"Wtf I shit on Fizz in lane and he was 169 cs behind, but he oneshot me without counterplay"

Penns·May 21, 2017·17 votes·1,567 views

I see this a lot but 1) thats what assassins do, especially Fizz as he has 0 ranged poke unlike any other assassin in the game. Doesnt matter that you are 4/0 when you built Morello and Ludens against him, "winning lane" doesnt make you tanky.

And 2) There is counterplay, his ult is a skillshot and he needs it to kill you. It also has 2 seconds delay before it does damage, his E and Q are possible to outplay/dodge too. Sure he can wait 2 seconds after hitting his ult and kill you "instantly" with a W proc, but he still has to land a high cooldown skillshot before doing it.

If thats a problem, you might as well say "Zed hit a double/triple Q on me and Death Mark is going to kill me, now there is no counterplay to him" lol.

36 Comments

JavelinJoeMay 21, 20179 votes

But then you realize he has natural anti-creep block (perpetually ghosted), has the smallest hit-box in the game, can build tanky to an extent, has an invulnerability, multiple gap closers and escapes, and has an ult that get bigger and stronger the farther it travels and realize that they might have a point.

PennsMay 21, 20178 votes

So.. literally just listing everything in a champions kit that isnt overloaded at all and lacks many things like meaningful range or utility makes them have a point?

MarshbouyMay 21, 20177 votes

It's gameplay in a nutshell. List all their strengths, list 0 negatives, claim that they are op, ..., collect upvotes.

SlythionMay 21, 20172 votes

don't forget to exaggerate or even make up situations and present them as literal truths

"omg lv.10 fizz tanked 7 turrets shots and walked out with at least half hp still"

MarshbouyMay 21, 20172 votes

omggg lee sin one shot me form full health at level 3 no counterplay.

SlythionMay 21, 20176 votes

omggg (insert juggernaut here) does more damage than an assassin and is incredibly tanky...plz nerf tanks [slayer-jinx-unamused]

ChaddyFantomeMay 21, 20173 votes

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So.. literally just listing everything in a champions kit that isnt overloaded at all and lacks many things like meaningful range or utility makes them have a point?

This. Fizz is a problem but JavelinJoe here's argument is ass, lmao.

jmp231May 21, 20174 votes

Its untargetability.... not invulnerability. If he gets ignited and jumps up he still takes dmg

MarshbouyMay 21, 20173 votes

It also doesn't break tethers. It's pretty funny to watch him troll poll a karma W only to still be rooted when he comes back down.

jmp231May 21, 20174 votes

It just amazes me how people don't read abilities on champions before complaining

MarshbouyMay 21, 20173 votes

P l e a s e f i x t h r e s h r e l i c s h i e l d d o e s n t w o r k o n h i m

jmp231May 22, 20172 votes

LOL. Same with rakan. I see so many people birch about that

Milla JovovichMay 21, 20176 votes

Killing everyone while having 40 cs and a Sheen at 20 mins is kinda too strong

PennsMay 21, 20177 votes

It would be.. luckily he cant do that lol.

ChønklordMay 21, 20174 votes

If by "everyone" you mean Soraka and 4 afk's, then yea. Everyone.

Sahn UzalMay 21, 20175 votes

Eh, I despise fishmidget, but thinking he shouldn't be able to kill you because you have a CS lead is silly. He's not exactly capable of farming against most midlaners, so he functions with a lower gold amount to make up for it.l

MarshbouyMay 21, 20175 votes

Doesnt matter that you are 4/0 when you built Morello and Ludens against him, "winning lane" doesnt make you tanky.

exactly. At most you are going to have maybe 100 more hp and 7 more MR.

ArakadiaMay 22, 20171 votes

Well with 170cs lead and four kills, you should be way too ahead for that.

JbelsMay 21, 20175 votes

You know, I used to hate dying to Fizz. I used to think Fizz was the most retarded, unfair, shittiest example of champion design in the game. But now whenever I die to him, I can only go "Oh fuck, that was 100% my bad". If you shit on Fizz in lane and die to him after, it's 100% because you underestimated him.

Wînter FoxMay 21, 20175 votes

This "assassin" you speak of builds tank half the time and can just press W to chunk everyone to death. I'd love to see Leblanc Akali Rengar Khazix Zed Shaco Kassadin Katarina Talon try to build Sunfire/Triforce and just auto-attack.

SlythionMay 21, 20173 votes

did you not know of Fizz's nerfs that specifically targeted the tank build? It's not that great anymore

FEEDlNG TIMEMay 21, 20172 votes

Actually fizzes dont build half tank anymore, since it was kinda like, nerfed.

Wînter FoxMay 22, 20172 votes

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did you not know of Fizz's nerfs that specifically targeted the tank build? It's not that great anymore

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Actually fizzes dont build half tank anymore, since it was kinda like, nerfed.

That's why I said half of the time and not all of the time.

HaIlMonitorMay 21, 20173 votes

Assassins dont just kill you. Name another assassin that can be 0/4 with a single item done that can do that lol. a 100 farm zed couldnt even kill an adc at 20 minutes, why should any of them be able to.

PennsMay 21, 20174 votes

Youmus Zed can do that, Youmus Talon, Kat, LB and Akali with Gunblade, every assassin. If Zed cant kill an adc at min 20 then that adc either bought armor or the Zed fucked up/got outplayed lol.

wei270Aug 9, 20171 votes

yeah 100 farm zed at 20 mins can kill adc even if the adc is higher lvl as long as he is lvl 11, you can try it in custom mode

YambrinZMay 21, 20173 votes

I dont think Fizz R is that high of a cooldown....its basically up by the time I get back to lane from killing oyu the first time...

Fed by Snu SnuMay 22, 20173 votes

If it's ok for Fizz to insta-kill someone when 170 cs behind, then I expect Maokai to be reverted and every tank to get a % dmg reduction skill.

Because if assassins are supposed to be able to do their job even when they lose their lane, then so should tanks.

strutMay 21, 20172 votes

He is not OP. He is incredibly frustrating to play against and melts the fun of playing this game. The problem is not that he is too strong. It's that apart from Fizz players everybody fucking hates to even think of him.

PennsMay 21, 20172 votes

Mostly lower elo players that cant and/or dont want to learn how to play against him.

Which is fine by me, hate him if you want to, but dont say he should be nerfed because you refuse to build any defense against like the most all in focused champ in the game while not being able to outplay him, especially when theres dozens of stronger champs lol.

strutMay 21, 20172 votes

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Mostly lower elo players that cant and/or dont want to learn how to play against him.

Which is fine by me, hate him if you want to, but dont say he should be nerfed because you refuse to build any defense against like the most all in focused champ in the game while not being able to outplay him, especially when theres dozens of stronger champs lol.

I started my comment with saying that i don't think he is OP. You still talk about champion strenght and me wanting to get him nerfed. So let me try again. Fizz is not OP. Got it this time?

I don't hate him because of that okay? I am not getting annoyed because he is too strong but it seems that anyone who tries to defend him just cannot fucking understand this. No i don't think that he needs nerfs. I don't think there aren't stronger champs. I didn't say anything like that. I said that he was incredibly unfun to play against. It's not fun when he is winning lane and it's not fun when i am winning lane. Even if i am stomping him i don't have fun playing against him. His kit makes me want to hang myself in seconds. The gapclosers the untargetability the fucking bleed damage... His voice his appearance the way he fucking moves. Everything about this champion is just fucking annoying. Everything. I don't think he is too strong no. He can even be shit on in lane. But i just cannot enjoy laning against him no matter what.

PennsMay 21, 20171 votes

I wasnt talking about you, "hate him if you want to" was meant to be me talking to "x guy" that complains about Fizz being broken.

I mean, I understand it, but for me its pretty fun to lane against Fizz. That might be just because I main him but imo its kind of a fun challenge but also freelo even if I fuck up, even if I give him a kill at level 3 or something I just build my Hexdrinker or Banshees and watch him cry lol.

zaire90May 22, 20171 votes

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Mostly lower elo players that cant and/or dont want to learn how to play against him.

Which is fine by me, hate him if you want to, but dont say he should be nerfed because you refuse to build any defense against like the most all in focused champ in the game while not being able to outplay him, especially when theres dozens of stronger champs lol.

Did you mean the assassin rework