9.4 on the door and Syndra is still garbage

Asud·Feb 16, 2019·6 votes·1,537 views

The title. There is time to hotfix my goddamn champion. She cannot win the lane against the opponent of equal skill. She doesn't carry earlygame. Most of the times she doesn't carry mid game. And she simply gets outscaled in the lategame making her utterly useless as a pick. She has negative winrate, with almost no pickrate which means only mains are playing her and still cannot make her look good. Why? Because she sucks. I have more detailed posts on this topic on my profile but i cant write them long every time.

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Ahri BakaFeb 16, 20193 votes

She isn't Garbage but Looking at Mid lane status the Top 10 mid laners , most of theml got Dashes on their basic abilities Zed Ekko Yasuo Leblanc Katarina Fizz and not sure if you call Lissandra E as a dash Special mention Irelia Akali pre nerfs The problem with Syndra not being that strong pick is her kit is made of skill shots that are being easy to dodge in this meta She doesn't have other problems and I don't think buffing damage or mana costs will solve anything Base stats at most

AsudFeb 17, 20191 votes

She is. You don't play her. And you don't play against her since she has <2% play rate in mid lane. So how could you possibly know about the viability of a champion you never see. But i can since i do play her and watch everyone that i find playing her. She doesn't do damage, She loses on waveclear, she has no kill pressure early in the game like she used to, like she is supposed to. Fizz isn't a top 10 mid, Zed can be dealt with somewhat. Ekko can be beaten, Yasuo can't but thats different story entirely, that champion should undergo a slight change and shd be forced in toplane where he has worthy opponents for good. LeBlanc is countered by Syndra when Syndra is viable. Syndra has 65% AP on her Q with laughable base damage compared to other champions who usually have 80% on their primary ability. She has no real passive. Her current passive should be moved to a passive of her ult so she can evolve like khazix does. She needs either a deeper mana pool so she can spam abilities in lane, or wider hitbox on Q and W or some utility like getting movement speed when she hits Q or perhaps some spell vamp, OR maybe even a shield of some kind even though i'd rather be scary glass cannon than scary galio VOL. 2

Ahri BakaFeb 17, 20191 votes

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She is. You don't play her. And you don't play against her since she has <2% play rate in mid lane. So how could you possibly know about the viability of a champion you never see. But i can since i do play her and watch everyone that i find playing her. She doesn't do damage, She loses on waveclear, she has no kill pressure early in the game like she used to, like she is supposed to. Fizz isn't a top 10 mid, Zed can be dealt with somewhat. Ekko can be beaten, Yasuo can't but thats different story entirely, that champion should undergo a slight change and shd be forced in toplane where he has worthy opponents for good. LeBlanc is countered by Syndra when Syndra is viable. Syndra has 65% AP on her Q with laughable base damage compared to other champions who usually have 80% on their primary ability. She has no real passive. Her current passive should be moved to a passive of her ult so she can evolve like khazix does. She needs either a deeper mana pool so she can spam abilities in lane, or wider hitbox on Q and W or some utility like getting movement speed when she hits Q or perhaps some spell vamp, OR maybe even a shield of some kind even though i'd rather be scary glass cannon than scary galio VOL. 2

I do play her ( Mastery 7 ) I do play against her but not always

Then tell me why was she a meta pick in season 7 and suddenly with no nerfs she became not popular ?

A wider Q hit box is a No Why buffing her ability that is fine and has a very short cd ? Mana costs ok but , she already has short mana costs Ms on hitting Q will make her overloaded Even with all those buffs , it won't help her hitting her Q's against a Yasuo and Irelia dashing around with minions

AsudFeb 17, 20191 votes

She was because everything was better suited for her. Her W could pick up multiple spheres allowing her to nuke one target and then pick up 3 balls with W throw them and stun whole enemy team. So her stun was better and more powerfull when W was maxed. She had more mana to work with so she could lane bully harder and not run OOM after 3 combos. Her ultimate did way, and i mean way more damage like numbers cannot even explain how she got bad over the night. Masteries were way better for her Thunderlords decree was great, as you could proc it with just auto attacks why enemy focused on trying to dodge the sphere which you would hold on for the time. Then the second and very important one was precision giving you magic penetration and lethality which helped in early auto attacks a lot that you cannot get now because its tied with mobile and stealth champions. You had to choose between "merciless" which was like new "coup the grace" and smth like manaflow band. assassin> deal 2 % increased damage when no allied champions are nearby. and on top 3% out of combat movespeed for roaming Then sorcery > ability and spell damage increased by 2% then you had fresh blood> first auto attack deals 10+(1 per level) bonus damage. then bonus AP 3 + 0.67 per level and lastly double edged sword dealing 3% increased damage from all sources while taking 1.5% increased damage. Now i will do the math for season 7 Syndra when she was an actual champion First of her Q had 75% AP ratio. Against a Veigar for example in season 7, at level 2 with Q E and 1 basic attack Syndra would do 260 dmg. Now veigar has more base hp and more health growth than he used to but then he would have 574 hp at level 2. So if she was to use 2 basic attacks in her combo she would do around 305 damage at level to which is more than 50% of S7 veigars hp. Now, today if we were to try this Syndra would deal 184 damage to lvl2 Veigar with Q E 1basic and electrocute. And he has 601 hp now and with 2 autos its 228 damage. So Syndra lost 30% of her damage at level 2 Her lvl2 combo with 2 auto attacks would deal 53% of Veigar's health bar, but nowadays it does 37% of his health bar. Now with the math done right im quite sure that being 30% weaker on early levels where she used to look for cheese kills is quite a handicap least to say. It's like you were this athlete who would compete on 100m speedrun and do it in 10 seconds but not someone stabbed you in the leg in the dressing room and you still wanna run but now you run 13 seconds like a grandma in decent shape. Also it took me 2 hours to do all the math so youre welcome.

Ahri BakaFeb 17, 20191 votes

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She was because everything was better suited for her. Her W could pick up multiple spheres allowing her to nuke one target and then pick up 3 balls with W throw them and stun whole enemy team. So her stun was better and more powerfull when W was maxed. She had more mana to work with so she could lane bully harder and not run OOM after 3 combos. Her ultimate did way, and i mean way more damage like numbers cannot even explain how she got bad over the night. Masteries were way better for her Thunderlords decree was great, as you could proc it with just auto attacks why enemy focused on trying to dodge the sphere which you would hold on for the time. Then the second and very important one was precision giving you magic penetration and lethality which helped in early auto attacks a lot that you cannot get now because its tied with mobile and stealth champions. You had to choose between "merciless" which was like new "coup the grace" and smth like manaflow band. assassin> deal 2 % increased damage when no allied champions are nearby. and on top 3% out of combat movespeed for roaming Then sorcery > ability and spell damage increased by 2% then you had fresh blood> first auto attack deals 10+(1 per level) bonus damage. then bonus AP 3 + 0.67 per level and lastly double edged sword dealing 3% increased damage from all sources while taking 1.5% increased damage. Now i will do the math for season 7 Syndra when she was an actual champion First of her Q had 75% AP ratio. Against a Veigar for example in season 7, at level 2 with Q E and 1 basic attack Syndra would do 260 dmg. Now veigar has more base hp and more health growth than he used to but then he would have 574 hp at level 2. So if she was to use 2 basic attacks in her combo she would do around 305 damage at level to which is more than 50% of S7 veigars hp. Now, today if we were to try this Syndra would deal 184 damage to lvl2 Veigar with Q E 1basic and electrocute. And he has 601 hp now and with 2 autos its 228 damage. So Syndra lost 30% of her damage at level 2 Her lvl2 combo with 2 auto attacks would deal 53% of Veigar's health bar, but nowadays it does 37% of his health bar. Now with the math done right im quite sure that being 30% weaker on early levels where she used to look for cheese kills is quite a handicap least to say. It's like you were this athlete who would compete on 100m speedrun and do it in 10 seconds but not someone stabbed you in the leg in the dressing room and you still wanna run but now you run 13 seconds like a grandma in decent shape. Also it took me 2 hours to do all the math so youre welcome.

Alright , thanks for the Info

But when I said Season 7 , I actually meant during Worlds and at the end of season 7 I started playing the game in the middle of season 7 so my Info is barely around there that time she was a decent pick even after the nerfs

Thunderlord being gone surely affected her , but it also affected all ranged champions since they have to auto or 2 and draw minions aggro

But honestly Syndra didn't really change from Mid Season 7 to now but with all champions releases and rework , it just feels like there are better options than her

AsudFeb 17, 20191 votes

I saw you red my new post but anyway. New runes hit her the hardest which happened at the end of season 7. And last attention she got is desperation buff on her Q in 8.15 after she got hit by both rune changes and AP item changes. Lost chapter change killed her all in at 6 which used to be way more powerful. Its just her early game that's an issue because she doesn't get the chances to snowball like she used to. She is supposed to get outscaled by others but she is not supposed to be even in early game power with those same champions that will outscale her. If they were to fix that she would be fine. If not she needs change in scaling or whatever so she can have a spot where she is a great pick.

Moody PFeb 16, 20193 votes

isn't Syndra fairly high presence in pro still or has she vanished from competitive too?

Akali is SO HOTFeb 16, 20194 votes

She's still picked in pro, but she isn't high priority most of the time.

Moody PFeb 16, 20193 votes

I can get behind a tune up then

AsudFeb 17, 20191 votes

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isn't Syndra fairly high presence in pro still or has she vanished from competitive too?

She is gone. Almost 100% Even if you pick her you're gonna lose. She does less damage than other mages, has less utility than other mages and way less durability than other mages.

JenivieFeb 16, 20192 votes

yeah she needs help lmfao

five oh tree Feb 16, 20191 votes

I want her to be good, but I also don't want to watch her in every single pro game for the next season. Apparently, neither does riot.

AsudFeb 17, 20191 votes

She was played a lot in Season 7, but her winrate during that time shows even than she wasnt pick or ban or by any means OP. Its just that those dummies we call pros, literally go into competition and say there is this 20 champions we are going to play or ban and they fuck over the entire series. Champions should have limit of games literally. One team shouldn't be allowed to pick single champion more than like 3 times in a competition. I can name literally all of them that they use. TOP Gangplank Jayce Maokai Ornn Shen Sion Urgot JG Skarner RekSai Nunu LeeSin JarvanIV Gragas Mid Aatrox Cassiopeia Galio Leblanc Orianna Ryze Taliyah Zoe ADC Kaisa cuz shes broken since release, everything else is optional. Support TahmKench Braum Janna Thresh cuz he is perfect Pyke Rakan And that would be it. Syndra on the other hand cant jump half a map like galio can, but when galio gets back to lane he is also stronger even though he doesnt have combat ultimate which is funny, Champion with roaming and utility ultimates should never be able to fight champions with real ultis after 6, but they are and i dont understand why is something so stupid allowed. Syndra has 65% AP ratio on her primary damage spell whereas most of the mages have around 80% which means she gets heavily outscaled. Her base damages are also laughable. Her W appears to have bigger range than Q but it doesnt, and it should be. Her is can be flashed, dodged to side if you are close to her and is unreliable in every way possible. Also does laughable damage. Her R used to be strong and it isnt anymore, perhaps for the best. But then she doesnt even have a passive> improve abilities when maxed LOL. Q does a bit more damage, still not enough, everyone else does more. W does a bit of true damage this one is kinda fine. E gets a bit wider cone LOLLOLOLOLO R gets slightly bigger range OMEGALUL So she actually doesnt have a passive. Lets compare that to other passives. Annie has a stun. Ahri heals and gets movespeed Anivia has egg Brands passive gives you pentakill Lissandra didnt have a passive now she has white walkers Lux has bonus damage Malzahar has a spellshield Orianna can autoattack you to death Ryze can build frozen heart and Abyssal mask and still one rotation kill the adc Veigars passive makes sure he gets 500bonus AP by the 20 minute mark Velqoz's means he can be 2 levels down and still do damage thanks to his passive And zoe's passive is called i missed every skillshot but im still gonna kill ya with my passive autoattacks.

Bishasaurus FlexFeb 17, 20191 votes

How long have you been playing? Because Syndra'a ult has always been a huge damage dealer, but the MYMU made a 7 sphere ult easily obtainable and the "press r to win braindead champ", meme was born.

I don't think it's fair to base her now off of how powerful she was during season 7, because she was too overpowered. Her Q used to have 50 percent base damage at level 1 . 50! Its now 70, back to how it was before then. Every buff has been reverted, and shes now back to her "happy medium", before 5.9.

The problem with Syndra is that any buff or nerf Riot gives her completely break her or make her useless. Her damage shouldn't be increased because she has good range and would be broken, if the damage on her W was increased, stacking with true damage would just be absurd. Her E isn't made to be used offensively, unless it can guarantee a kill. Her R is in a good spot I think. I dont have any problems killing squishies, and after every game I'm usually top dmg or a close 2nd.

AsudFeb 17, 20191 votes

I've been around for quite some time, and she wasn't overpowered in season 7, She was A tier in soloQ and S in proplay. I made a new post so you should probably read it for better understanding. What destroyed her was runes change and lost chapter change. Those 2 things. And she is nowhere near any happy medium right now, dont lie to yourself, she is trash even pros can't make her look good. Just do me a favor and read my new post. Those will continue until i get a rioter to chat with me. Like Andy Dufresne from Shawshank said IT ONLY TOOK 6 years. Well in dont give a damn. I dont understand how can someone who is paid to balance league leave a champion useless for 16 months. when yasuo was bad they hotfixed him in the middle of the week. Lux Ezreal... all those skin sellers dont stay weak more than a month. But syndra is left in a dumpster

xDogMeatxFeb 17, 20191 votes

I miss old syndras stack balls tech (q max increases ball lifetime by 3 sec) w can hold multiple at once ult blasts all at once nothing is more satisfying than that.

Bishasaurus FlexFeb 17, 20191 votes

As a Syndra main, I think she could use a tune up as well. There are other champions that carry harder than she does, but she's definitely not garbage. In fact mobalytics rated her A tier in high elo.

AsudFeb 17, 20191 votes

Mobalytics are clueless a lot of the time which you can see in their Q&A videos where they get roasted by someone and then go like ooh we had no idea or we missed it or whatever.... None of them actually play Syndra so that they could know. Midbeast tried and failed in Bronze or Silver im not sure. Any man who put Syndra in the same power basket with Anivia Ahri Zoe Velkoz needs to try to play her in ranked so we can witness him lose 500 lp worth of divisions within 40 games. Anivia has more control, more waveclear, more damage and more survivability. Ahri has sustain better CC, more damage, more mobility and roaming potential, also better waveclear. Zoe can miss all skillshots and still 100-0 you so i will stop here no more explanation needed. Vel'qoz can fall 2 levels behind and still 100-0 you if he hits everything, a luxury Syndra doesnt have. Also better waveclear. Lissandra is unkillable, Has similar damage but way more CC and such a reliable lockdown. Cheaper waveclear and better roaming. Malzahar has shield so he is safe somewhat. Waveclears like a boss. Lockdown. And can delete any champion in 3 seconds with his Liandry's build. I tried them all and they are all way and i mean WAY more powerful than Syndra. It's just i dont enjoy any of them. And i dont want to be stuck 5 divisions lower than i should be just because my champion sucks. She has negative winrate with minor pickrate. Only mains are playing her and even mains cannot make her look good enough. Its pathetic Edit: the 5 division thing is proven. In season 8 i tried to make her work and dropped to Silver 2 from gold 5. Then i said fck this. And i played Irelia which gave me 80% winrate. I ended preseason in Gold 1 with like still having 75% on Irelia. If there was time i would climb to platinum by abusing broken champion. And then i though that almost demoted to S3 playing my main. On which i have 200k over multiple accounts. Great joke.