Playing Darius in high elo is asking to lose, and this is how you fix it?

Malicious Metal··38 votes·6,215 views

it's honestly just sad but Darius is currently a troll pick in high elo due to the latest few nerfs and him just sucking against coordinated teams in general. Just take this Diamond I game as an example: https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/33975253/darius.jpg This is Papa Dunk, he's an ex challenger Darius main and without a doubt a really good player, especially on his main. https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/33975254/darius2.jpg

But he struggles to win games with darius, despite doing exactly what his champion should do and really using him to his full potential https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/33975256/darius3.jpg He bullied the hell out of his enemy laner, got a lot of early pressure and almost won the game....

If he didn't pick Darius. This was a very close game and if he had played any other champion other than Darius they would have won. But Darius is just garbage. He's a pretty bad champion and he's held back simply because of his bully playstyle that just falls off a cliff in late game.

And here is how you fix it: Currently Darius struggles really hard in teamfights, especially later on in the game and his early game is overly opressive, which makes a lot of people just despise going up against him. So, I suggest changing some of Darius' abilities to siphon some power away from his overbearing laning phase and even it out more by adding more utility to his kit.

First of all:

Remove Noxian Might and add it his ultimate Currently Darius' pre 6 is really punishing due to the nature of his Noxian might buff and it makes trading against him extremely difficult. Locking Noxian might behind acquiring his ultimate would help make his laning phase less opressive while giving the enemy some breathing room early on.

Secondly:

Q should deal less damage when hitting one enemy champion but deal more when hitting multiple enemies. Additionally hitting multiple champions should apply more stacks of his bleed, capping at 3 when catching 3 people in his Q

This would bring his 1v1 down a notch but make him so much more lethal in team fights, where he should be able to excell due to the nature of the Juggernaut class where they WANT to brawl in the middle of the enemy team

And lastly:

Change Crippling strike from a 90% slow to a movement speed steal This would give him some way to actually maneuver through teamfights while functionally being the same in an 1v1 scenario.

Honestly, Darius doesn't need straight up buffs as he'd just become a pubstomper again but leaving him in this awful state should not be allowed. He's really bad in higher tiers of play and adding this kind of additional skill expression would be godsend.

Edit; Here's the proof for it being a high diamond/master-level game https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/33975258/darius4.jpg

94 Comments

Penns23 votes

why does everyone love darius lately lel

and why does that game show anything, thresh maokai j4 and lucian just opieop hehe

Fisher No Chains19 votes

Because of the boards' hate/love effect.

I could say that assassin X has been bad for a whole season in high elo, that post would get downvotes in zero seconds.

Malicious (or Rubick idk, they started doing the same threads) could say that Darius has been bad for 2 months and he needs buffs asap, and the boards would upvote it in two seconds.

Fisher No Chains16 votes

Well everything that's under 52% WR is a troll pick for Rubick (because let's be honest this post is 90% rubick-made).

Did you miss that post where he said that he would report everyone playing Ashe for assisting enemy team? Lmao

Mira Arya Enthe5 votes

Rubik who is the true writer of this post behind malicious metal, doesn't want to play anything low win rate unless it has some sort of cheap exploit. That is why this post exists rubick asked malicious metal to make it.

Malicious Metal6 votes

And Fiora got buffed for having 49% win rate.

In this meta where we got a ton of tanks running around Darius, as a Juggernaut with innate tank busting abilities should be able to be a good pick but he falls short due to him lacking the tools to actually play against competent players.

DuskDaUmbreon14 votes

She was buffed because she was going to shit, and Bramble Vest was just the nail in the coffin.

In a meta with this many tanks having presence, she should reasonably be above 50%, since the meta isn't because DPS is shit. If she hits below 50 in a meta she should be having a field day in...

Penns10 votes

no Fiora got buffed for https://i.gyazo.com/fdbb873716a29e7b3723935e1c63a406.png kappa

Darius beats most tanks in lane but how he gonna teamfite against tanks like Maokai and Thresh that cc him for a year? lul

He isnt strong but he doesnt seem like the number one troll pick in high elo

buff Fizz first hehe

Arakadia13 votes

Too many people upvote due to who is talking rather then the content of the post.

chipndip17 votes

Tell me about it.

Grizzlpaw15 votes

Juggernauts and Juggernaut-like champions in general fall off in high elo. Volibear Yorick Garen Udyr Illaoi

Thunderneedle2 votes

Volibear is useless in any elo. Illaoi might work in bronze.

Yorick is pretty good.

Mira Arya Enthe5 votes

And always will until they fix them being toxic stat sticks #Shyvana

Blåbæret1 votes

R u srsly crying about Shyv?

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

I mained her for years. She is a toxic stat stick like most old champions.

Blåbæret1 votes

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I mained her for years. She is a toxic stat stick like most old champions.

Lol k. Dno if you know what the word toxic means. Shyv gta be one of the least toxix champions in the game. So ya.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Toxic. Unhealthy. Damaging to the game's well being.

The Great Divide1 votes

That's cause Shyvana isn't in the meta too much right now. But her playstyle of just getting more gold and buying more stats is stuff that has been complained about a lot before (Tryndamere, Trundle, Mundo, etc).

And I think the dude who has mained her forever would have the better insight into the toxicity/unhealthiness his own main has caused....

THE RlVER KlNG15 votes

a Darius main lost once therefore the champ is garbage?

Darius has a 50% wr and a 9% playrate on op.gg. most balanced he's been in months, and that considering with this god-awful meta we have that is express-tailored to counter champs like darius

darius isn't weak the meta is just shit.

Mira Arya Enthe7 votes

It's not at all possible Rubick has an agenda

DU Baymax7 votes

Mostly I think it's just one tricking darius that is not effective anymore. You can't just blind pick him into every matchup and every team and expect to do well with him just because you're good at him once you get to high elo, because people will counterpick you and pick around you, and darius has some extremely vulnerable weaknesses that are easy to exploit if you are good at the game.

D357R0Y3R3 votes

wasn't darius considered a generalist by the board?

DU Baymax6 votes

you're gonna have to elaborate on that. I don't know what that means or why what the board thinks matters

Zero Skill Tank7 votes

This would bring his 1v1 down a notch but make him so much more lethal in team fights, where he should be able to excell due to the nature of the Juggernaut class where they WANT to brawl in the middle of the enemy team

This is not what Darius was doing when he was strong in low and high ELO alike. He used to run ghost/flash and bully a single enemy into nonexistance.

As much as Darius players would like to see him as a carry champion, this is the only thing that his kit is actually good at - if he doesn't massively snowball off single enemy, 'brawling in the middle of enemy team' is not a viable strategy for him.

Mira Arya Enthe7 votes

Yay one game cherry picked because Rubick asked you to use your rep to post this.

Automated Riven2 votes

I feel like this is unfair. Darius is bad at high elo.

Bottom Laner2 votes

Unfair? Possibly. Warranted? Definitely. Hotel? Trivago.

hhaavviikk6 votes

it wouldn't be fair for him to be strong at all stages of the game though that's why his early is strong and his late game shouldn't be ADC's laughing in the background

The Deckowner6 votes

Huh? Garen mains aren't even crying and Garen is just a worse Darius.

Glory975 votes

The thing about immobile melee champions is, that as soon as they are close to be viable in the higher elo, they absolutly demolish low-elo. Darius has a 50% banrate in bronze. I do agree that balancing should mostly revolve around high elo, but not if it means, making one champion kind of viable in high elo, but completly destroying the fun in low-elo. This is the point where we should respect more than 60% of the entire playerbase is silver/bronze or unranked.

kargish5 votes

Darius is a one man army. He's in my eyes the perfect juggernaut, able to man handle anyone 1v1, extremely durable, hits damn hard but moves as slow as a snail. There's nothing wrong with Darius at all, not even when it comes to high elo games. Juggernauts in general just tend to be easier to deal with the higher you go up the ladder.

You of all people should know this Malicious, as you're maining one yourself. When were any of these ever considered "good" in high elo Darius Garen Mordekaiser Skarner Nasus Illaoi Shyvana DrMundo Volibear

It's only the 1-tricks and mains that can make these champions work, and Darius does his job perfectly.

  1. He bullies his lane opponent
  2. He can safely continue to dominate the lane as a fed juggernaut is able to 1v2
  3. Weak against sustained damage and ranged opponents
  4. Requires a buildup before being able to do massive damage
  5. No mobility
MorganFreemanBot4 votes

It's really sad how bad Darius is past the lane phase; especially when the entire point of his rework was to give him a late game to aspire to. That said, this post is going to get drowned by people who hate him on principle.

YumaS2Astral11 votes

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It's really sad how bad Darius is past the lane phase; especially when the entire point of his rework was to give him a late game to aspire to. That said, this post is going to get drowned by people who hate him on principle.

One of Darius rework's problems is that it didn't solved Darius' main issue pre-rework, which is his completely opressive laning phase.

Tychusfindlay9183 votes

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One of Darius rework's problems is that it didn't solved Darius' main issue pre-rework, which is his completely opressive laning phase.

Not true, you could argue that it didn't go to the degree they hoped it would, but pre rework darius ACTUALLY HAD A BETTER lane phase than current darius, especially after the noxian might nerf that came out of fucking nowhere.

People seem to forget just how oppressive instant decimate and high base AS darius was. Too bad I can't have them time travel.

YumaS2Astral4 votes

Just because old Darius had an even more opressive laning phase, does not mean current Darius' lane phase isn't opressive.

Tychusfindlay9183 votes

Wait what... That's asking to completely DEMOLISH any 1v1 potential he had.

He's still a solo laner you know...

This whole idea is trash and would not sit well with the dariusmains community.

Mira Arya Enthe5 votes

It was Rubick's idea, he asked MM to post about it.

Tychusfindlay9184 votes

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It was Rubick's idea, he asked MM to post about it.

I still guarantee that if Rubick were to present his idea to the dariusmains subreddit and discord, it would be shot down by nearly all of its members, both the high and low elo members.

The idea is fucking trash, and the creator doesn't change that fact.

Mira Arya Enthe6 votes

The creator does matter. Rubick knows MM gets automatic upvotes which is why he had him post it.

Tychusfindlay9187 votes

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The creator does matter. Rubick knows MM gets automatic upvotes which is why he had him post it.

rofl u right

Malicious Metal1 votes

Or maybe it's because he got permabanned

Mira Arya Enthe4 votes

Maybe he should stop throwing tantrums when people disagree?

I Stealth I1 votes

When and how'd he get banned?

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Toxicity, more than once.

I Stealth I1 votes

But Rubick is still on the boards? His new name is ADC Morde Only

I Stealth I1 votes

Why exactly does Rubick want MM to post this? I don't get it

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

They are buddies and Rubick is banned. Plus MM has a better public rep.

invisiblecat13 votes

Darius is a champion who can deal 1k damage ults with just item 3071 as an AD item Obviously he is oppressive and a reason why he can't be buffed

Melledoneus3 votes

Honestly, if Darius builds PD along with his black cleaver, takes Stormraider's, and then builds straight tank after he's an absolute monster to deal with.

Had one steamroll my entire team in ranked because he came out of lane fed (thank you Singed) and we couldn't do a damned thing to stop him when he had a Rakan stopping our Kog from melting him.

Raid Boss Morde3 votes

You want him to be more sticky? 90% movement speed steal? He's already hard enough to get away from.

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