What's the point in mastering a champ.....

Vekkna·Dec 17, 2015·1 votes·658 views

...over hundreds of games when you can play these guys for a few games and get better results?

average 13 games, 55% WR average 23 games, 53.5% WR average 24 games, 54.5% WR average 36 games, 54.7% WR average 24 games, 53.3% WR Or maybe

What do these champs all have in common (aside from Gangplank)? No changes on the PBE. Why are outliers just not being fixed?

In mid, Zyra and Morgana are tied with Lux's win rate. The two of them combined have less than 1/3 of Lux's play rate. Morgana's average games played is 28% higher than Lux's and Zyra's is 118% higher than Lux's. So why are we nerfing for getting the results Lux gets in the hands of less experienced players.

How does any of this make sense?

11 Comments

Faith BreakerDec 17, 20159 votes

None of what you said makes sense. Literally. What the hell are you even talking about? What are you even mad about? Seriously, like, why what are you trying to communicate? Your post is obscenely obscure

VekknaDec 17, 20151 votes

TL;DR: The state of balance is such that you can play many champs for hundreds of games and do worse than you would after 10-40 games on the champs in the OP. And Riot is apparently OK with this enough to not change any of them.

Again with balance, FQC is getting nerfed because it's being picked up in mid, mostly by Morgana and Zyra. It's considered "too strong," but the average of "too strong" is still only equal to less-experienced Lux players.

Faith BreakerDec 18, 20151 votes

Ah, the reward for effort, the harder you try the better you perform thing. Then that being negated by not even trying on another champ and doing better. Riot calls this balance.

alasarcherDec 17, 20151 votes

Your thread kinda doesnt make alot of sense. How is FQC nerf related to Lux. Are you talking about your personal stats? And those champions you listed, are you saying they are broken in some way? And PBE is just testing ground, how in the world are changes on PBE related to champions win rate in ranked?

VekknaDec 17, 20151 votes

It's being nerfed because it's too strong, but "too strong" is only equal to Lux. So what's the point in nerfing an item that's only getting good results for experienced mains at a whopping 4% play rate?

PBE is patch notes in progress. These champs have win rates that are extremely out of proportion to their average games played, and most of them aren't considered anomalous (like super-toxic kits). Yet none of them have any changes being tested on the PBE.

I want to know why people think this is ok.

Obungo Dec 17, 20151 votes

They only real game breaking "OP" champions are Dr. Mundo, MF, and Jax. Maybe Tahm. All these champions are a free win if the person playing them has at least half a brain, and theres usually no counter play.. Aside from them other champs can easily be countered by skill.

Makior72Dec 17, 20151 votes

Thought raka recently got nerfed or has nerfs coming?

Whats wrong with voli and shen? (shen is getting a rework soon anyway)

I dont understand why you seem to be complaining about most of those champions...

Little Stick ManDec 17, 20151 votes

All I see is very vague complaining

dangopeeDec 17, 20151 votes

I think he's arguing that certain low skill floor/ceiling champions have a high win rate right now and he doesn't like this.

VekknaDec 17, 20151 votes

Most of them aren't inherently low-skill. Tuning is out of whack enough that kit difficulty has no relationship to skill curve or win rate. Most of these are pretty extreme examples, particularly when you take into account the inherent difficulty of playing an immobile squishy (like MF or Brand)?