Problems with Le blanc Revert (There are parts from UPDATE worth keeping which Riot didnt preserve)

Poske··4 votes·1,165 views

Now I ll try to be AS KIND AS I possibly CAN BUT THIS IS VERY hard for me because I am attached to Le Blanc.

Now first of all. I have been playing this game since season 1. Since there were only 25-30 champions in game. And I have mained LE BLANC as SOON as I saved IP to buy her to this day. I have mained Le blanc FOR 8 - 9 years.** I HAD A NUMBER 1 LE BLANC WORLD STATUS ON ALL relevant / irelevant sites**

You will not find a better Le blanc anywhere. You just wont. yes you wont

Stuff worth preserving

  1. Mimic Clone - Priority on this should be 9000%
  2. WQ Combo - Priority 5000%
  3. RR - Shadow of a rose - If we ll have enough space in her power budget, we mostlikely dont
  4. Her R cooldown should be SHORT just like live / old Le blanc. Hitting Q cooldown to 10,9,8,7,6 rather then it being 6 at all levels is my replacement to this nerf

Stuff not worth preserving

  1. Her old passive
    • I juked 10 000 times with this passive. I know very well its ins and out. YET I DO not want this passive despite me knowing that none ll be able to abuse is as well as I can. Literaly none
    • Low/Mid elo ll never juke on purpose with this, Because they cannot control it.. it ll just appear and by the time they start controlling it they wont know how to do it effectivly
    • High elo TOP 10 Le blancs world. I guarantee you. THE TOP 10 le blancs world exluding me ll only abuse the passive with useful juking 10-15% of a time. How do I KNOW? I have seen it, I already know. Its just a bad randomnish gimmick we have no control over, which even the best le blancs world suck at exploiting.

We would replace this passive with WQ combo. How?

Le blanc AoE Abilities (Just a Dash), Create a 1.5 sec cook time trigger on everything she hits with it. Other abilities who damage a target after those 1.5 second Proc a mark spreading to all targets (Bouncing would have usual speed and range, if a target dies mid Bounce it ll try to find a new target rather then vanishing)

Le blanc distortion does reduced damage to minions (Le blanc AOE damage would be seperate from her waveclear basicly - easier to balance) Le blanc Q bounce of distortion mark does different (lower % bassicly) damage to minions (this is how you balance the waveclear) Le blanc chain can no longer deal damage to minions. but the chain still gets stopped by them- you cant e though them. (To prevent W into E aoe damage / waveclear) Le blanc which farms with 2 abilities is more healthy LE BLANC. AS she pokes less due to having to farm with 2 abilities. And Removing WQ combo ll break some Le blancs hearths. Just like you broke our hearths when QW, QE became irelevant after rework (I actually prefer reworked le blanc she gained some new combos more freedom granted that is partially unhealthy)

WQ combo would be relevant, It would combat the QW combo in relevance for Poke (I estimate healthy 50/50 split) QW combo would be relevant since its old Le blanc QE combo would be relevant since its old Le blanc. Granted its weaker since WQRE / WRQE combos got weaker due to damage being bacloaded in E. It used to be a 50/50 split. Good le blancs would know when to Q>E over E>Q in their combos and vice versa. With Riot changes I estimate EQ- 60%/40%-QE split EQ combo would be relevant since it was always relevant but not it rivals QE - situationally WQRE / WRQE combos got weaker. Bassicly reworked Le blanc gained some combos but she lost the relevance of QE glad its back even if its a weaker version

WE combo is always relevant. Correct chase combo / Help your allies catchup is QWERQ (For those who dont know old LB) EW combo is underated massive animation cancel. Just bring this up

Note How in debth Le blanc would be after my change which bassicly just adds WQ into existance. #Keep in mind this are just short combos but they should all be relevant. LE BLANC IS A COMBO JUKE ASSASSIN

This is why I want her to preserve the WQ combo This is why I want her to preserve her clone spawn (with or without shadow of a rose RR depending on how much power budget we got)

LE BLANC SHOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT BE LOSING A **MIMIC **CLONE SPAWN -

Why is clone Spawn Relevant on Le blanc?

  • It is large portion of her damage which requires skill. Clone procs Lichbane, revolver (this is whats core not FKING GUNBLADE eh the amater le blancs)
  • It has 0.1 second mini stealth like trickster attached to it. Imagine having to stay on target for longer time due TO E being more backloaded without mini trickster ): Yeah.
  • Good le blancs create confusion any time they MIMIC. SHE IS a Juke assassin

Keep in mind guys reverted Le blanc is gutted version of OLD Le blanc Number wise here is why. Which is fine because I can suggest extra stuff I expect her to be at 43% Winrate with the changes they are making which is why I am suggesting extra stuff

#So this is why Le blanc can keep her Mimic clone spawn any time she mimics. This are all the nerfs Riot is doing compared to old le blanc

  • Her Mana cost on Q is going UP. ""Mana Cost increased from 40/45/50/55/60 to 50/60/70/80/90""
  • Her Mana cost on W is going up ana Cost increased from 70/80/90/100/110 to 80/90/100/110/120
  • The old Le blanc had 4 seconds rather then 3 seconds to snap back, + there wasnt blink back delay, Not to mention it was faster (It shouldnt have been * faster, Le blanc has more counterplay when her dash is slower, Infact it can even be slower )
  • Her Mana cost on E is going up by 30 at all levels. Its lenght is getting reduced (also a good spot to nerf, just like dash speed, Well done there Riot)
  • Her E is going to have backloaded damage (So yeah guys there is still tehnicly a delay). Weaker WQRE / WRQE oneshots (important long combos)
  • Her WQR combo is getting nerfed because her Mimic sigil ll have more damage on trigger compared to her normal sigil which has 50/50 dmg split
  • RQ Damage lowered from 150/275/400 (+0.6 AP) to 70/140/210 (+0.4 AP).
  • RQ Mark Damage changed from 150/275/400 (+0.6 AP) to 140/280/420 (+0.8 AP).
  • Her last Nerf is absurd Rising of her ultimate cooldown "increased from 54/42/30 to 110/75/40"". I cant stretch how big of a nerf that is.

Every day I use Le blanc ultimate sometimes even 3 times per teamfight. YEP FKING 3 TIMES (15 sec cd with certain setup) - Its her core ability. #LE BLANC IS MIMIC thats her identity its both Combo ability and juke ability. 110 seconds HUH.

** I suggest this nerf instead of fking up her ultimate cooldown. Sigil of Malice cooldown changed to ** 10,9,8,7,6 from 6 seconds at all levels. With this we should Keep the LIVE cooldown. which is 54 / 42 / 30 a bit longer compared to old Le blanc 40 / 32 / 24. Mainly because of ultimate hat.

** Le blanc ussualy uses her entire combo. Then she uses her q and none of her abilities are up to proc it**, this is one of the spots I suggest taking power away because it is feels redundant, wrong, incorrect at current lower cd anyway, is also makes her less point and clicky early on.

TLDR TLDR TLDR TLDR

Due to above Riot nerfs mimic clone spawn preserved, Old passive removed with changes which preserve WQ as a relevant combo, Ultimate cooldown kept same as live (still higher cd then prerevert but lower then the absurd they suggested) due to a replacement Q cdr nerf I suggested

WQ as a waveclear combo stays (Seperate minion Aoe damage from champion aoe damage for easier balancing). No longer ll WQ sometimes fail because it ll seek for a new target if a previous one dies mid Bounce flight. (Bassicly coded alike pyroclasam, Bugfix)

Now do we have enough Power budget to preserve Shadow of a Rose (RR) awell? Idk if we do, This is something Riot should add if we do.

And no its not just a scouting tool like riot says. I ll reply to anyone who wonders about all the ways you could use RR

Without my suggested changes. I do not want her reverted. Dont get me wrong Both Le blanc versions were my mains.

FULL REVERT WAS NEVER SOMETHING LE BLANC MAINS WANTED. THERE ARE STUFF WORTH PRESERVING LIKE WQ COMBO AND MIMIC JUKE

Most people who wanted a revert are:

Gunblade le blancs (clueless players who have no idea what her core items are so they come to boards and whine how they cant kill people).

#Imagine rageblade Graves whining how he cant kill people and Riot accepting a revert. (Yep thats the level of difference good build & skilled player makes)

THIS IS HOW I FEEL WITH THIS FULL REVERT. I fking hate THIS GUNBLADE LE BLANCS they arent A REAL LE BLANC MAINS

And there are Players who miss her W doing damage (not a rework fault, balance team fault) QW and QE combo being relevant. (This is me for example but I would never accept a **full **revert, partial I would because new Le blanc is great as soon as you drop Gunblade and learn clone procs).

**this isnt partial revert this is full revert with around 8 relevant nerfs **

6 Comments

TC Sigil2 votes

I agree with everything here. WQ combo is my favorite thing about the new LeBlanc. I love her playstyle it feels so unique and rewarding for playing those thousands of hours to make myself a noticeable difference from the people who just picked her up.

MY FAVORITE THING ABOUT ASSASSIN REWORKED LEBLANC

The passive that we have now is the best thing about her, about LEAGUE OF LEGENDS! I have spent so much time learning, and relearning her with her initial rework. I am very happy with the new (CURRENT) LeBlanc (3/8/2018). I really don't want to learn her, AGAIN...

SUGGESTED CHANGES

Make the Q do more damage at level one and and keep the current cd/mana cost the same. Like Poske said, I think we should look for a slight increase to R CD at early ranks. Also making the passive seek all nearby targets instead of going for a specific target and if that target dies the passive just stops. I'd consider this a bug in it's current state.

WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?!

What are we supposed to do if we fall behind? We cannot wave clear efficiently. When we do, we are on CD and the wave hasn't even died. It will take so long for her to clear waves. This just ins't healthy for LeBlanc. In addition, the ultimate (R) cooldown at level one on PBE is insanely high! If we want to use this to wave clear at levels (6-16) it goes on an insanely high cooldown. In this time frame we cannot kill anyone as efficiently and our roams are going to be really bad. Most champions will just out roam us while we struggle to stay even.

Like Poske said again, the LeBlanc on PBE isn't a partial rework. You are reverting her whole kit and giving her nerfs. And I can't seem to wrap my head around this logic you are putting onto my champion, WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE MY CHAMPION?!

Poske2 votes

I got downvoted because being #1 lb world and pointing it out makes you cocky

So yeah Le blanc is gone

You ll be Relearning?. I WONT be playing her at all. I already mastered old Le blanc there is no reason for me to play gutted version of her

TC Sigil1 votes

And what the hell is this 3 seconds to go back to her original spot on her W instead of 4? I really don't undertstand it.

Riot please respond.

Poske1 votes

Riot is clearly nerfing the old 47% winrate Le blanc version with 8 nerfs because they have some buffs in mind OR atleast I hope so

I actually agree with 3 second version 4 seconds feels like bullshit for my enemies

As long as countdown starts once distortion reaches destination so that it is consistent 3 seconds (not sure when countdown starts)

Rins Thigh Socks1 votes

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I got downvoted because being #1 lb world and pointing it out makes you cocky

So yeah Le blanc is gone

You ll be Relearning?. I WONT be playing her at all. I already mastered old Le blanc there is no reason for me to play gutted version of her

Well you know when you're both

  1. Not Master+
  2. EUNE

it's kinda hard to take a statement that bold so seriously.

Poske1 votes

Ironicly enough Eune has higher ranked playerbase then Na with constant High elo Euw visitors

I am ex challenger http://prntscr.com/ip3r52 peeked 450 LP top 150 on server

And I am like dia1 50 lp.. aint that far of curently

After I got #1 lb world status and challenger I lost motivation and dropped to top 20 or so. Just like many athlets in sports stop trying once they become #1

But yeah I tend to ruin good threads with cockiness

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