Pyke is a Horribly Designed Champion (The Healing Needs to Go)

Winterkill·7/21/2019, 3:03:41 PM·8 votes·1,657 views

= High mobility. = Hook. = Free heals when not seen. = Stealth. = Hook. = Good engage and stun. = Itemization that favors ward control. = ULT that resets with good damage and gives a lot of gold.

The problem I have with Pyke is his healing. I'm sorry but if Pyke gets punished for making a bad play, he can walk away and just come back with almost full health. I just punished him and he is back up to full health. Why does he get to have full health after being punished, along with all the damage, CC and high mobility he already has? Something on his kit needs to go or there needs to be WAY more times to punish this champion. Honestly, I won't be coming back until he is gutted. I'm tired of new champion design where a champion is just overloaded with mechanics and stats. It's just bad champion design. I don't understand why he has to have so much sustainability after being punished, when he already has very good mobility, damage and CC.

6 Comments

en2que7/21/2019, 5:37:29 PM4 votes

He legit looks like a certainlyt champ.

Hyperscaling lane bully? Check. Direct upgrades to another ability just because "this one is a skillshot"? Check. Broken mechanic that can let you single handedly win the game by pressing R? Check.

Just imagine if he ACTUALLY designed pyke. 5-6 charges on E, ult adding 1-2 mins to respawn timer, Q tap probably being true dmg...

boricCentaur17/21/2019, 3:18:01 PM1 votes

WHY DO PEOPLE ACT LIKE HE HEALS TO FULL like if you're going to make a post about something you want removed CAN YOU PLAY OR READ THE THING YOU WANT REMOVED FIRST!!!! Pyke will NEVER EVEN and I mean even heal anything close to full hp in laning unless you are just doing like 6 damage. His passive lets him be safe from poke well most poke he still won't heal every.

Like wtf do you mean free IT HIS FUCKING PASSIVE THAT'S LIKE SAYING WHY DOES MAOKAI GET FREE HEALING. It's so fucking stupid to say.

Maybe the problem is that YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY DO DAMAGE TO HIM Like I'm sorry but he is very easy to punish in a bad play like one cc on him and he is gone in almost every team fight. Laning he can heal but not much only enough to stop lite poke at best.

Also he if he uses his cc THEN HE DOESN'T HAVE HIGH MOBILITY anymore.

So how about you look up the passive to actually KNOW HOW IT WORKS.

TakaDama7/21/2019, 3:24:11 PM1 votes

While I agree his healing is obnoxious to deal with, I believe it simply needs to be reworked so that he doesnt have more staying power after a bad trade compared to, say, Garen or Mundo; after all, he can't build HP to help make him tanky.

I would actually have it so his passive HP/5 doubles each second while unseen; this would keep him out of lane a little longer while also making it take a little more time or effort to make use of his passive ability to detect when wards are nearby.

Emperor Talquin7/21/2019, 3:40:49 PM1 votes

I would rather they focus on nerfing overloaded champs like Kai'sa.

Teh Song7/21/2019, 4:05:31 PM1 votes

Pyke has one of the most easily dodgeable kits in the game. Q, easily dodged. E, easily dodged. R, easily dodged.

Q is as any line attack with non-instant movement speed is. E has a delay, a clear indicator, and requires himself to be in risky positioning. R is an X. It's size isn't that impressive, and it's an X. You don't even half to get out if range, just between the lines.

His ult is an execute. Especially since the new patch, it deals minimal damage. He can barely hurt you with it. Below threshold is death by execution, above threshold it just tickles you. You can heal after his animation starts and get back above threshold. It happens all the time, even just from lifesteal.

Pyke can't get more hp. Most defensive items are trash on him because without the HP they lose so much gold efficiency, and without HP gains armor/Mr is only so effective anyway. The sustain from Pyke's W is his only real defensive option. Without it he'd be nothing; unplayable.

Pyke isn't going to get your hp low enough for execution by himself. His kit outside ult is utility; 2 CC's and his sustain, with minimal damage. His execute will kill you, sure, but only if his team did the rest of the damage first. In short, he's not really an assassin, because he can't assassinate. He's just an executor. He even has voice lines when he dies in a 1v1 to remind the player that he's not supposed to be able to 1v1. "I work better with a crew." "Needed more hands." Etc.

Pyke is hands down the most gold reliant support in the game. Without the ability to raise your hp if you need extra defense you have to be able to buy more armor/mr than other supports. Because of his lethality scaling you want to get all 3 lethality items. He doesn't have any defensive skills for use on allies so if you want/need something like that you have to get an item for it. On top of all that, picking Pyke into a team is a composition choice to have a support with less support utility as a trade off for increasing your team's gold advantage, but Pyke needs his own gold to pull that off. As a support, he's not getting much cs, so he needs his ult gold to compensate.

If your having trouble against Pyke supports here's a tip for you: you counter him by attacking his adc, because if you scare them off he can't do s--t anymore.

Sinister Anubis7/31/2019, 12:56:55 AM1 votes

I completely agree. I played vs him as kennen and did free trades on him in lane and he just went out of sight and healed back rather fast. He didn't miss much cs and was at near full hp and if he had any type of potion especially refillable you just can't get him out of lane or punish him hard enough and ganking him is a nightmare cause of his W and E not to mention the ability to out play with his Q and flipping people behind him.

I feel like the healing needs to go away completely, or he can't only get back half the harass or 40% or have the healing take longer to effect him and not be a instant thing where the moment he goes unseen he starts healing back rapidly they could slow the healing as well.