Can every champion theoretically support?

Worst Kench NA··1 votes·2,038 views

I feel like support is one of the most open roles as far as what you can provide, so I've been thinking of doing something this preseason where I'd try to win a game as every champ as support. Would this be a good usage of my time?

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RookPusher2 votes

I'd say no. A good support puts the enemy on a plate for their ADC. Support presents "even YOU can get this kill" opportunities. Having established that - the difference between good and great supports is the frequency that champ can put the enemy on a plate.

Zilean does it a lot. Gangplank doesn't.

PhantomGG2 votes

Akali Azir Corki Draven Evelynn Ezreal Fiora Fizz Garen Graves Hecarim Irelia Khazix Kayn KogMaw Lucian MasterYi Mordekaiser Quinn Rumble Shyvana Skarner Tryndamere Udyr MonkeyKing XinZhao Yasuo Yorick

Took your consideration seriously and as a result I went A-Z of every champion whom I feel would make absolutely terrible support and have almost no way to be any use in the bot lane. The following problems they ran into.

-Lack of lane presence -Abilities will accidentally kill minions way to many times -Are far to damage reliant and without gold will heavily suffer -No actual poke or reliable poke -Lack of reliable cc -They can dive in but if they are in, they have almost no way to actually escape -HUGE LACK OF LANE PRESENCE

EDIT

this is purely taking lane phase into consideration assuming they are supporting a Varus a normal standard adc

PaintedLoyalty1 votes

Quinn can give enemies nearsightedness and reveal an area, so it's feasible, but yeah probably terrible..

Yorick can trap them and throw his E, and if he took relic shield he might be able to get away with using his Q to make graves, not sure if that stacks with relic. His ult can take turret damage so that could be useful in some circumstances.

Azir might be able to get away with supporting, but he's already a difficult champion to play apparently. His sand soldiers slow when they're sent somewhere and his ult knocks them.

Probably better than Quinn if you can play him but I agree that pretty much all of those you have would be horrible supports, just some aren't all bad.

Mysticman892 votes

I actually like W max tank yorick support and have had a lot of success with it, much more than I think I 'should'. I max Q last on sup yorick in contrast to solo lane yorick, although he can get graves from relic shield Q's, and graves will build up just since he's nearby.

Not great versus lucian/vayne and a few others with dashes that can take them over the wall, but pseudo-cc that isn't countered by spellshields/cleanse/mikeals/etc can get a lot of flashes, and maiden+yorick do a disgusting amount of damage together if the enemy tries to dive.

Sources of %health damage (E and yorick+maiden) do tend to be good things on supports who don't have a budget to build damage.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

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I actually like W max tank yorick support and have had a lot of success with it, much more than I think I 'should'. I max Q last on sup yorick in contrast to solo lane yorick, although he can get graves from relic shield Q's, and graves will build up just since he's nearby.

Not great versus lucian/vayne and a few others with dashes that can take them over the wall, but pseudo-cc that isn't countered by spellshields/cleanse/mikeals/etc can get a lot of flashes, and maiden+yorick do a disgusting amount of damage together if the enemy tries to dive.

Sources of %health damage (E and yorick+maiden) do tend to be good things on supports who don't have a budget to build damage.

Yorick is beautiful into vayne she just can't deal with how easily q-max yorick can kill her.

SeaChange1 votes

also, he's great with xayah, because his cage ensures her root!

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

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also, he's great with xayah, because his cage ensures her root!

His wall ensures pretty much every adc's cc. He's great against xayah also, since she can't dodge the wall with her ult.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

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Akali Azir Corki Draven Evelynn Ezreal Fiora Fizz Garen Graves Hecarim Irelia Khazix Kayn KogMaw Lucian MasterYi Mordekaiser Quinn Rumble Shyvana Skarner Tryndamere Udyr MonkeyKing XinZhao Yasuo Yorick

Took your consideration seriously and as a result I went A-Z of every champion whom I feel would make absolutely terrible support and have almost no way to be any use in the bot lane. The following problems they ran into.

-Lack of lane presence -Abilities will accidentally kill minions way to many times -Are far to damage reliant and without gold will heavily suffer -No actual poke or reliable poke -Lack of reliable cc -They can dive in but if they are in, they have almost no way to actually escape -HUGE LACK OF LANE PRESENCE

EDIT

this is purely taking lane phase into consideration assuming they are supporting a Varus a normal standard adc

yorick works

Mysticman892 votes

Lucian, yi, and kat are the only 3 who do literally nothing 'supportive' at the kit level, but could still function as kill lanes that require snowballing. (Kat does technically provide grievous wounds on her ult.)

Theres many more whose only 'supportive' effects are on their ults, and many whose 'supportive' things are super inferior to alternatives (considering vayne a 'peel' support because of her condemn is pretty crap for example).

It's something I've put a reasonable amount of thought into as I've earned almost all of my S rank chests in the support role (with another half dozen or so from aram), and theres a lot of definitely not optimal, but it can work supports out there (e.g. sup ori can build like and play similar to a peeling shield bot), and particularly if you happen to be good at any given champ it can make up for their not so optimal support kits.

I'd say theres probably 50+ champs that someone could play in the support role and not feel like they're blatently trolling, but making a point to force every champ into the role will just feel bad. You could certainly do it since you'll inevitably eventually snowball or otherwise get carried just by random chance no matter what you're playing as long as you're not inting, but theres not much point to it, and you'd probably get a lot of flak from teammates when you're pushing the far side of off-meta.

Kuromatsu1 votes

can u play non meta? yes. does it work? depends.

Mig891 votes

A good use of your time? no. Not every champ can support because a lot of champs require a lot of gold to be efficient. a lot of champs are lane bullies because they fall off late game where most real support champs are good throughout the whole game on a minimal income. If you want a challenge go for it but if you want to reliably win games I wouldnt.

SEKAI1 votes

Not every champ, considering there are champs like Master Yi in the game, who literally provides 0 utility without external factors from items hence not possible to perform as a support at a fundamental level. But theoretically, the vast majority of champs should be capable of supporting to certain degrees.

scribbles7821 votes

I'd say 2 of the worse supports are MasterYi and Katarina, because as far as I know, they're the only champions with 0 cc, be it slows or hard cc.

Quepha1 votes

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Can every champion theoretically support?

yes.

Would this be a good usage of my time?

no.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

What you have to remember is that it isn't about who can/can't support in a vacuum. They have to be able to support about as well as the other support, or they'll get outclassed.

You can make anything work at least sometimes, especially at low elo, but just because a Katarina snowball lane can sometimes win the game does not make Katarina a viable support.

On the flip side of that coin, there's a reason that Taric and Leona aren't played in top lane. Do their kits look okay for that? Sure. But their scaling and such makes them much better in bot lane.

Shiznyte1 votes

You can play any champion bot lane yes... will it work out / be good vs non stupid players? no not at all... in normals / bronze you can get away with anything for sure!

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

I'm gonna do this in ranked with every champ not usually played support. except the obviously shitty ones like yi and fiora

Blitz1001 votes

Support is a very open role because most people don't know how to play support. They're just salty midlane mains who got autofilled and don't want to play an actual supportive champion, so they lock in Lux "supp", build full AP, and just call it new meta or some bullshit.

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