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Oh you won one game? How about you lose 7 now

Eternal Torment··27 votes·11,244 views

Matchmaking is pissing me off really hard today, to the point where I have to start agreeing with all the complaints I see on the boards about it.

The worst thing is that it always matches me against enemy one tricks to a counter pick of mine.

Oh I am playing morgana? Gonna fight a Syndra

Oh I picked Draven? Well enjoy 3 assassins in your enemy party, one of whom is a Pyke main

Mordekaiser? How about you have to deal with a Jax AND a yasuo and both get fed?

This is pissing me off so much. Matchmaking should disergard champion-specific winrates and solely match with high MMR players, not high MMR player's who's recent champion picks counter yours. This is bullshit. If I am already doomed to lose, at least give me a fighting chance.

Edit: After quite a few answers, I decided to answer to different comments, that aren't just shaming of either rank, mood or a no u debunk of the discussion (E.g. calling it anecdotes).

The complaint that matchmaking intentionally blocks you at some point has been one of the most consistent complaints there are. And with Client and death recap being addressed, skin favoritism is the only complaint that is as old as matchmaking. It has been downright confirmed that matchmaking gives you harder matches on winstreaks and promos.

Second of all, I am angry, but not necessarily tilted. I am not jumping at any specific person, keep that in mind.

Third thing to say. Lets say its true that matchmaking completely disregards champion specific winrates and matchups. Then I would like to know why it happens so often to a LOT of people that they receive precisely the one kind of enemy they can't fight. As I have served some of my own examples, shitty situations like these keep happening over and over and games end up lost at champ select already.

The big problem is that it always has to happen in streaks. How long has it been since people commonly had a win-lose-win-lose situation? Never. Its Win-Win-Win-Lose-Lose-Lose Its the main reason why climbing is such a pain in the ass that Riot had to introduce 2 new tiers to make it easier by separating the ranked player base on a deeper scale, making it less likely to be matched vs high diamond enemies with full low bronze allies.

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kyoyaoaaa10 votes

Heroes of the Storm is more fun

SovereignMammal6 votes

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Heroes of the Storm is more fun

BIG fact

Unusual midlaner7 votes

I was diamond on that game. Balance team was AMAZING as well as their design team. Only reason why no one is playing it is because blizzard stopped focusing on it, and most people had no idea it even existed. The meta revolved around good team comps and who can counter meta heroes, and even off meta heroes were still useful if you were good at the game. Not in league where meta champions are just pick-ban broken unfun trash and anything that's not S tier isnt going to get you past low platinum.

One day I hope a MOBA will come out that will force league to get their shit together or stomp them out entirely.

Mimr2 votes

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I was diamond on that game. Balance team was AMAZING as well as their design team. Only reason why no one is playing it is because blizzard stopped focusing on it, and most people had no idea it even existed. The meta revolved around good team comps and who can counter meta heroes, and even off meta heroes were still useful if you were good at the game. Not in league where meta champions are just pick-ban broken unfun trash and anything that's not S tier isnt going to get you past low platinum.

One day I hope a MOBA will come out that will force league to get their shit together or stomp them out entirely.

Eh, I quit that game when Blizzard openly said they wanted tanks and healers to be mandatory in a teamcomp if you wanted any chance at winning. Then what's the point in maining any of the other 5 or 6 hero subclasses when Blizzard makes the least desired roles the most powerful? If you wanted to climb you'd be stuck filling as a tank or healer because no one else wants to.

Sathelight1 votes

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Heroes of the Storm is more fun

I played it recently and it felt like Lol in Season 4-5. Even as an assasin you need to win 2-3 trades to execute your target and you're useless vs tanks and bruisers unless ahead. So that's nice.

**There're still 2 big problems with Hots though : **

  1. BS heroes and stupid mechanics that make some heroes even more unfair and unfun to play against than in Lol.
  2. I played 3 "ARAMS" with the same people cause their player base is scarce. It's sad cause the game is way more fun than in 2014 (minus those weird heroes I mentioned above).
mack91129 votes

Matchmaking has no idea what champions people are going to play. If you are on a lose streak it is the common denominator from every match that will have the most impact.

Yourself.

Eternal Torment14 votes

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Matchmaking has no idea what champions people are going to play. If you are on a lose streak it is the common denominator from every match that will have the most impact.

Yourself.

False. matchmaking is notoriously hated for giving you games you are meant to lose from the start in order to balance your MMR, typically being misinterpretated as the game trying to keep your winrate at 50%.

So no, it is not always your fault. That has been one of the biggest and most consistent complaints the game's community has ever had next to the client itself, death recap and certain game modes being wished to return.

Makarakarn5 votes

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False. matchmaking is notoriously hated for giving you games you are meant to lose from the start in order to balance your MMR, typically being misinterpretated as the game trying to keep your winrate at 50%.

So no, it is not always your fault. That has been one of the biggest and most consistent complaints the game's community has ever had next to the client itself, death recap and certain game modes being wished to return.

Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, now hear me out here this might sound crazy, instead of some kind of conspiracy type shit Riot is plotting against you, MAYYYBEEE it's just your fault or bad luck.

Eternal Torment6 votes

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Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, now hear me out here this might sound crazy, instead of some kind of conspiracy type shit Riot is plotting against you, MAYYYBEEE it's just your fault or bad luck.

No, the MMR thing has been confirmed. It's precisely why it's a consistent complaint to begin with. Conspiracies have never lived long, specially on the boards.

CrazyMonkeyCZ2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Eternal Torment,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l1sAczR2,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-29T04:16:54.607+0000)

No, the MMR thing has been confirmed. It's precisely why it's a consistent complaint to begin with. Conspiracies have never lived long, specially on the boards.

But you said one win and boom, lose streak. One game doesn’t even touches your MMR tho, so unless you have 75%+ winrate, it’s bad luck, git gud.

Ps. Syndra counters Morg? Lol

Eternal Torment2 votes

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But you said one win and boom, lose streak. One game doesn’t even touches your MMR tho, so unless you have 75%+ winrate, it’s bad luck, git gud.

Ps. Syndra counters Morg? Lol

Syndra has very low cooldowns and her burst destroys black shield, plus her W and E both outrange Morgana's own W placement. So yes, Syndra is a strong counter against morgana. Morgana has no defence against her.

funkdubious26 votes

Another ignorant argument without any proof yourself.

I was on a win streak, and literally hit a wall in my promos, where i've since gone 10 games with exactly 1 win. If it was me being bad, how did i win 8 games of the prior 10 games I played yesterday?

No, it was because I played well for a couple shjit games and it placed me on a team where I could tell the caliber of people was noticably different... better. And then after a shit game where a bullshit Riven made me go 0/4 with shit CS, just after that the teammates were noticably different... ah terrible. Noticeably.

The fuckign system is broken. Loss queues exist. All the streamers can specifically cite times of getting placed on terrible teams. All gathered together into one team, where the objectives achieved are totally one sided.

CrazyMonkeyCZ1 votes

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Another ignorant argument without any proof yourself.

I was on a win streak, and literally hit a wall in my promos, where i've since gone 10 games with exactly 1 win. If it was me being bad, how did i win 8 games of the prior 10 games I played yesterday?

No, it was because I played well for a couple shjit games and it placed me on a team where I could tell the caliber of people was noticably different... better. And then after a shit game where a bullshit Riven made me go 0/4 with shit CS, just after that the teammates were noticably different... ah terrible. Noticeably.

The fuckign system is broken. Loss queues exist. All the streamers can specifically cite times of getting placed on terrible teams. All gathered together into one team, where the objectives achieved are totally one sided.

So your argument is based simply on "I feel like". Not so much better than mine. I said after 1 win, that will hardly make anything with your MMR. MMR is changing in terms of dozens of games, your winstreak hardly did anything, it would look different if you had 75% winrate overall in ranked, then you would get 3 low winrate lower elo ppl than normaly, you hardly ever experienced that imo.

But I get it, it's easier to blame Riot :)

Zeyphel2 votes

Seriously, your inability to process information by yourself and your complete bias makes any words wasted on you worthless.

funkdubious24 votes

You have zero proof yourself, making a stupid argument. Since this is a team game, and the win or loss counts to 4 other players, saying "it must be you" is both stupidly ignorant and an intellectually lazy argument.

When you get placed on a good team, you notice it right away within 5 minutes... no inting, safe laning, good jungling.

When you get placed on a shit team, you notice it right away "enemy double kill" "enemy triple kill" oh lovely, bot lane just fed pyke and janna 3 kills. yeah it's gonna be that kind of game.

Makarakarn2 votes

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You have zero proof yourself, making a stupid argument. Since this is a team game, and the win or loss counts to 4 other players, saying "it must be you" is both stupidly ignorant and an intellectually lazy argument.

When you get placed on a good team, you notice it right away within 5 minutes... no inting, safe laning, good jungling.

When you get placed on a shit team, you notice it right away "enemy double kill" "enemy triple kill" oh lovely, bot lane just fed pyke and janna 3 kills. yeah it's gonna be that kind of game.

Simply the fact the you show such hostility to even the idea that something might be your fault sometimes shows how blind you are to that reality, I pity you.

Simplicate1 votes

Because it IS YOU sometimes. I mean you're bronze 4, borderline iron, so regardless of if you agree or not its a fact that you dont understand the game that well but once you realize that fact you'll be on the path to improving. Every game there's 5 players on a team and if you are in fact the better player you will win. There are of course unwinnable games where you cant do shit to come back from or get into but I find it hard to believe this grand conspiracy you, OP, and all these randoms downvoting sensible replies in this thread are indulging in is the reason you're hardstuck.

Edit: Looked at your op.gg also. Just a tip, stop playing Kayle if you want to carry and your team is feeding. She is a good carry champion when she has time to ramp up but you seem to need early/mid game power. Try champions like Jax and Tryndamere, learn their matchups and I PROMISE you will be gold ezpz. Personally used to play Kayle on my second account and even had a positive winrate but switched back to carry champions like evelynn and I win carry almost every game https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=OhWicked Or hey maybe riot just want me to win more.

Wimbledofy2 votes

How would that even work? Doesn't that mean for the other half of the players that matchmaking is doing the opposite? That it gives players games they are meant to win? There's no way riot is smart enough to implement a system like that.

mack91121 votes

It’s not though you will climb to your deserved rank and remain there.

You win till your mmr climbs to a rank that you can no longer carry your matches and once your skill improves or degrades you will climb or fall depending.

You are the deciding factor in your matches.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

People say that a lot, but...It's rarely ever actually true.

funkdubious22 votes

Such a bullshit argument. Matchmaking is placing me onto teams with players that I can see are shit. Dont CS well, Dont get objectives, just go for KILL KILL KILL.

Its fucking bullshit and that aint my fault my teammates think bronze is ARAM deathball fight up midlane while practically ignoring dragons, never engaging in setup for baron or dragons, and generally just not being good.

How is a decent player sujpposed to actually get out of bronze, when the other 4 teammates you rely on for the win are just not that into it.

CarpeConundrum1 votes

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Such a bullshit argument. Matchmaking is placing me onto teams with players that I can see are shit. Dont CS well, Dont get objectives, just go for KILL KILL KILL.

Its fucking bullshit and that aint my fault my teammates think bronze is ARAM deathball fight up midlane while practically ignoring dragons, never engaging in setup for baron or dragons, and generally just not being good.

How is a decent player sujpposed to actually get out of bronze, when the other 4 teammates you rely on for the win are just not that into it.

Add me, Volkswachter. I main top tryn and all I do is splitpush

mack91121 votes

Personally it was not difficult to climb out of bronze an indication that I was deserving to climb through personal skill.

If you are unable to climb out of bronze and are hardstuck you simply just need to get better which is not a bad thing.

Always strive to self improve.

Toxic Teeto1 votes

I kindly ask you, one last time, to stop trolling here.................

mack91122 votes

I don’t know who you are .... so why not start with a real conversation?

RavenMagus8 votes

Remember to take a break any time you lose 2 games in a row.

XJ999999999999992 votes

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Remember to take a break any time you lose 2 games in a row.

the best break is not coming back at all

Heko The Man4 votes

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=i+dont+need+it

I guess that he's just "lucky".

Or he carries every single game (which is obvious)?

funkdubious21 votes

So you can cite somebody with a win streak, who probably plays with multiple smurf accounts, and thats the basis of your counter argument?

It falls apart quickly.

Wimbledofy4 votes

And op's argument falls apart just as quick. It's all personal anecdotes.

Six Inch Heals1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Heko The Man,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l1sAczR2,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-06-29T08:26:20.409+0000)

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=i+dont+need+it

I guess that he's just "lucky".

Or he carries every single game (which is obvious)?

He has a duo bot lane partner.

Like...duh.

DuskDaUmbreon4 votes

Matchmaking literally doesn't pay attention to what champions you're going to pick lmfao

It looks at the MMR and the lane. That's it. Nothing else.

Stop trying to carry on pointless, nonsensical conspiracy theories about how Riot's out to get your LP, because there's no fucking reason for them to do so.

Zardo3 votes

The worst thing is that it always matches me against enemy one tricks to a counter pick of mine.

It doesn't, or at least it doesn't try to.

Matchmaking should disergard champion-specific winrates and solely match with high MMR players, not high MMR player's who's recent champion picks counter yours.

That's already how it works.

Look, I understand that you're tilted, but riot isnt out to get your lp. Take a step back and realize how absurd your claims are.

O Fallen Scholar3 votes

Let me guess, can't keep good mental in games? Too bad.

Zeppelins circus2 votes

I once lost 18 in a row in season 5. Was hilarious shit.

funkdubious22 votes

I was on a roll at 10 for a while

You notice your teammates being fucking clueless in those games you lose.

You notice your teammates being on the ball on the games you win and the games you lose closely.

That's a matchmaking thing thats basically the Loser queue. When you're on your way down, it forces you onto terribly player teams, and matches you against excellent player teams. My losses are so one sided it aint funny. 4 kills vs 40 kills is a very normal example. 2 kills vs 15 kills by 10 minute mark, and ironically the 2 kills are from me killing my top lane opponent. Rest of my team is feeding.

Uraraka2 votes

Not sure about champion specific match making, but I agree with point of giving unfair match makings which one can't win; the mmr doesn't take into account of champions played or to be played, but if a player loses a game next few games will have team mates of lower mmr and this is why a game lost can suddenly turn into a losing streak.

The current system doesn't work in a way where players can enjoy ranked games and works for forcing players to play lot of ranked games for climbing.

funkdubious21 votes

Part of that is the bullshit where you win and you get 13 LP, but when you lose you subtract 20 LP.

So a loss hurts you much more than a win helps you.

And lets forget about the inclusion of idiotic afk players that said "ff at 15" because they got killed twice.

funkdubious22 votes

I agree, if thats your observations. This matchmaking system keeps putting me on shit teams that keep thinking that bronze is ARAM on summoner's rift.

It's not. You get objectives, you split push. Instead my team balls up 4v5 in midlane and they all int trying to kill the chogath with 3000 HP and tanky as fuck. Idiots.

Meanwhile "report kayle" "report kayle" because i'm not in that stupid mess, because i'm trying to split push and force 1 or usually 2 of them to come deal with me, esp level 16+

So now the matchmkaing puts me on teams where we lose hard. one sided. bot lane is 4 and 20. mid is 2 and 6. top is, oh wait top is 2 2 2. jg is 3 2 2. but mid and bot have fed so hard, game after game after game. that I cannot carry.

"Oh dopa can carry a shit team" I'M NOT FUCKING DOPA. I CAN'T CARRY 3 IDIOTS.

Matchmaking is shit. Loser queues exist. Ranked keeps good players in shitty ELOs because this is a team game, but weak teammates drag you down.

Snipersd2 votes

Is their some kind of server buff in this game would explain why i get this a lot to where 1min you going insane getting like 20 to 30+ kills next min cant get a kill ! at all cant get close with some kind of aoe hits on basic hits ? auto path makes you walk around back around glicking out big time some how hitting dose not damage and they do same and do like 2 or 3x times the damage ! .

Heko The Man1 votes

In season 4 I fell from platinum promos to gold 5, it made me quit LoL for couple of months...

SIuttyHeals1 votes

Ive been having hard matches myself. One game last night mid fed like 3 times 6 minutes in. Hes pantheon he starts ulting on our bottom lane and i even use my q as lux under turret still killed us. Im unranked. Level 28, going and paired against silvers-golds even had plat before . Its not enjoyable

Mártir1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Eternal Torment,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l1sAczR2,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-29T02:46:25.767+0000)

It has been downright confirmed that matchmaking gives you harder matches on winstreaks and promos.

Where? Please show me where. Honest, I feel like Promos are "rigged" also. If you could show me the proof, I could finally show it to the world.

JarouCobiTheOnE1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1CuGf_yAks

watch this, it's rigged, that's why I'm only doing arams or rotating game modes from now on.

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