how good his dueling power is even when not completely ahead. I've never said oh wow i can't believe yi cleaned upp that fight after spending 20 minutes afk farming an becoming a monstr because items. Oh cool trynd beat our top/jg lvl 1-3. because he's like the only champion that can crit that often early game. I feel like that was not just dumb luck.

Horrible design. Uninspired. Irritating to play against. Low skill cap. etc. Salt.

30 Comments

Baby GhoulOct 24, 201810 votes

Everyone feels that way.

Even Yi and Tryndamere players. They just won't admit it.

cheex919Oct 24, 20186 votes

alright, im here! so heres the thing about yi. he's good if you make him good. what i mean is, dont offer food to him, his early jg can easily be out dueled, invade him while he's taking his red or something. yea i hate yi, but i also play him because he's good. he can shred ANY tanks, and do 100 true damage per hit, excluding conquer, and can build tank with titanic hydra and bloodrazor and still win any duels and 1v3. storm razor allows him to one hit you, and crit or essense reaver can be a bit annoying. but you're forgetting one thing... ALL CHAMPS CAN DO THIS CRAP TOO. kass can one shot any squishy with one R Q and his R is spammable, yasuo has true crit damage now with the new IE, amumu literally makes it so that you're unable to move while doing TRUE MAGIC DAMAGE. stop complaining about fking yi, because it's getting annoying. any fed champion is able to do what yi does + cc. hell, i get it, he's 0-20-1 then gets 2 kills, then snowballs into 80-21-40, and wins the game who tf cares, all champs can do that, just harder to do it because they dont have an alpha strike. have you ever seen a stacked veigar that actually built tank and gunblade? or how about a nasus that built lifesteal and 5 warmogs? huh? whats that? you haven't? well get a clue! Yi is probably the most balanced champ in the game right now, because almost every time synergies with him and actually works with him. need AP? nashor + bloodrazor + wits end + rage blade. shred tanks, you know the build already. tank? any tank item with cinders or bloodrazor and titanic hydra. like literally, in my opinion, people hate him because people told that people to hate him. people say he's strong and that he's broken. people will start to hate him too, even if they've never encountered a good yi before.

and tryn? well, people dont complain about kayle do they? just learn how to counter him, he has no range, his dash has a 3 second cooldown, get a teemo on your team, idgaf how, but almost every range, cc, or slow can cripple tryn, unless all of you guys cant land your fking skill shots, even if they're point and click(i somehow missed my wukong flash dash ult, i know, horrifying). like, come on, it's just a game, have fun with it, dont complain and hate on it.

LoL is currently going through a state of what i like to call Tug of War Chaos mode. does riot want to make LoL more orientated on Esports? does riot want to listen 50% of the league community and nerf irelia or listen to the other 50% and buff irelia? it's because League is so popular that riot needs a bigger team and more time.

TL:DR STFU about yi, he's the most balanced champ besides xayah

AXayahAccountOct 25, 20181 votes

Wait, you think Xayah is super balanced, or was that sarcasm? If not, I agree, Xayah is extremely balanced and well designed.

Cloud273Oct 24, 20183 votes

Master Yi is pretty balanced. He can actually be burst down very easily if he jumps into your backline. Tryndamere can dash into 5 enemies, crit everyone to death and still make it out alive. Complete cancer champ.

Need Gold 4 TentOct 24, 20181 votes

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Master Yi is pretty balanced. He can actually be burst down very easily if he jumps into your backline. Tryndamere can dash into 5 enemies, crit everyone to death and still make it out alive. Complete cancer champ.

But Trynd is more susceptible to kiting than Yi is. And it might not seem so because both of them do a shit ton of damage, but Yi does have substantially higher raw damage than Trynd, although applying that damage is a different story because he does not have Trynd's ult.

But that's what they're good at. Their teamfighting is shit.

AMADEUSdotEXEOct 24, 20182 votes

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But Trynd is more susceptible to kiting than Yi is. And it might not seem so because both of them do a shit ton of damage, but Yi does have substantially higher raw damage than Trynd, although applying that damage is a different story because he does not have Trynd's ult.

But that's what they're good at. Their teamfighting is shit.

I'm not talking about team fighting. And any smart trynd playr that isn't obscenely fed insn't going to be team fighting unless they know its worth the gold. All decent+ tryndamere players have the same playstyle. Split push>run away try to kill them. Rinse and repeat. What part of that is something you aren't annoyed playing against? You send 2 top and now histeam has a numbers advantage and can rotate,

Hayaishi2Oct 24, 20188 votes

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Master Yi is pretty balanced. He can actually be burst down very easily if he jumps into your backline. Tryndamere can dash into 5 enemies, crit everyone to death and still make it out alive. Complete cancer champ.

So balanced he kills you in 2 seconds because he completed item 1419

ez mental boomOct 24, 20181 votes

He doesn't do that. He melts you when he has guinsoo and it's stacked up

ThefrostyvikingOct 24, 20181 votes

Acually later he just has so much attackspeed that he instantly gets it stacked up and ready before melting anything, partially due to his passive.

Played shyv, had over 3k health and 150 armor.

Got demolished by yi alone in 3 seconds when he had no stacks, he did 1,4 k true damage and the rest in normally physical in that timespan.

I mean sure i almost killed him too, but the difference was, he had no defenses at all aside from a GA+maw and he still ended up killing my sorry ass first.

Having to stack guinsoo´s first is a very useless limitation when its possible to instantly do so because he only needs 3 stacks then the next will instantly max it out, thats a real thing to compensate for "melee difficulties" vs "ranged privilege".

As if melee has any difficulties running at 500 MS, blinking around with more attackspeed and far more true damage than any marksman ._.

SEKAIOct 24, 20181 votes

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So balanced he kills you in 2 seconds because he completed

That is the same for every other champs that does AA super fast in this game, because they all build the same item, use the same AA, and rely on it to do damage. If there has to be broken OP, it would be the item, not Yi himself. Not to mention Bloodrazor alone is not even that good, it's pairing with Guinsoo's that's the problem, and that's exclusively the problem of the items, NOT Yi, and neither is he the biggest abuser of those items anyway.

This reminds me of the situation back with the Feral Flare where everyone and their mother was complaining about Feral Flare as if that's the problem of Yi instead of the clearly broken item. And even funnier, Yi was not even near being the biggest abuser of the item as it was Nocturne and Udyr and whatnot, who comically went by the time relatively unscathed from the backlash because people don't know shit.

Yi is just the biggest scapegoat in this game. It must really suck to be him. People has just developed the habit of complaining about Yi, and it's really just that.

..........

Yi is not even statistically broken even with his items in the picture anyway, there is a reason why his win rate is 50-51% in most elos with a W/Rso bad in Diamond it approaches 42% win rate.

Now compare this to someone who uses the same core jungle item like Shyvana.. oh what's that, Shyvana has a clearly superior W/R curve compared to Yi where her Bronze win rate can approach 56% win rate, mid rate elo sticks at somewhere around 50% just like Yi, and even in the lowest point in Diamond still at least has 47% win rate? And last time I checked, people consider Shyvana to be a very weak pick.

So what's the problem with Yi again?

If there is any reason to hate Yi, it's that he rubs more salt when he wins; it does NOT mean he wins more games, because as we can see that his actual performance is subpar at best, it is just that he makes you feel worse when he wins. Yi is a BACK-LOADED champion, meaning his power is only given to him when he's already won the god damn game without it; this leads to him owning harder if he happens to win but only serves as a handicap for any match that's not a landslide in his favour from the very beginning. It's the matter of the feel as the game ends, which means nothing, as the champ is objectively subpar and it's just a matter of whether or not you want to accept that.

And if you have to cry about Yi just because he wins, do also know that it works BOTH ways, as losing as Yi is just as BS because quite literally he loses a SIGNIFICANT portion of his power budget just because he's not winning the game. Imagine if Ornn somehow having no access to his ulti just because he's not winning the game and loses the match because of it, now that is what it feels like on Yi in a losing match.

Yi is like "teabagging" in FPS games. It only makes it salty when he wins, but it doesn't actually win any more games (besides you running the risk of getting sniped if you run to get your teabag); and teabagging is a choice in FPS games, meanwhile Yi's entire gameplay is forced onto him. And THAT is NOT any indication of imbalance, not at all, you would not call a player in FPS games "cheating" where they have a compulsory need to go and teabag every opponent they defeat, so why would you call Yi OP?

Cloud273Oct 24, 20181 votes

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So balanced he kills you in 2 seconds because he completed

Master Yi doesn't kill people in 2 seconds unless he's INSANELY fed. Stop spewing this nonsense. Also Master Yi has ZERO crowd control. Damage is literally all he has. You wanna fight a jungler who's actually stupid? Try fighting a Kayn who just presses 'r' and does tons of damage to everyone (even tanks).

General MattyOct 24, 20181 votes

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Master Yi doesn't kill people in 2 seconds unless he's INSANELY fed. Stop spewing this nonsense. Also Master Yi has ZERO crowd control. Damage is literally all he has. You wanna fight a jungler who's actually stupid? Try fighting a Kayn who just presses 'r' and does tons of damage to everyone (even tanks) I thought Karthus was the one who did that D:

Cloud273Oct 24, 20181 votes

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I thought Karthus was the one who did that D:

When I said everyone what I meant was he'll do tons of damage to everyone (regardless of who he ults).

General MattyOct 25, 20181 votes

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When I said everyone what I meant was he'll do tons of damage to everyone (regardless of who he ults).

Yeah i know what you meant i was joking around. I am a Kayn Mayn

AMADEUSdotEXEOct 24, 20183 votes

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Master Yi is pretty balanced. He can actually be burst down very easily if he jumps into your backline. Tryndamere can dash into 5 enemies, crit everyone to death and still make it out alive. Complete cancer champ.

I could care less whether or not he's balanced. Noone is okay with a champion being able to punish ADCs (im a mi main) for being within jinxes auto range with damn near guaranteed death mid to late. Noone wants to see a melee champion out dpsing a ranged carry designed to do that. Noone wants to see his kill bruisers, non-tanky supports, and marksmen in ls than 2 seconds because he pressed q whilst likeyly dodging any attempts to counter his advance using a basic ability. That isn't fun to see or play against. It isn't interesting. It isn't dynamic or skill expressive.

Need Gold 4 TentOct 24, 20185 votes

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I could care less whether or not he's balanced. Noone is okay with a champion being able to punish ADCs (im a mi main) for being within jinxes auto range with damn near guaranteed death mid to late. Noone wants to see a melee champion out dpsing a ranged carry designed to do that. Noone wants to see his kill bruisers, non-tanky supports, and marksmen in ls than 2 seconds because he pressed q whilst likeyly dodging any attempts to counter his advance using a basic ability. That isn't fun to see or play against. It isn't interesting. It isn't dynamic or skill expressive.

Why is an ADC front-lining to be in range for Yi's Q anyway?
So ranged carries are designed to dps but a champ like Yi who is literally all damage in his kit that has nothing else to offer his team (not even SIEGING because he's melee) is not designed to do damage?
He's a duelist, he outduels nearly anything not Trynd/Jax/Vayne. He is supposed to win 1v1's. You gut those, they'll probably just be replaced with Trundle/Fiora/Yasuo or whoever is slightly lower on the 1v1 tier list in the complaints.
Luck can only get you so far if you aren't outpredicting your opponents for alpha dodging. It happens a lot in low elo because the reaction to a Yi getting in range is to instantly fire off any cc in his way. A low elo Yi not even predicting would get lucky to just dodge because some abilities have a similar range to his Q. He should be predicting a projectile on his part, but his opponent should also be predicting a dodge. That is skill expression.

ThefrostyvikingOct 24, 20181 votes

Yi is absolute BS.

He has the ability to deal 1,3 k + true damage in less than 3 seconds and 1,7 k AD damage in the same timespan when he hits 4-5 items.

Its absolutely bullshit to have so much true damage when you already have great damage normally.

MrFawknSunshineOct 24, 20183 votes

what about kayle ?

dont see fall into this as well?

i guess last game i played vs kayle top and a yi jungle they were bad cuz i went 2-2-16 as maokai vs kayle top with a yi jungle

AMADEUSdotEXEOct 24, 20186 votes

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what about kayle ?

dont see fall into this as well?

i guess last game i played vs kayle top and a yi jungle they were bad cuz i went 2-2-16 as maokai vs kayle top with a yi jungle

The only difference i that kayle needs to be obscenely fed or afk farming for 30 minutes. But she's up next for an update anyways.

DarukongSrOct 24, 20181 votes

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The only difference i that kayle needs to be obscenely fed or afk farming for 30 minutes. But she's up next for an update anyways.

Plus she's not actually mobile which makes abusing a lead or escaping a gank/bad decision far more difficult.

Sp33d Zer0Oct 24, 20181 votes

But tryndamere and yi also fit the criteria of "need all the items" to stat check you to death. You even talk about ark farming 20 minutes in your post

Noor SakataOct 24, 20182 votes

Not horrible designs , just old , outdated

shockprimexOct 24, 20182 votes

We lost to MasterYi because the team is dumb. I've lost many games to a Tryndamere who lost lane but got quadra kills because they won't die and our cc goes to the enemy tank.

ez mental boomOct 24, 20181 votes

Champions that can kite him do well against Trynd. Catch Yi without any Guinsoo stacks and he's also pretty easy to kill

Everybody who complains about him, 100% of the time, just tried to fight him when he already had guinsoo stacked up.

DarukongSrOct 24, 20181 votes

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Champions that can kite him do well against Trynd. Catch Yi without any Guinsoo stacks and he's also pretty easy to kill

Everybody who complains about him, 100% of the time, just tried to fight him when he already had guinsoo stacked up.

Catch you without guinsoo stacks? Don't you mean try to avoid being caught 1v1 or 2v1 at all cost because he will Shrek you after he presses r?

XL BENCH PRESSOct 24, 20181 votes

What's even worse is when you're a fed yi and you duel a 0/5/3 tryndamere at 25 min after he jumps out of a bush. You fight back cuz sure you can beat him. Nope, Ult is BS and he does so much dmg that your meditate does zilch. Oh yeah, also you can't get away unless u have flash.

MarothennanOct 24, 20181 votes

I'm not gonna say Master Yi is broken because I consider him a garbage champion that is only useful when fed. But god damn do I feel outplayed when Master YI flashes and then Qs me and then hits me once and I'm dead

XxDRAGONsAK47xXOct 24, 20181 votes

the thing I hate most against yi is that flashing after his q means nothing. Because he gets an insta auto off no matter what afterwards. q=free auto.

DarukongSrOct 24, 20181 votes

Lol I 100% agree with the OP. They, along with Jax and irelia are completely stupid with conqueror's, and with the exception of irelia (who is still OP), are completely braindead. None of them, besides you, even have weak early games anymore.

TheZacStreetBoysOct 25, 20181 votes

I clapped a Tryndamere with Akali top recently. Her ability to safely poke from her shroud is invaluable against him, when he can only hit you with his spin zoom (which he wouldn't do, as he'd want to save it for engage/disengage.)