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Illaoi need kit adjustment.

Asud··2 votes·440 views

Illaoi is the most obnoxious champ in toplane. As a bruiser u stand no chance in fighting her, you basically have to dodge every single skillshot to go even in trades against her because u have to engage into her minions bcs she wont engage in yours she has ranged abilities. If u get hit by one tentacle u lose. And if you dont fight her she shoves u under turret bcs she can outpush basically everyone. And the worst thing is that there is no such thing as being "behind" as illaoi and thats just not fair every single champ in league can fall behind and be unable to fight anyone, but not her, u can have 10/0 score and attack an 0/10 illaoi and if u dont dodge every single tentacle u still can lose. Other than that Hashinshin is right top lane has become pure sh*t. So much counterpicking, on this island where its the most impactful. there is no such hard counters on botlane, there is no such hard counters in jg bcs u can just avoid them, on mid u can spam abilities to waveclear and reset to base every 2 minutes but ooh boy if u get counterpicked top ure in for a bad time u are all alone with no one to help u and u will get flamed for tracking in cs. UNFAIR!

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Cocho1 votes

I just wish all of her tentacles always showed the hitbox. I can dodge them pretty well but when three come down at the same time and only one of them show the hitbox, I just die

Shatter the Sun1 votes

You know. I see posts like these about Illaoi and I try to stay away but I just cant. So here we go again.

Illaoi doesnt really have a super great early game. It may seem like it if you are walking into her and trying to fight her near tentacles but even then she cant do much without ult and has to split her attention and burn mana to kill the clone which you can walk over and harass her off of it early.

What people dont seem to understand is that you dont have to fight her. Let her burn through her mana cause trust me, unless she has klepto or item 2033, she isnt going to harass you with 50% mana unless it forces you to back. There are plenty of options when playing against Illaoi.

These champs can duel her and it is usually skill based Fiora Renekton Gangplank Riven Tryndamere Trundle. Urgot

These champs give her a hard time Ashe Caitlyn Jayce Jhin Jinx Kalista Kayle Kindred Kled KogMaw Lucian MissFortune Quinn Rammus Sivir Teemo Tristana Twitch Varus Vayne Xayah Zyra

In reality she has a very easy kit to abuse and be abused by. She is also part of one of the unspoken rules of league which is, "never fight Illaoi in her ult." Itemize armor early with item 3047 and git gud.

Asud1 votes

Dear friend, thank you for discussing on topic. I took freedom to check your profile and i wasn't surprised to see that you main Illaoi with over 500k mastery points. Now i know how you feel with people attacking your champ, but truth is that in ranked you want to win your lane as hard as possible if you want to win the game, because the team can't carry you in more than maybe 15% of games in total and Illaoi stands between Camille Garen Irelia JarvanIV Jax Olaf Pantheon Shen Tryndamere Volibear and victory. And there very little any of them can do to win lane without getting their ass beaten. Also naming all the adc's as counters isnt fair because yes they can poke from a far but all it takes is one LeeSin orKhazix to kill them once and from that point on Illaoi has a free lane. Now the problem is, if they nerfed her she would become useless so they dont touch anything. The problem is her kit as a whole, its making her impossible to balance and therefore she is and will stay obnoxious to deal with. Its something like this: if enemy picks Illaoi all you can do as her lane opponent is to pray to go supper lategame where your team can fight and Illaoi becomes a punching bag like Darius unless she flashes in. Then she is devastating more than Darius Annie combined.

Shatter the Sun1 votes

I dont mind if you think illaoi is busted. Alot of people do. Generally she is a noob killer and the real skill in playing her comes in when people know how to deal with her. While she is a strong lane bully that doesnt mean she isnt a predictable and easily countered one. The strat to dealing with illaoi is not to win lane but no lose it. If illaoi isnt ahead then she is losing due to her being very easy to deal with if people know what they're doing.

Camille doesnt have to fight her at all. She can farm and dodge QE and if illaoi wants to get aggressive you can either back off instantly. If you get grabbed by E and are close to her and you see her ult just E away. When you know she has ult you have the tools to bait it and get out safely and she loses out. Her only option is to not ult till you use E to engage her.

Garen doesnt have to fight anyone if he doesnt want to. He can walk back and let himself heal up if he gets into bad trades or gets hit a few times. Illaoi will never do enough damage to kill him before he can run away if he hasnt fed her.

Irelia She can out play her way to victory but generally loses since she has no escapes unless there is a minion she can jump to. Bad matchup for her.

JarvanIV is similar to Camille in the sense that you dont have to engage with E and can easily save it for when she ults. He doesnt have outright damage without it so its alot harder to resist the urge to E in but if you do then prepare to dodge E and run from ult.

Jax is annoying and once again can do the same thing as the Camille. He doesnt it even better because of his stun. You queue up stun>jump on her>AA during stun and walk away. At worst she grabs your soul or hits you with E or Q. She cant even W during the stun so she has to rely on E'ing you mid jump and ulting either before she is stunned or after but jumping from behind minions makes this much more harder.

Olaf deals with her early cause of his damage. Post 6 is a no go as he has no escapes so if she grabs E post 6 then dont try to fight for it.

Pantheon QQQQQ never jump on her unless you want to die. No matter how low she is.

Shen like Garen , doesnt die instant when ER'd and can walk out with little damage done.

Tryndamere can fight her pretty well pre6 but after that he needs to be careful if she is building tank first over damage as he most likely wont be able to kill her. He can perma sustain from her tentacles though so he has that going from him. 1 kill is all he needs to shit on her though.

Volibear Since most voli take aftershock and they now have a new knock back effect, this matchup got more annoying. He can time his E to your W which cancels it completely and puts it on CD and can flip you while getting super tanky. After that he is just a melee champ that can pop. He can never kill illaoi but can be very annoying and make her burn mana.

Each of these champs have ways to deal with illaoi but one thing they all have in common is that you dont have to fight her at all. Just going even is enough for you to win lane. This is because she thrives off of having high base damage and very deadly abilities because they are very slow and easy to see coming. Everything she does it a big charge up to something and you have time to walk away as she preps for a big move mid fight.

The fact she has to flash in to do anything is something that can be easily exploited.

To understand her better, play her and then come back after about 25 games against people that know how to play against her. She loses more than half her effectiveness then and thats why her damage is insane because if you get hit then you deserve to get dealt that damage.

Asud1 votes

You know your champion. I respect that. Like i said her kit is a big mistake and thats where the trouble began. If they ever nerfed her tentacle damage she would become useless so it can't and will not be done. But i'm toplaner of old type, like someone said, when you go top, your priority is to kill. Now i don't have problems with killing other lane bullies like Darius Gnar Jayce Renekton Pantheon Quinn Teemo but she takes that from me i cant kill her unless shes stupid or i dodge every single ability and survive her entire minion wave which she never leaves. Therefore im always at mercy of my team not lose until mid/late, because she also cant be shoved so i can roam because her waveclear is better than most other tops. I mentally cant deal with being stuck under turret for 20 minutes. All you said in previous comment is mostly true. Yes, she is a noob killer, a great one, but so is Darius . The 2 champs i found to be good against her are Riven and Nasus . First because of her insane mobility that enables her to dance around and the second because HE WANTS TO DO WHAT ILLAOI WANTS TO DO TO HIM! XD He wants to stay under turret for 25 minutes stacking minions tentacles and everything that walks by. I just dont like champions who force you to certain pick or require you to be way better than the opponent so you can beat him, i dont think its fair that way. Similar thing is this guy Yasuo midlane, because most mages have little to no mobility, most mages use skillshots or have crucial projectiles, and he counters all of that, you also cant roam safely because if he finds you its gonna be funny without our tower. You need to be way better to beat him or you need to pray you dont lose while you're stuck under tower. Of course if he is a YASSUO wannabe who just got of his mommy's tits and finished potty training he is gonna feed all the way, but we are discussing guys who actually know what they're doing. I'd like to hear your opinion once more, as you seem as a reasonable person who actually thinks through what you intend to say.

Shatter the Sun1 votes

"I'd like to hear your opinion once more, as you seem as a reasonable person who actually thinks through what you intend to say."

Thx :D

On the note of champions that force you into certain playstyles. Honestly there isnt much you can do about that or riot can without completely stripping away anything unique to each champion. Matchups are healthy for the game and skill is praised. Kits end up countering other kits because of the way the game is made. Ranged to melee/ illaoi to melee/ ranged to illaoi/rammus to ad champs. You being better than someone else where they are at a advantage is just part of the game. Sorry if I sound like a broken record.

Alot of champions rely on something that makes them viable. I cant think of one that doesnt. She is anti-melee and anti-gank. Slow yet strong like how her class is suppose to be. Hard to kill because she heals from her main damage source but can be countered by item 3123 item 3076 item 3165. You are basically forced to buy either of those 3 items when going against vlad or any excessive healing champ. Why is illaoi any different?

You have to play differently against certain champs and the situations surrounding them, how are they any different from illaoi? Top lane priority atm from what I am seeing is either help your team with pressure via towers or teleport roams. Since its "coin flip botlane season", top lane is kind of a do whatever doesnt lose you the lane kinda game. How do you deal with matchups where you lose hard and cant out push them? It sounds like you are just craving action and dont have patience to farm out a lane. I saw that you play Garen quite a bit. If you were facing a Ryze does it feel the same as facing an illaoi? Shouldnt it feel worse cause you can never really get to him and he pushes waves super fast and shields/speeds up every second?

Roaming as a mage against an assassin is a no no in almost every case. Yasuo isnt even the worst offender of that compared to champs that dont need targets to dash. His WW is pretty stupid but imagine if yasuo didnt have that? He would be garbage. Even then, looking at how the minions are setup and what minions he has dashed to, you can tell alot more frequently where he is gonna end up. You are required to think more and thats fine. If you could play the same way in every matchup then why play at all?

As much as I hate some matchups, I wouldnt want to play the same laning phase over and over again. Thankfully not every top laner is a Riven (hard) matchup or a DrMundo(easy) matchup or I wouldnt be playing this game.

chaorex1 votes

honestly if they did away with her ult and replaced it with her e she wouldnt be so broken

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