Leaver buster is not doing enough to prevent afks rage quits.

AMADEUSdotEXE··33 votes·1,797 views

This is a constant and expected issue in the game.

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Drugoth8 votes

I mean shit, real life is a thing that happens. What do you want Riot to do? Start handing out permabans for leaving?

Even IF Riot was to start cracking down hard and handing out bans to leavers, they will always be there. You can't change that.

AMADEUSdotEXE4 votes

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I mean shit, real life is a thing that happens. What do you want Riot to do? Start handing out permabans for leaving?

Even IF Riot was to start cracking down hard and handing out bans to leavers, they will always be there. You can't change that.

Do you know how often i encounter afks in overwatch? Do you know how scared of the penalty players are there? Exp is so hard to grind in OW the fact that they make the gain abyssmal for afking is a fantastic punishment. Life happens, but so does rage quitting. And the automated tribual system cant tell the difference because its a fucking machine.

Drugoth3 votes

So you're telling me that you can tell the difference between a ragequit and an internet outage?

The experience gain penalty that Blizzard uses is actually pretty decent.

The most important factor in determining if a player should be punished for leaving is the frequency at which he does it. Which is what the IFS already uses as a leading determining factor in its decision making process btw.

AMADEUSdotEXE2 votes

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So you're telling me that you can tell the difference between a ragequit and an internet outage?

The experience gain penalty that Blizzard uses is actually pretty decent.

The most important factor in determining if a player should be punished for leaving is the frequency at which he does it. Which is what the IFS already uses as a leading determining factor in its decision making process btw.

Not trying to come off so aggressive btw. The frequency is important sure (sorry its 12 am im keeping shit simple) , but it doesnt take a genius to tell the difference between a teammate randomly afking mid game, and a 0/3 jinx that literally just said they're were dont with the fucking game to know that the player rage quit.

Riot could really take a few tips from Blizzard when it comes to player behavior management. Like removing cross team chat, and the meantioned xp gain penalty but modified. Im sure you realize that the auto tribunal system has not and is not capable of accurately punishing players that know how to "cheese the system"

Drugoth2 votes

Well obviously if someone says they're quitting in chat that's pretty easy to explain. What about the people that go 0/3 and disconnect without a word though?

I haven't seen anyone "cheesing the system" personally. Can you maybe describe to me what they are doing to avoid being punished? I run into intentional feeders and afkers a lot less often than is claimed on these boards.

Telephone Booth1 votes

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Well obviously if someone says they're quitting in chat that's pretty easy to explain. What about the people that go 0/3 and disconnect without a word though?

I haven't seen anyone "cheesing the system" personally. Can you maybe describe to me what they are doing to avoid being punished? I run into intentional feeders and afkers a lot less often than is claimed on these boards.

Ya I rarely have leavers.

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

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So you're telling me that you can tell the difference between a ragequit and an internet outage?

The experience gain penalty that Blizzard uses is actually pretty decent.

The most important factor in determining if a player should be punished for leaving is the frequency at which he does it. Which is what the IFS already uses as a leading determining factor in its decision making process btw.

Here's the problem with that... the IFS is a machine, and I'm pretty confident the A.I. for RIOT's IFS lacks the ability to make accurate judgements on certain situations.

If they were to go by frequency alone, do you realize what that would mean? People would be able to rage quit every 10-or-so games/1-2 days because as long as they kept their leave frequency per day/or out of a handful of games they could go without punishment. Imagine if someone did that on your promos?

Cowseed2 votes

Let me explain this to you. Over watch is a paid game. Meaning everyone that plays that game has m-o-n-e-y. They are more likely to have better internet, better pcs and can probably consistently find hours where they will never be bothered.

If you see a player that's been silent all game not being toxic and playing at the very least ok just dc its probably not because they want to, trust me.

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

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I mean shit, real life is a thing that happens. What do you want Riot to do? Start handing out permabans for leaving?

Even IF Riot was to start cracking down hard and handing out bans to leavers, they will always be there. You can't change that.

Did I say anything about permabans? You seem awfully defensive. They could easily: reduce i.p gain (or remove it for a fixed period), de-level you if they want to be mean, halt or reduce xp gain, put a temporary suspension on playing ranked/or normals until the leave rate drops to a certain level, lock out skins for a few games, or just increase the leave penalty to a few hours.

You know what i did when i got leaver buster? I would watch anime for 20 minutes, or take a 20 minute nap, or eat. Or literally any short lived activity.

F0rseSh0t7 votes

But I leave the game because of other reasons and people do too, I mean sometimes my internet goes down, sometimes my laptop turns of when I'm out of battery, some times electricity goes down, you shouldn't judge people, and be sure that they rage quit, every thing happens.

Noblewind2 votes

Exactly, there's only so much you can do about the leaving issue. My laptop froze in my last game, couldn't even Ctrl-Alt-Del to restart the client, had to manually shutdown. Never happened before in years. Do I deserve a suspension for that? Of course not

Bard Bard Bardo1 votes

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Exactly, there's only so much you can do about the leaving issue. My laptop froze in my last game, couldn't even Ctrl-Alt-Del to restart the client, had to manually shutdown. Never happened before in years. Do I deserve a suspension for that? Of course not

If you are not running a toaster, you should be back in 2-3 minutes. If you never come back, then you deserve every ban for not meeting the requirement of a video game: A running computer. When someone ruins the game, you will report. When you ruin the game, it's "all not so bad, just a game"?

Noblewind1 votes

I was back in 5mins or so from the client startup taking a long time, I play the game with medium settings. My teammates never said a word about it either, we just ended up losing a pretty close match. If they reported me it's fine, because yes I do the same. Don't tell me what my opinion is.

I'm talking about the topic in question, not about reports being valid or not. Does the system properly ban actual repeat offenders? Hell no, I agree it doesnt. But that also doesn't mean we should increase the punishment to such a harsh extent that everyone gets punished for 1 leave, because there are circumstances where shit happens. That's fact

Zerio7771 votes

I like how he says 'dont tell me what my opinion is' right after agreeing with what was said to have been the implied opinion. Oh, internet users.

Bard Bard Bardo2 votes

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But I leave the game because of other reasons and people do too, I mean sometimes my internet goes down, sometimes my laptop turns of when I'm out of battery, some times electricity goes down, you shouldn't judge people, and be sure that they rage quit, every thing happens.

There is only one requirement in this online game: Staying online. When your "internet goes down", or "your power", "out of battery"..Then get the fuck off real-time online games. What is wrong with you? In what 4th world country do you live in and why do other people that pay their bills for power and a proper ISP have to lose because you are such a selfish, ignorant prick?

Noblewind2 votes

You're reaching pretty hard with this. Power outages are random...

Also, yes you're right people shouldn't play these games if they have regular issues, I totally agree. Thats the worst. But at the same time, it's ignorant to think technical issues will never happen during a game. It's an online game like you said, goes with the territory

Zerio7771 votes

Power outages aren't random... if your power is random, invest in a generator, as that's not a 1st world issue any more, outside of natural disasters.

Noblewind1 votes

They definitely are. I mean it usually goes out when there's a nearby storm, but tiny ones that last just a second where your electronics reset for instance are random

Zerio7771 votes

No. They're not. I'm an Electrical Engineer... your electronics, especially your modem/router, do not restart at random. There are settings to do a daily-weekly reset to refresh all the up/down streams into the box, but there's no random restarts, unless, again, you're not in a first world country, or rely on discount hardware or crappy provider from outside of one.

Noblewind1 votes

I don't understand what's so confusing, I'm simply talking about a city's power grid, you know, when you need to reset your microwave's clock once in a blue moon? I live in the Toronto area in a nice neighbourhood, there is no power grid on earth which has 100% perfect uptime to all residences within it. Even if just a few times a year for 1 second at a time, it's enough to reset electronics and therefore make you lose your game if you were playing league. All I was saying, and those are random, that's not debatable....

Zerio7771 votes

I live in Colorado Springs, relatively average sized city, and our weather is sporadic, at best. The last time I had to mess with the "microwave's clock" was when I swapped out the breaker box 4.5 years ago.

Have you ever seen a power line down in your neighborhood? If so, that's a win you can have; however, for most city dwellers, those don't happen every year. If your city's utilities are run poorly, yes, you can have moments where the consumption is higher than the production (in the UK, that'd be called 'kettle time'/'tv pickup')--if that's the case with yours, file a petition to your legislatures, and file a complaint to your utilities company, as the UK has solved their 'kettle time', and no other grid is comparable, in that matter. If your area gets a lot of lightning, or, for whatever reason, acts differently than the neighborhood beside yours, complain to your city officials regarding faulty wiring/surge protection, or finance yourself a powerwall (100$/mo for 5 yrs), and you'll never have another issue again. If it's just your house being affected at times, your utility company should come and check out the electrical panel for your home.

None of this is random. The best argument you have is that lightning can truly cause a breaker to blow, converters to fry, and lines to surge, causing unexpected outages. Well maintained equipment will rarely allow for any of these to occur.

You are right about one thing, though... it's not debatable.

Noblewind2 votes

I appreciate the advice, but I'd like to point out this doesn't affect me at all, I was simply pointing out the fact that shit happens to agree with the guy above. I have never had to leave a league game due to an outtage. I experience a blip in power maybe once or twice a year for a second or two, if that

Zerio7772 votes

Thank you for your tactful response. One thing I intentionally left out... I've had more issues with xfinity and century link than all other lol-interrupting issues combined. The power grid might be alright, but the internet providers in America are atrocious.

Have a good one, Noble!

F0rseSh0t1 votes

But when your country is 3d worlds countrys (still growing), you will have this often.

Zerio7771 votes

If there's a group of ethiopians in my game, that i play here in America, then there's a problem with riot. However, this is not the case... and was explicitly excluded from the original post.

Telephone Booth3 votes

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There is only one requirement in this online game: Staying online. When your "internet goes down", or "your power", "out of battery"..Then get the fuck off real-time online games. What is wrong with you? In what 4th world country do you live in and why do other people that pay their bills for power and a proper ISP have to lose because you are such a selfish, ignorant prick?

Not everyone puts as much weight on online games as you. They aren't selfish for having the mentality that it's "just a game". They don't want to spend extra time/money to make sure they never disconnect, in a recreational, online video game. It's just a game dude. You're calling people selfish, ignorant, and pricks because they decided to play an online game with sub-optimal equipment. I'm sorry but, if I get an ISP, and an Ethernet cord, that should be enough. Thats what ISP is for, internet. It lets me go online and the Ethernet makes it so I don't have to rely on shitty wifi. Guess what? I still disconnect sometimes. You want me to go research and shell out more money for whatever the fuck it is I can buy to make sure I NEVER disconnect, or else I'm just an ignorant selfish prick? Lol fuck yourself. You are the selfish prick in my eyes.

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

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Not everyone puts as much weight on online games as you. They aren't selfish for having the mentality that it's "just a game". They don't want to spend extra time/money to make sure they never disconnect, in a recreational, online video game. It's just a game dude. You're calling people selfish, ignorant, and pricks because they decided to play an online game with sub-optimal equipment. I'm sorry but, if I get an ISP, and an Ethernet cord, that should be enough. Thats what ISP is for, internet. It lets me go online and the Ethernet makes it so I don't have to rely on shitty wifi. Guess what? I still disconnect sometimes. You want me to go research and shell out more money for whatever the fuck it is I can buy to make sure I NEVER disconnect, or else I'm just an ignorant selfish prick? Lol fuck yourself. You are the selfish prick in my eyes.

You didnt read the post did you? I'm talking about players that RAGE QUIT. You're making all of these wild ass assumptions off of 2 sentence post. You disconnecting for 5 minutes and coming back, or disconnecting randomly is a lot different that someone thats been ganked 5 times in 4 minutes, has 4 deaths, and is screaming at their jg before they afk. There a times where the shits fuckin obvious and there are times where its debatable that they rage quit or had connection issues. The ATS (automated tribunal system) can't detect that because its a machine with a lack of judgement.

Telephone Booth1 votes

Dude lol sorry I was responding to Bard Bard Bardo. That's why I quoted what he said.

Zerio7771 votes

I'd thumbs up you being tactful, but you didn't owe him any apology o.o

AMADEUSdotEXE2 votes

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There is only one requirement in this online game: Staying online. When your "internet goes down", or "your power", "out of battery"..Then get the fuck off real-time online games. What is wrong with you? In what 4th world country do you live in and why do other people that pay their bills for power and a proper ISP have to lose because you are such a selfish, ignorant prick?

What the hell are you talking about? Who was that aimed at?

Velzard of Koz1 votes

Turn off Chronological View and you'll see whom he responded to.

F0rseSh0t1 votes

But i myself dont control electricity, or ping issues and dissconects :C{[zombie-brand-clap]

Zerio7771 votes

Those are all side affects of being poor. If you're too poor for online games, there are poor-people-friendly offline games =)

SociopathFriend5 votes

I had a fire drill in an apartment complex- I wasn't going to stick around playing LoL with that happening.

Tails90163 votes

What if you were in your diamond promos?

HellbornCreator4 votes

Hell yeah bro ill take diamond for mangled and fucked up burnt skin for the rest of my life.

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

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What if you were in your diamond promos?

Shit like this is part of the reason why some players are stuck in bronze (Im too lazy to play ranked lately). Obviously there are times that we make mistakes that cost us our promos, but at the same time i've lost count of how many promos I've won//lost because I or my enemy had an AFK/rage quitter. I know the last time i played ranked i had rage quitters on two of my promos and my team and I weren't strong enough to muscle it out.

SociopathFriend2 votes

Then I'm in an alternate dimension. I don't play Ranked- I play LoL for fun. Which funnily enough, seems to work.

I rarely, if ever, get rage-induced AFKs in Blind. I rarely get trolls. I get a wide selection of champions in a match. I get fun teammates sometimes who are nice and chatty.

Too often I see someone complain about how much they hate the game and ask when the last time they just played a Blind match was and discover it's pretty much all Ranked with the odd Draft game in there. The game's fun when you let it be. League does not revolve only around Ranked.

Velzard of Koz2 votes

sometimes my laptop turns of when I'm out of battery

You could always... Idk... Not play on low battery... Or is LoL that much of an addiction to you?

Zerio7771 votes

Likewise, is electricity that scarce? lol.

Strilter1 votes

ISSUE NUMBER ONE why risk the game if using battery power... electricity does go down but I take my gaming seriously and have purchased a $500 uninterruptable power supply so I don't fk 9 other people over. If your internet isn't reliable don't play....

all 100 pct easily avoidable you should try harder.... like the rest of us competitive crazy people

Kloqdq4 votes

I don't understand this. Do people just play with monkeys or what? I haven't seen an afk in probably months.

Rand0mH3r0X2 votes

LeaverBuster doesn't prevent rage quits, it punishes them.

AMADEUSdotEXE1 votes

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LeaverBuster doesn't prevent rage quits, it punishes them.

A 20 minute 'penalty' is laughable at best. Oh i have to wait 20 minutes? Guess I'll go watch an anime/fap/play a game or 2 of hearthstone while i wait. 3-5 hours? Thats a threat (penalty) Noone wants to be forced to keep their client running for that long because they've been rage quitting. Keep in mind I''m opting for the return of the HUMAN controlled tribunal.

Rand0mH3r0X1 votes

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752714-LeaverBuster-FAQ

Now what you're describing seems to mean the dodging pentaly. I personally think that it needs to be long enough to be punishing, but not so long that you can leave the computer running.

SociopathFriend2 votes

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This is a constant and expected issue in the game.

If by "constant and expected" you mean, "happens occasionally" then sure- I'll agree. But I rarely have someone leave because they're losing and are toxic. In fact if it's been more than a dozen all-year for me I certainly didn't notice it.

Śpiridon1 votes

Yesterday I had 4 Afks in a ROW, and it was ranked aswell...

DIABLOII6661 votes

Experience game penalty is really good thing. I've seen a bunch of LOL players playing game with probably cell phone hooked up to an internet and than shared network to a computer. While if you are in area with good coverage that can work, on the other hand if you don't have good coverage, ping will start going crazy in team fights and you will get disconnected very often. While i do understand their desire to play the game, i don't understand what kind of pleasure is to start a game and not being able to play due to unstable connection or ping, and more over how person with such problems can't understand he is hurting the rest of his team. If you want to have fun playing LOL but you have poor performance on you network or computer, than play against bots, don't go in the real game where you will ruin the game for another 4 guys playing in your team.

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