"I am still absolute salt over the olaf rework"

Affinity2·7/25/2015, 5:57:56 PM·55 votes·9,783 views

"never before has there been a rework that accomplishes absolutely nothing"

is what one of my peers at another forum has said about the topic. Olaf is the biggest conundrum in league of legends and was around before skarner and nidalee got there follow up changes to balance them out.

For those who dont know olaf was reworked a while back to make his gameplay more "fair" "fun" and overall update his playpattern.

What did we get.

Q got a minimum distance added to it so that olaf cant throw it at his feet and pick it up again at 0 cd and melt someone. It also got a low change that if the axe was thrown a short distance it would slow for less so olaf coudnt perma slow people in melee range (even though it still happens if you play olaf right riot just added a ridiculous skill floor for those playing olaf)

Want to know what would have fixed this problem: Olaf now has a 1- 1.5 lockout time after casting q before he can cast another seems much less complicated than making olaf's playpattern feel like garbage adding alot of extra clicking for much less reward.

W gave olaf even more attack speed (which he doesnt need because of his passive) (meddler has said numerous times that multiple attack speed steroids like aatrox and olaf feel unsatisfying.

Want to know what could fix this? make olafs passive amplify his auto attacks so they deal a percentage higher for each percent health missing instead of 2 attack speed steroids. Is basically the same type of ability except this would FEEL much better

E still toxic in melee vs melee lanes because of its cooldown.... still scales like shit into the lategame because you cant make it strong in lane.

Solution make e apply on hit effects so olaf is forced to take minion agro when he e's someone in lane.

R honestly this one should be up to riot to fix. they wanted to add counterplay but at the end of the day he still has a perma slow and cc immunity (now with a speed boost) so i dont think they knew what they were doing here.

Conclusion, olaf is empirically unfun to play as and against and is not up to the standards of a league of legends champion.....

lets get some changes on the PBE folks upvotes help visibility

69 Comments

SaltyToplaneGoat7/25/2015, 6:03:39 PM13 votes

Lol who even plays Olaf?

Vistha Kai7/25/2015, 8:18:20 PM5 votes

Olaf? Is that a champion?

Beoridas7/26/2015, 3:38:05 AM4 votes

i dont agree with the W.E,R changes you suggest.

See. i feel its ok for olaf to have these abilities. Morgana can give olaf ult to anyone she wishes. Much more difficult to break it if its mid morgana to top it off. Q should be brought back to what it was. W is very unsatisfying. E is fine. (every bruiser in the game have armor pen, true dmg or mixed dmg-max % health dmg) R is coutner intuitive.

No champ should be penalised for what they are or not get a net benefit from their passive or wtv abilities. His ult passive is laughable...specially that he has to lose it when he activate it. ITs like jax losing his passive R when he uses his active R. makes no sense.

OR like kassadin not having scaling mr cause of his passive....the point of having a passive if its to be penalised...

Icestar11867/25/2015, 6:26:33 PM4 votes

Olaf and Poppy are the most badly in need of reworks. Have an upvote.

Teridax687/25/2015, 7:19:15 PM3 votes

I didn't know Reckless Swing didn't attract minion aggro. That sounds super-archaic, since any offensive ability should attract aggro if used on an enemy champion.

I agree that Olaf isn't in the best state, and that his rework didn't try to make him good, so much as make him less unhealthy. However, I feel his kit needs to be changed more integrally than with just a few gameplay tweaks. I think the minimum range on his Q was a good change, since it made its use a bit smarter beyond just throwing axes at point-blank range and auto-picking them up in fights. A lockout period would achieve the same thing, but with less gameplay. I agree that he needs just one attack speed steroid, but Olaf in general has way too many stat steroids, so amplifying his autoattack damage wouldn't really give him interesting power. His W also has a really serious anti-pattern, in that the healing factors into his passive and lowers his DPS (he needs both passives with the kit he has, but they work against each other). I'm not sure his E needs to proc on-hit effects, but it definitely has to attract minion aggro.

Overall, though, the bigger problem with Olaf is that there is nothing he contributes that is truly unique to him, aside from his CC immunity (and that's not a direct contribution to his team). Most of his power comes from stat boosts (he has 7 stat steroids on his kit), and the other effects he has aren't terribly powerful. He needs to become a proper berserker (Fury would likely work better than mana as a system, if he had the proper gate to his abilities), and he needs to contribute in a way that doesn't just make him a ball of stats, as he is now.

OperationDEEZ17/26/2015, 2:41:04 AM3 votes

"never before has there been a rework that accomplishes absolutely nothing"

MissFortune (Now with more shitty filters) Would like a word with you.

Radnar the bold7/25/2015, 6:03:19 PM3 votes

NO, THEY NEED TO WORK ON TARIC, POPPY, AND URGOT. they need to focus on these outdated champs before working on champs that have been reworked already. After these three then they can do olaf.

bad manner kid7/26/2015, 1:56:40 AM2 votes

Olaf/Skarner "reworks" were just adjusting some numbers and radiuses. They are both still boring as hell to play.

Jingerbeardman7/26/2015, 1:41:38 AM2 votes

there was a reason olaf and his old kit got "olafed". his current kit is actually really pretty good, i might even say better than his old in some ways (everyone will miss instant axe spam). also... you do realize 2 other champions already have a more damage less health mechanic already (mundo and tryndamere). Riot is not one to make identical passives on multiple champions that fill the same roll.

Honestly I dont understand what you have against him... his slow is far from permanent and he is in no way impossible to face...

LookMyBigBrain7/27/2015, 3:25:11 PM2 votes

If Riot reworks Olaf, I hope they keep his e So satisfying when you hit em with a bunch of true dmg they should also keep the same ult concept the cc immunity

Hard Penetrator7/26/2015, 12:33:40 AM2 votes

Its hard to talk about champion you see once in blue moon. I am pretty sure that at this point he should get rework. Can't really see how small buff will make him fun again.

But we all know how some reworks can go so...

3TWarrior7/30/2015, 4:25:03 AM1 votes

unfun to play as and against? really, I think he's only unfun when he gets absolutely stomped in lane by a good player, otherwise he's pretty fun

champions like urgot, evelynn, xin zhao and etc are much higher on the rework priority list

riot didn't even rework evelynn, they changed her numbers and effects to where its hard for her to even assassinate low hp targets

how about twitch? he's still a hyper carry, but his visual update and stealth are very underpowered compared to instant escapes and the ability to save a support, then a passive that does % max hp

kalista basically became twitch 2.0, just dropped the stealth

It Hertz When IP7/26/2015, 6:31:50 PM1 votes

I never liked Olaf's E. The damage on it plus his R passive lets him build tanky and still deal strong damage; true damage no less, which is harder to itemize for.

I vote that it be changed to physical damage, with maybe a slight damage buff to compensate.

kaykalos7/30/2015, 2:52:32 AM1 votes

Olaf has a poor kit, with one op ultimate, because of his poor kit, olaf has more 'brute stats' to make up for his poor kit. My rework idea is this: his utlimate cant block infinity ccs (2 or 3 only) and u give him one gapcloser, i dont want a hard cc to his new kit, because olaf on my mind is a dps anticarry, not a tank (tanks supposed to have many ccs). Also i dont want dps buffs for his late, because that will make him frontline brawler like scarner, trundle (if they dont add to him gap closer, i dont want dps buffs) I dont want riot to change olaf's identity

Prospector Pete7/25/2015, 6:01:57 PM1 votes

What rework? When was it?