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"Touring test have nothing to do with LOL bots. "
If your saying they can communicate at a human level then it does. that simple.
Not necessarily riots as they are portrait as bots. but if you want to claim they are hiding in your games and passing as people. They need to communicate at that level. Your asking how to tell bots from people In games, communications a good part of it. its awfull communication + bad play that's a hallmark of 3rd party bots.
Why I have that feeling that you trying to troll me?
What does it mean "They need to communicate at that level."?
So... If my teammates only thing they can write in chat is "gg, hf, kys, gl" so it means are they bots or humans? What kind of lvl of comunication is that? Human begginer, semi-pro or advanced?
To throw your logic at you, how can you prove riots advance semi pro bots are not humans playing pretending to be bots? What proof do you have, we cant trust the devs how do you know they did not have pros playing?
Becouse I know their metodology, I have already learned their gameplay template.
In the same way I able to say that similar template is recognizable in "players" (bots) behavior in normal, ranked games.
"controlling the game with bots."
its not the easiest way to control their game. you have to build an AI good enough to function at every level and if your hiding them in games it has to communicate at a human level for it to pass off as a human.
Its their game too so honestly they can just make a fake accounts with fake stats off a fake history vs other fakes to pad their matchmaker.
And that's ALOT of extra steps over adjusting the curve for MMR. At any point they can change the starting value for an account or the K factor. every season they can set what values are used for the soft reset.
you know, things that can be accomplished in an afternoon of work rather then all the RnD for AI.
What da hell are you talking about? Where you taking from those pseudo-paradigms?
They have to that... they have to this. They have to nothing. If they will try simulate a human they will behive like a human - as a kid - similar to begginer bot - without any strategy, making stupid mistakes, typing in chat infantile things... as a grow man - with full efford
Meanwhile a breakthrough AI is something they can sell. Its an achievement worth $.
"Kai guy your (possibly) a bot or a dev!"
Nah man im actualy a lizard person and your tinfoil hats the only thing stopping me from melting your brains out your ears with my 4 dimensional cryptograph hidden in my posts. We don't want you to hang out with John Connor when our robot besties revolt.
- everything I say that's not opinion is something that's public knowledge and available to folks who look it up. The fact that you don't do your own homework and research things is on you. You don't understand how something works, you take a guess, I say your wrong, you get upset, and you try to stick to your guesses anyhow. Then if all fails but I DOUBT IT. doesn't change reality. You can doubt gravity all you want still going to hurt yourself when you trip and fall.
My english is not that good to understand your metaphors.
- If I worked for riot I could very easily just get on my red account and it would lend a lot of weight to my arguments because id be in a position to get information that's not publicly available but also wouldn't compromise the integrity a system. Reds have shared internal information before. Take a look in Dev Corner if you want to see red posts.
If you were him, you would write it exactly in the way you did it now, denying that - who you are.
... because if you are "one of them", would you admit it?
2.B If my day job is a game dev for a different company, then I would at best be a player with education on systems commonly used and what ever system the game I work on used.... assuming I was in that department. (I'm not btw thou you will likely unreasonably press X to doubt again.)
Same as above...
- chat bots are stupid. machine learning only goes so far. This conversations been about a bunch of topic and I am directly replying on topic consistently. I'm also able to take your own words and use them to show case your errors.
So... all of people you playing with are "smart" ? What are you talking about - in game?
So lets add machine Learning to the list of things you don't seem to have a good understanding about. (Where exactly if I was a chat bot would my training data for our conversation from? Or do you want to claim I might be a fully sentient ai?)
Your words have a symptoms of trolling, I do not want to continue this conversation because it is leading us to nowhere.
"but kai dota bots!"
-googles for information. Oh cool. This doesn't help your argument thou man.
OpenAI had to corral a massive amount of processing power — some 256 GPUs and 128,000 CPU cores. <- out of reach for most folks.
The 1v1 bots beat pros. It was restricted to only shadow fiend. Yet when taken public there was 50 prizes for any one who could beat the bot. All 50 prizes got claimed. It lost. Not even to pros but to folks finding way to exploit the ai.
They did some 5v5. They have restrictions on champion pools for bot matches. + handycaps that help the bots
The bots are linked into the game, they don't judge off vision like players, they have 100% accuracy in knowing range. They react at speeds humans cant and caculate at speeds humans cant.
Still lost games to humans.
5v5 games are not even the full dota 2. Players Cant use full rooster. It was found that AI has issues adapting to something unexpected, Chinese players beat them by funneling into 1 hero then crushing.
- to build one of these bots it takes a Massive amount of learning .
The bots play 180 years of game time at an accelerated rate per day. <- Greg Brockman
And they still are incomplete.
Also, none of that matters unless riot provides a Bot API to the bots.
So lets check this again. Massive amount of hardware. Handy capped matches favor bots despite inhuman reaction and calculation speeds, limited champion pool, Abilitys and itemsets are hard coded (bots don't make the decisions on this. humans did.) API needed for bots to play the game, Months of grinding in basically a hyperbolic time chamber resulting in several thousand years worth of game time experience needed to get bots up to par.
You somehow think this is common place or that some how even more advanced ones exist (unhandicapped matches and full champion rooster)?
Would you like to not using metaphors and idioms. I do not live in NA, absolutely I do not understand you.
I'm start thinking that you are acting. Always you trying to put yours pseudo-paradigms as a proof for "impossibility" of doing something but when I'm giving for you example of possibilities or contradictions you still trying to those possiblities.
It is absolutely incomprehensible that as a player - you are sticking to nowhere declared - paradigms. Non of the players should have no reason to behieve like you do and trying to defend a game like you do.
