Camille's kit is overloaded

Martian Spartan·Dec 29, 2016·58 votes·4,499 views

I hate to be that guy. On release she didn't even seem like much, and being out played by a few good Camilles was fine, but after more than a few games with her on the enemy team I have to say; I honestly don't know how you plan on balancing Camille. There's just so much things she's good at. Her ults duration needs to be decreased, passive shield decreased at earlier lvls, the slow is WAY to powerful for how large of a range it is(seriously try playing a melee against her) and to top it all off, she has a gap closer that is unnecessarily large.

(PS lets not forget the mixed true damage)

49 Comments

IA9hRfpP5qDec 29, 201622 votes

Riot's Rationale for Overloaded Melee Champions such as:

Riven Yasuo Ekko Camille

"Their weakness is that they are melee. xD"

Fuck. Riot. Balance.

AhristocatsDec 29, 20169 votes

not balance team fault if design team is stupid

MelledoneusDec 30, 20163 votes

Balance team: We need champions with decent numbers of levers to work with.

Design team: Here's this overcomplicated pile of shit. Enjoy.

Balance team: Great, as if the players didn't hate us enough for not nerfing Lee already...

Music team: Of course! They'd never guess WE were behind that decision! Mwuahahahaha!

DHBGrimReaperDec 29, 20165 votes

[{quoted}](name=Whitney Houston,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kdTBgkVZ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-12-29T13:33:31.762+0000)

Riot's Rationale for Overloaded Melee Champions such as:

"Their weakness is that they are melee. xD"

Fuck. Riot. Balance.

Not really, their reason is "high skillcap xd"

SUPERX4PANDADec 29, 20163 votes

Riven's kit isn't nearly as overloaded as Ekko's or Camille's. At least she doesn't have slows, % HP damage, true damage, movement speed, attack speed, etc.

Troll for TrumpDec 29, 20161 votes

For the time of her release, it was, and it set a standard for future champs to be even more overloaded than her.

Spaceman5pffDec 30, 20161 votes

To be fair, riven can get an effective item 3087 worth of attack speed at level 1 by utilizing perfect Q cancels

AirKingNeoDec 29, 20162 votes

Yasuo's kit isn't that overloaded. He's got 2 passives, a kinda simple Q, a projectile wall, a dash, and some ult thingy. That's not at lot. His cooldowns are just so low.

General Esdeath Dec 30, 20162 votes

"melee"

Riven ult increases her range plus her mobility.

Yasuo Q has extra range and a tornado, plus incredible mobility.

Ekko Has a projectile Q, gap closer that can go over walls, a redo button, and an aoe stun guaranteed to give a shield.

Asayake 5150glowDec 30, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Whitney Houston,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kdTBgkVZ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-12-29T13:33:31.762+0000)

Riot's Rationale for Overloaded Melee Champions such as:

"Their weakness is that they are melee. xD"

Fuck. Riot. Balance.

Kite Riven, interrupt her third Q with knock ups/backs/asides and you will be able to fight her like anyone else. I think the reason people think she's overloaded is that she can literally jump into the middle of the enemy team and kill all the carries, due to having tons of aoe CC and an ult that will delete any carry. Although tbh that is only using maybe 5 parts of her kit, passive, Q knock up and dash, W stun, casting R during E, and R2.

Pakku Ito Dec 29, 20167 votes

I don't get this Camille crying at all. She's supposed to be good against tanks, yet she is in a major disadvantage against almost every tank. Almost every little cc blocks her engage and then she's mostly fucked. If your bothered by her, ban her in your games. I have played against a couple of Camille's in rankeds and I must say she's not as strong as many other champ (Vi, Heca, Cait...). Her true dmg is also not the biggest in the game when you take it that way. There were similair threads to this when Taliyah came out and now you barely see her lol.

Sozan5Dec 29, 20164 votes

Yeah, I wonder if all those nerfs to Tali could've had something to do with that.

DoktorKaiserDec 29, 20161 votes

She is literally a 100 times better version of Hecarim or Vi, hell she is maybe even as strong as Lee Sin, you should stop smoking weed son...

Covert Ops GnarDec 29, 20166 votes

I say this on boards day before she's released

response: "you're a retard"

she comes out

same stance

boards: "omg she is so overloaded"

Cosmic WarperDec 30, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Covert Ops Gnar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kdTBgkVZ,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2016-12-29T21:46:11.809+0000)

I say this on boards day before she's released

response: "you're a retard"

she comes out

same stance

boards: "omg she is so overloaded"

People think that it's dumb to judge something before it's released.... yet most of the time when some people in the community claim that a champion's kit is overloaded or broken, they're usually right.

MohawkBirdDec 30, 20161 votes

It is dumb to judge something before it's released. Lately especially, we've had a lot of champions who needed buffs instead of nerfs after they were released. It's better we let the majority of the playerbase check out the champion instead of complaining after only a few people have tried it.

OleandervineDec 29, 20165 votes

You know her slow only applies if you're in the outer half of her sweep, right? If you move towards her into the inner arc, you won't get slowed.

DoktorKaiserDec 29, 20164 votes

Which will never happen because she can move at full speed while casting it, so I dont see the point of those 2 zones...

IceKingChernobogDec 29, 20161 votes

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You know her slow only applies if you're in the outer half of her sweep, right? If you move towards her into the inner arc, you won't get slowed.

thank you for that little tidbit.

YoungFarmerDec 29, 20162 votes

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You know her slow only applies if you're in the outer half of her sweep, right? If you move towards her into the inner arc, you won't get slowed.

Isn't that kind of counter productive though... "I'm trying to run from her! lets just turn the fuck around and hug her so I don't get slowed."

SleepiestRobotDec 30, 20161 votes

Her heal also only applies to the outer ring, so running into the inner ring cancels her heal. Or, you can be Panth cancer like me and W her.

Very Hard EngageDec 29, 20165 votes

you dont need to be complex to be perfect

Chogath Rammus Blitzcrank Gragas Morgana

im tired of paragraph abilities

An Undead bratDec 29, 201612 votes

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you dont need to be complex to be perfect

im tired of paragraph abilities

Eh, Rammus is tbh toxic design with no counterplay than stay out of range...

DJMason88Dec 29, 20164 votes

item 3140

Very Hard EngageDec 29, 20166 votes

rammus has seen nothing but nerfs for 4 years now. you telling me he was broken 4 years ago? no. riot just kept releasing squishier and more mobile champs and rammus just so happens to do well against those types of things. rammus has and will always be a stat check.

back in the day 2 aps was common and an adc wasn't always a thing.

rammus is easily countered by any other front liner/tank or general kiting.

TeCoolMageDec 29, 20162 votes

So? Doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

Sozan5Dec 29, 20165 votes

I believe reducing some of the power of all her abilities (not necessarily damage) would be best bet by now:

Q: Mana cost increased to 45 (from 25 at all ranks) Restores 10 mana if it kills a unit (maximum of 20) W: Slow reduced to 30/45/60/75/90% (from 90% at all ranks) E: Mana cost increased to 50/60/70/80/90 (from 50 at all ranks) Added 0,25s delay before being able to activate Wall Dive. R: Animation is 2x faster (so, from 1 second to 0,5s, I believe). Untargetability removed.

While this may seem like a lot at first (hurr durr, a lot of text), most of them are not really significant, but I feel like they target all that completely unnecessary power she has, while leaving her actual strengths intact.

DoktorKaiserDec 29, 20164 votes

I love how that overloaded E with fuckton of things to do costs 50 mana at all ranks. Can you imagine any older champion having skill that fucking overloaded cost 50 mana? That is one of the most frequent problems with RIOT's recent champion design, mana costs are pathetic and more and more manaless champions are being released and god knows they brought nothing good to the game, just cancer. They should slap 100 mana cost on that fucking E and be done with it.

Sozan5Dec 29, 20165 votes

I know, right?

Mana costs used to be appropriate to what the skill does and now everything is cheap. Ekko Q is 50-90 mana for fucks sake. He can clear entire waves of minions with a single cast and it costs next to nothing.

On the other hand, WW Q is 70-110 mana (yeah, that move where he spins and deals decent damage to a single target). Hell, Teemo W is 40 mana and that shit literally gives you 20-52% ms on cast for 3 seconds (with 17s cooldown too), while Camille E is 10 mana more and gives you 2 jumps, significant damage, 1s stun and 40-80% bonus attack speed for 5 seconds. All on 16-10s cd.

Really, Rito should up the mana cost of such abilities by A LOT. Make dodging them significant.

BellowsDec 29, 20164 votes

LOL I love how I make a post about the same shit and get downvote but someone makes a similar thread and gets upvotes.

Seriously, fuk all you 12yr olds on this board.

BuddelmuddelDec 29, 20161 votes

Yep, when you open a thread you have to up vote it once or twice yourself - then people think it is worth consideration. Additionally the tone of the text has an effect, but yes generally its pretty dumb.

KING ATTILADec 29, 20161 votes

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LOL I love how I make a post about the same shit and get downvote but someone makes a similar thread and gets upvotes.

Seriously, fuk all you 12yr olds on this board.

I have the same feels. Your comment got downvoted for being a huge meany calling people twelve year olds! For shame! I made a post about the snowball surrounding bot lane being too strong and get downvoted. Meanwhile another guy made the same fucken post but gets upvotes. This boards community is full of pussies.

AcidTheWarlockDec 29, 20164 votes

Not gonna say if Camille is balanced or not, since I don't have much experience against her, but I played a game of AurelionSol top and she ulted me in the jungle when we were both at 50% HP.

I got some hits with normal stars, ulted, threw on W, and killed her.

She's squishy af if she doesn't build tank stats, it seems.

MohawkBirdDec 29, 20166 votes

But she does build tank stats. That was probably relatively early where she only had a triforce or something. After two damage items Camille's starting getting very tanky.

MelledoneusDec 30, 20161 votes

She has better base HP than half the tanks in the game and several juggernauts.

Unpermabannable Dec 29, 20164 votes

I made the same post and got down voted when she first came out. You'd have to be bronze to not see how overloaded she was on paper.

Tik115Dec 29, 20164 votes

Make it so if she dies her ult immediately deactivates lower travel speed of her E Lower health gained on her W (Or increase it but only make the heal work on champions) Make the Q true damage not bullshit

I'd be happy with at least one of these

Cosmic WarperDec 30, 20161 votes

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Make it so if she dies her ult immediately deactivates lower travel speed of her E Lower health gained on her W (Or increase it but only make the heal work on champions) Make the Q true damage not bullshit

I'd be happy with at least one of these

I'd rather just nerf some of her ult mechanisms and remove the attack speed gained by her E. It already stuns and gapcloses/escapes, it doesn't need more benefits.

MLDzXnRRRDec 30, 20161 votes

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I'd rather just nerf some of her ult mechanisms and remove the attack speed gained by her E. It already stuns and gapcloses/escapes, it doesn't need more benefits.

She has one of the worst AS for a fighter in the game. And the only problem is the stun... She will be still OP when they nerf her base dmg or hp, just because of the stun giving enough time to burst a squishy.

GrReaper96Dec 29, 20163 votes

Honestly i think her E gives her too much. Its a gap closer and an escape and a burst and a cc and a attack speed boost all in one skill.

Supreme Senpai69Dec 29, 20161 votes

Ult duration increased. Please. Like, seriously. I didn't have too much of a problem with her it's just she has insane mobility and can super easily get to you to ult you. I outplayed her pretty hard as Zyra; I snared her and ulted, buying some time. But I still couldn't get out!! And I can't 1v1 her either, only certain champions can. Yes, if she isn't fed I can 1v1 her... but if she isn't fed, she isn't going to ult! It just lasts too damn long for what it does.

MLDzXnRRRDec 29, 20161 votes

Hey, RiTO is making money from the champion sales and skins; if she is weak, noone will buy her or her skins. Wait 2-3 months and she will become weak as Reksai, GP and the other OP shit that got nerfed so many times/

Martian SpartanDec 29, 20161 votes

Just b/c riot is making money doesn't make it healthy for the game.

SleepiestRobotDec 30, 20161 votes

I don't think that was the point. I think he means to say that Camille's issues aren't going to get resolved until she stops making them so much money just by being new and FOTM.

DarkinlegendDec 30, 20161 votes

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Hey, RiTO is making money from the champion sales and skins; if she is weak, noone will buy her or her skins. Wait 2-3 months and she will become weak as Reksai, GP and the other OP shit that got nerfed so many times/

So we all realize then that Riot doesn't have a business model that allows them to make money AND keep the game balanced? I mean, clearly they think they need to make champions popular to make money.

I would rather just pay $5 a month. 66 million players times 5 bucks okay so maybe not everyone will want to pay. SO they lose 20 million players. let say 40 million players paying 5 bucks each is 200 million a month, and 2.4 billion a year. Do they really make more than that selling skins?