"I am still absolute salt over the olaf rework"

Affinity2··55 votes·9,783 views

"never before has there been a rework that accomplishes absolutely nothing"

is what one of my peers at another forum has said about the topic. Olaf is the biggest conundrum in league of legends and was around before skarner and nidalee got there follow up changes to balance them out.

For those who dont know olaf was reworked a while back to make his gameplay more "fair" "fun" and overall update his playpattern.

What did we get.

Q got a minimum distance added to it so that olaf cant throw it at his feet and pick it up again at 0 cd and melt someone. It also got a low change that if the axe was thrown a short distance it would slow for less so olaf coudnt perma slow people in melee range (even though it still happens if you play olaf right riot just added a ridiculous skill floor for those playing olaf)

Want to know what would have fixed this problem: Olaf now has a 1- 1.5 lockout time after casting q before he can cast another seems much less complicated than making olaf's playpattern feel like garbage adding alot of extra clicking for much less reward.

W gave olaf even more attack speed (which he doesnt need because of his passive) (meddler has said numerous times that multiple attack speed steroids like aatrox and olaf feel unsatisfying.

Want to know what could fix this? make olafs passive amplify his auto attacks so they deal a percentage higher for each percent health missing instead of 2 attack speed steroids. Is basically the same type of ability except this would FEEL much better

E still toxic in melee vs melee lanes because of its cooldown.... still scales like shit into the lategame because you cant make it strong in lane.

Solution make e apply on hit effects so olaf is forced to take minion agro when he e's someone in lane.

R honestly this one should be up to riot to fix. they wanted to add counterplay but at the end of the day he still has a perma slow and cc immunity (now with a speed boost) so i dont think they knew what they were doing here.

Conclusion, olaf is empirically unfun to play as and against and is not up to the standards of a league of legends champion.....

lets get some changes on the PBE folks upvotes help visibility

69 Comments

SaltyToplaneGoat13 votes

Lol who even plays Olaf?

Affinity221 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l6Kx4bcE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-07-25T18:03:39.519+0000)

Lol who even plays Olaf?

exactly lets make him fun again

Kingsgrave2 votes

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exactly lets make him fun again

Zion and LCK play him.

TurquoiseYoshi3 votes

ZionSpartan.

Fisk3 votes

Reignover and ZionSpartan played olaf this week... That said, olaf is sorta sad to play honestly, even if you are doing well on him his W is pretty unfun just because of how simple it is and it sorta takes away some glory from his passive and vice versa. I think his Q, E and Ult (especially with the movement speed buff) feel really solid although I don't really like the armor and mr because you lose it right when you need it. I think I would prefer a passive movement speed buff or a slow on his autos when he ults or some other utility instead because its current power is hidden and somewhat counter productive (IMO). But, at least he is playable again and I really love the short ms buff on his ult. Its really fun to use.

I GANK LANES6 votes

hai and he wrecks shit with him

spavined1 votes

I main olaf

Old Man Teeto1 votes

Reignover

ABlueQuaker2 votes

I really like Olaf and thinks he's just as fun as any other Champion. Literally being unstoppable is pretty cool. item 3111 item 3143 item 3074 item 3078 item 3110 item 3065

Never die, never get outrun.

Affinity21 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Blue Quaker,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l6Kx4bcE,comment-id=00020007,timestamp=2015-07-26T12:41:55.486+0000)

I really like Olaf and thinks he's just as fun as any other Champion. Literally being unstoppable is pretty cool. item 3111 item 3143 item 3074 item 3078 item 3110 item 3065

Never die, never get outrun.

you would love prerework olaf alot more then..... im not askign for a new champion. im asking for a fun one with the same playpattern that also happens to have more counterplay than this iteration. considering thats the definition of a good rework i dont think thats asking for too much

Vistha Kai5 votes

Olaf? Is that a champion?

Jeddy01711 votes
Icestar11864 votes

Olaf and Poppy are the most badly in need of reworks. Have an upvote.

Feeding Support1 votes

Taric too, I mean riot has not touched him since his release date, and he is older than majority of the champions.

Taric Gems are truly Outrageous

67chrome9 votes

Taric got reworked between season 2 and 3.

Awkward.

Malzahard Mode1 votes

not to mention he's in the rework tunnel now, they have a kit decided on, just his aesthetic/theme direction to be determined

Rico Nasty2 votes

They've decided on a new kit and everything, they're just having trouble with his new design and concept.

Troll for Trump2 votes

Ur got to be kidding meUrgot While those two are in bad spots, some champs are also in grave situations.Yorick Honestly, it really bitesWarwick

Yes ik warwick is good jgler but hes so uninteractive and easy to play. One of those click a champ and they die, except it takes less skill than the other ones(I.e. zed)

Yorick is dirty to lane agaisnt urgot just sucks

Feeding Support1 votes

Warwick got some good skins and he isn't that ugly, Yorick actually in my opinion still looks good but I guess he needs little bit of a texture rework, and Urgot is meant to look ugly, texture updates going make him look even more uglier

Troll for Trump1 votes

yeah but most people think hes badlookin. Yoricks mechanics are kinda iffy.

WW has comedic skins, but doesnt have a awesomelooking skin like soulstealer vlad.

Penta Penguin1 votes

I don't know why people think Urgot is OP; channeled spells suck in team fights, urgot puts himself at risk to put an enemy at risk, he still has to land acid to get homing missiles and the acid is not point-and-click, it is an aoe but not that big of an aoe and has significant travel time. Maybe he's not "fun" or "Clarity" or some other obtuse excuse, but he's definitely not OP

Beoridas4 votes

i dont agree with the W.E,R changes you suggest.

See. i feel its ok for olaf to have these abilities. Morgana can give olaf ult to anyone she wishes. Much more difficult to break it if its mid morgana to top it off. Q should be brought back to what it was. W is very unsatisfying. E is fine. (every bruiser in the game have armor pen, true dmg or mixed dmg-max % health dmg) R is coutner intuitive.

No champ should be penalised for what they are or not get a net benefit from their passive or wtv abilities. His ult passive is laughable...specially that he has to lose it when he activate it. ITs like jax losing his passive R when he uses his active R. makes no sense.

OR like kassadin not having scaling mr cause of his passive....the point of having a passive if its to be penalised...

Radnar the bold3 votes

NO, THEY NEED TO WORK ON TARIC, POPPY, AND URGOT. they need to focus on these outdated champs before working on champs that have been reworked already. After these three then they can do olaf.

Affinity23 votes

[{quoted}](name=Radnar the bold,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l6Kx4bcE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-07-25T18:03:19.457+0000)

NO, THEY NEED TO WORK ON TARIC, POPPY, AND URGOT. they need to focus on these outdated champs before working on champs that have been reworked already. After these three then they can do olaf.

poppy taric are already getting reworked and taric was reworked more recently than olaf....... urgot is pretty healthy and very fun to play so idc if he needs a visual update

Radnar the bold1 votes

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poppy taric are already getting reworked and taric was reworked more recently than olaf....... urgot is pretty healthy and very fun to play so idc if he needs a visual update

Still I'd rather have those three before olaf.

Affinity23 votes

[{quoted}](name=Radnar the bold,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l6Kx4bcE,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-07-25T18:13:46.399+0000)

Still I'd rather have those three before olaf.

go look at the taric changelog..... lol poppy is gonna come anyway. upvote for a good cause bro and dont touch my urgot. already got my support urgot nerfed for lane urgot to be good

AutoreactiveCD41 votes

I thought at one point riot said urgot is unhealthy cause of the e + q lock on, and passive to an extent. I kind of agree with them on that on the lock on.

Sassmast3r1 votes

Yorick needs it so so much worse than them, but okay.

Radnar the bold2 votes

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Yorick needs it so so much worse than them, but okay.

Dang I knew I forgot one, but he has been forgotton by riot for so long. They even removed him from the free rotation yet still havent added or said any news about his rework.

Blastires2 votes

The irony of one of his quote.....

"You will remember Yorick Mori"

No, no one remembers who you are......i'm joking a little but I honestly forgot this guy existence until recently.

Radnar the bold2 votes

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The irony of one of his quote.....

"You will remember Yorick Mori"

No, no one remembers who you are......i'm joking a little but I honestly forgot this guy existence until recently.

I have yet to this day played a game with a yorick.....Ive heard whispers and hints and someone out there playing him.

10Tickler1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Radnar the bold,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l6Kx4bcE,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-26T07:20:40.927+0000)

I have yet to this day played a game with a yorick.....Ive heard whispers and hints and someone out there playing him.

That'd be Me.

Kuroi861 votes

They are stalled out trying to put together kit ideas and concepts for him so until they make it over the block he is snowballed. =/

Teridax683 votes

I didn't know Reckless Swing didn't attract minion aggro. That sounds super-archaic, since any offensive ability should attract aggro if used on an enemy champion.

I agree that Olaf isn't in the best state, and that his rework didn't try to make him good, so much as make him less unhealthy. However, I feel his kit needs to be changed more integrally than with just a few gameplay tweaks. I think the minimum range on his Q was a good change, since it made its use a bit smarter beyond just throwing axes at point-blank range and auto-picking them up in fights. A lockout period would achieve the same thing, but with less gameplay. I agree that he needs just one attack speed steroid, but Olaf in general has way too many stat steroids, so amplifying his autoattack damage wouldn't really give him interesting power. His W also has a really serious anti-pattern, in that the healing factors into his passive and lowers his DPS (he needs both passives with the kit he has, but they work against each other). I'm not sure his E needs to proc on-hit effects, but it definitely has to attract minion aggro.

Overall, though, the bigger problem with Olaf is that there is nothing he contributes that is truly unique to him, aside from his CC immunity (and that's not a direct contribution to his team). Most of his power comes from stat boosts (he has 7 stat steroids on his kit), and the other effects he has aren't terribly powerful. He needs to become a proper berserker (Fury would likely work better than mana as a system, if he had the proper gate to his abilities), and he needs to contribute in a way that doesn't just make him a ball of stats, as he is now.

Dr Poro2 votes

That sounds super-archaic, since any offensive ability should attract aggro if used on an enemy champion.

No, only auto attacks attract aggro.

Teridax682 votes

That sounds even more archaic. I've been playing League for almost three years now and I didn't realize the distinction.

Kuroi861 votes

It's why some people try playing ranged champs top lane, they think that with ranged abilities and autos, they can harass with much more freedom.

The Yetii Rider3 votes

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I didn't know Reckless Swing didn't attract minion aggro. That sounds super-archaic, since any offensive ability should attract aggro if used on an enemy champion.

I agree that Olaf isn't in the best state, and that his rework didn't try to make him good, so much as make him less unhealthy. However, I feel his kit needs to be changed more integrally than with just a few gameplay tweaks. I think the minimum range on his Q was a good change, since it made its use a bit smarter beyond just throwing axes at point-blank range and auto-picking them up in fights. A lockout period would achieve the same thing, but with less gameplay. I agree that he needs just one attack speed steroid, but Olaf in general has way too many stat steroids, so amplifying his autoattack damage wouldn't really give him interesting power. His W also has a really serious anti-pattern, in that the healing factors into his passive and lowers his DPS (he needs both passives with the kit he has, but they work against each other). I'm not sure his E needs to proc on-hit effects, but it definitely has to attract minion aggro.

Overall, though, the bigger problem with Olaf is that there is nothing he contributes that is truly unique to him, aside from his CC immunity (and that's not a direct contribution to his team). Most of his power comes from stat boosts (he has 7 stat steroids on his kit), and the other effects he has aren't terribly powerful. He needs to become a proper berserker (Fury would likely work better than mana as a system, if he had the proper gate to his abilities), and he needs to contribute in a way that doesn't just make him a ball of stats, as he is now.

Yeah. The fact that abilities don't attract minion aggro is why ranged top laners punish melee so much. They stand in the wave and use their boomerangs or point and click drain/snare to harass and if the melee goes in he draws minion aggro.

OperationDEEZ13 votes

"never before has there been a rework that accomplishes absolutely nothing"

MissFortune (Now with more shitty filters) Would like a word with you.

Hard Penetrator2 votes

Its hard to talk about champion you see once in blue moon. I am pretty sure that at this point he should get rework. Can't really see how small buff will make him fun again.

But we all know how some reworks can go so...

Jingerbeardman2 votes

there was a reason olaf and his old kit got "olafed". his current kit is actually really pretty good, i might even say better than his old in some ways (everyone will miss instant axe spam). also... you do realize 2 other champions already have a more damage less health mechanic already (mundo and tryndamere). Riot is not one to make identical passives on multiple champions that fill the same roll.

Honestly I dont understand what you have against him... his slow is far from permanent and he is in no way impossible to face...

bad manner kid2 votes

Olaf/Skarner "reworks" were just adjusting some numbers and radiuses. They are both still boring as hell to play.

LookMyBigBrain2 votes

If Riot reworks Olaf, I hope they keep his e So satisfying when you hit em with a bunch of true dmg they should also keep the same ult concept the cc immunity

Prospector Pete1 votes

What rework? When was it?

Affinity22 votes

[{quoted}](name=Prospector Pete,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l6Kx4bcE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-25T18:01:57.151+0000)

What rework? When was it?

the rework was a while ago.... look up some of the changes. pre rework was so much more fun your missing out man

It Hertz When IP1 votes

I never liked Olaf's E. The damage on it plus his R passive lets him build tanky and still deal strong damage; true damage no less, which is harder to itemize for.

I vote that it be changed to physical damage, with maybe a slight damage buff to compensate.

kaykalos1 votes

Olaf has a poor kit, with one op ultimate, because of his poor kit, olaf has more 'brute stats' to make up for his poor kit. My rework idea is this: his utlimate cant block infinity ccs (2 or 3 only) and u give him one gapcloser, i dont want a hard cc to his new kit, because olaf on my mind is a dps anticarry, not a tank (tanks supposed to have many ccs). Also i dont want dps buffs for his late, because that will make him frontline brawler like scarner, trundle (if they dont add to him gap closer, i dont want dps buffs) I dont want riot to change olaf's identity

3TWarrior1 votes

unfun to play as and against? really, I think he's only unfun when he gets absolutely stomped in lane by a good player, otherwise he's pretty fun

champions like urgot, evelynn, xin zhao and etc are much higher on the rework priority list

riot didn't even rework evelynn, they changed her numbers and effects to where its hard for her to even assassinate low hp targets

how about twitch? he's still a hyper carry, but his visual update and stealth are very underpowered compared to instant escapes and the ability to save a support, then a passive that does % max hp

kalista basically became twitch 2.0, just dropped the stealth

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