Why do bronze, silver and gold players think they know what they are talking about when it comes to

Indominus Blade·Aug 16, 2015·8 votes·5,725 views

Gameplay and balance? even riot officially stated that they base their balancing on platinum+ elo. They don't care about what happens in bronze, silver and gold, because those people are clueless and don't know what they are doing. How delusional can you be if you think your opinion is better or just as valid as that of a diamond player? They are higher elo than you not just because they might have better mechanics and skill, but also because they understand champions and the game better than you.

Why don't you learn from them and listen to what they say, instead of arguing and saying "la la la my opinion is just as good as yours la la la" ?

45 Comments

LynxonyxAug 16, 201520 votes

Why do platinum and Diamond players think they know anything about balance? Balancing is based off upper tier statistics; not opinions. Being good at a game, does not qualify you to balance it. Your mentality is that of a spoiled 12 year old.

I have a degree in Game Design with a 4.0, have worked in the industry, and had an internship that dealt specifically with LoL. I am silver, and far more qualified to make decisions on balance than you, because I have an education and professional experience to back it. Being good at a game does not qualify you to make balancing decisions. Good ideas and suggestions come from everywhere.

I used to hustle people in the arcades on Tekken 2 and 3, back in my day, that certainly didn't qualify me to balance a fighting game... or to design one. Stop being obtuse.

Indominus BladeAug 16, 20152 votes

Do you currently work for riot? If not, then there is a reason why you don't work for riot, you were not good enough at your job.

LynxonyxAug 16, 20158 votes

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Do you currently work for riot? If not, then there is a reason why you don't work for riot, you were not good enough at your job.

I didn't intern for Riot, I interned for one of the top Game Design professors in the states who was writing a textbook, that was dealing with S3 LoL statistics, where I had to watch and record all the stats from every pro match in season 3. Are you what, 13 years old? Come back when you get some pubes, ok?

Indominus BladeAug 16, 20151 votes

So all you have is "potential capability" which has never been actually put to the test? I am not impressed. When you actually do game balancing, you can talk about it. All that you have learned is nothing if you can't demonstrate the practical use of that knowledge. If you are so good at balancing games, why aren't you working for a top tier gaming company and balancing top tier e-sport games?

I am 23, nice ad hominem. Can't handle reality? not my problem.

Valor BotAug 16, 20151 votes

Wait, what? I thought your argument was "Only those in Platinum+ elo know enough about the game to make rational suggestions about gameplay and balance." Now it seems to have changed to favor people who work in the Gameplay and Balance departments instead of those players in Platinum+. Which is it then?

Btw, people can learn about the game and study it to pieces without ever applying their knowledge in Ranked. Just some food for thought. I'm sure there are at least a few Bronzies and Silvers out there who know just as much if not more about the game than you do, but don't feel like applying it/putting work into achieving a Plat+ ranking.

Indominus BladeAug 16, 20151 votes

Learn to properly read and comprehend English, nothing you said makes sense.

"Wait, what? I thought your argument was "Only those in Platinum+ elo know enough about the game to make rational suggestions about gameplay and balance." Now it seems to have changed to favor people who work in the Gameplay and Balance departments instead of those players in Platinum+. Which is it then?"

How you could come to this conclusion or make these observations are beyond me.

Anthony0603May 6, 20171 votes

I logged in just to tell you how retarded you are. Because the guy here seems to be too kind to point out your stupidity. You calling out his ad hominem is quite entertaining, seeing as what it follows. You are basically demeaning his character by your own twisted standards of what makes something valid or invalid. You sir, have no right to talk about any fallacies whatsoever. Logic isn't something you can learn by reading and memorizing a few fallacies kid. Yes, i realize you may be 23 but that doesn't make you immune to acting like, or being called a kid. While you are busy attacking people over the internet with your freshly learned fallacies maybe you should take a second to re-read these comments you are sending. You sound like a bitter emo 12 year old girl who just wants to bring everyone else down to how miserable they are with their own lives. Seriously dude, get a life, if the concept of understanding, performing, and the worlds perception of your performance intertwine that much for you then you may need to work on your understanding of the english language. Also, go talk shit to a lot of sportscasters and coaches. Next you are gonna be telling us that all the science that has gone into explaining how different people have shorter and longer reaction times based on many different factors in their brain is a lie. That if you cant immediately react to something as fast as the next person then you have no understanding of said circumstance. It's baseless and ignorant. Go back to the hole you came from kid. I will end with your OP saying that bronze, silver and gold players don't know what they are talking about. Now we can start by saying that is called "hasty generalization" I'm sure you read about that on your fancy fallacy webpage you have saved. Not to mention its also the very fallacy you claimed the other guy used against you. Saying that because they hold a certain status that their opinion is invalid. So please, teach us more about these fallacies you so often use on others, and how they tend to make that persons argument pretty invalid.

QuickenedBladeMay 12, 20171 votes

I don't give one fuck about what you think you know about the game. You're silver. You obviously don't know much about the game if you're stuck in silver.

I'm more qualified to make balance decisions than you because I know more about the game and how different parts of the game effect other parts.

JayKayPCAug 21, 20171 votes

True you are better at the game but being good at the game is not just about knowing and understanding how the game is played. A persons reflexes and quick thinking reactions are needed in the game. Just because you can play a game better than someone doesn't mean you know more about it. An example I would say is coaches they usually were pro players them self but no longer have the skill to play at a competitive level but that doesn't mean the players on that team know more than the coach. Saying that some one in bronze or silver could know more about the game than you isn't out of reason, it doesn't mean they are better than you rank shows that. But the main point knowledge of the game is different than skill at the game, knowing and doing are different things.

Live2LetDieAug 16, 20156 votes

Let them have their place to vent. its obv that riot cares about higher elo players because we do know more about the game but they also care that lower elo have a chance to know what their changing

Anthony0603May 6, 20171 votes

Lol. If you are high elo, riot still doesn't care about your opinion. Riot just cares about your stats, so basically, being plat or higher still means your opinions are worthless to riot. They are simply using your stats and numbers, not your words or thoughts. Get the fuck off your high horses people.

Live2LetDieMay 9, 20171 votes

Jesus fuck this was posted 2 years ago... how did you even comment on this lol

Anthony0603May 12, 20171 votes

Lol, I guess some issues never die :P didn't even notice it was 2 years ago, that's crazy haha

RocketRelmAug 16, 20156 votes

Why does XRank think they know anything about the game anyway, they should just keep their mouths shut and let the Real People Talk.

(Insert any rank below your own into XRank for results)

(There's always gonna be somebody higher than you, looking down at "you poor pleb", and telling you that you're trash and have no idea what you're doing)

Indominus BladeAug 16, 20151 votes

If I wanted to do that, I would include anyone below diamond 2+. I named bronze, silver and gold because riot officially said they balance the game based on stats from platinum+ elo. Learn to read the thread before replying.

LynxonyxAug 16, 20152 votes

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If I wanted to do that, I would include anyone below diamond 2+. I named bronze, silver and gold because riot officially said they balance the game based on stats from platinum+ elo. Learn to read the thread before replying.

Yeah, im 36, and I have... it doesn't pay well, so I changed professions. Thanks for playing, see you next time.

Indominus BladeAug 16, 20151 votes

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Yeah, im 36, and I have... it doesn't pay well, so I changed professions. Thanks for playing, see you next time.

Of course it doesn't pay well when you can't do your job effectively, thanks for the laugh though, I love to laugh at delusional people.

LynxonyxAug 16, 20153 votes

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Of course it doesn't pay well when you can't do your job effectively, thanks for the laugh though, I love to laugh at delusional people.

So you laugh at yourself a lot, I assume? You are deluded as they come, it appears. Troll on child, the real world awaits.

Anthony0603May 6, 20171 votes

They balance for platinum plus based on pure stats, they aren't sitting there asking diamond players what they think about balancing the game... So maybe if YOU read riots post. Not just skim through it and decide that it agrees with your dangerously potent subjective complex. If you actually read it and understand it... They are using stats, therefore diamonds and plats players opinions literally matter as little as a silvers opinion. No one gives a shit about your opinion. They are simply using stats and numbers from those games. Not the specific opinions of those players. And yes we can agree on something then. I too enjoy laughing at delusional people. So please continue with your fallacious and subjective reasoning as to why you are right, and we are wrong.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 16, 20155 votes

Lol, the tantrum is strong in this one, thanks to the listed thread below lol

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/W3VEtLqd-zed-is-the-healthiest-assassin-in-the-game-its-a-fact

ApexInTheCircleAug 16, 20152 votes

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Lol, the tantrum is strong in this one, thanks to the listed thread below lol

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/W3VEtLqd-zed-is-the-healthiest-assassin-in-the-game-its-a-fact

The only thing I can imagine is him thinking outloud "I'm plat 1 why did I climb all the way up here if I'm not allowed to talk down on others!" And I imagine him saying it in a Darksydephil voice which makes it worse.

KoldheartedjspAug 16, 20154 votes

cus ranking is more about mechanical skill and execution than knowledge??

Like... there are probably some plat/diamond players that are just incredibly skilled mechanically, but have no clue why certain items are core items or why certain champs are good, but they're just really really good

BluePolarizerAug 16, 20151 votes

its the opposite. I play on 100 ms ping and my internet randomly disconnects, and I'm plat 2. My mechanics are shit. I just know strategy and am smart enough to not play Lee Sin or Kalista.

KoldheartedjspAug 16, 20151 votes

im more referring to champion/item balance than game sense.

I'm saying a person can be really good at the game but still have no opinion/clue on buffs/nerfs. Any retard with the mechanics and situational awareness can follow a guide and climb imo

RatcatAug 16, 20151 votes

I have the shittiest computer ever. I rock around 20FPS and Im in boston so i get 100 Ping usually. Its mostly all game knowledge in high elo. The players you were describing above stop climbing in Gold.. Just my 2 cents

DerZermetzelteAug 16, 20154 votes

Dunno. Maybe because there are people who know stuff about the game without tryharding for Elo? I'm ranked Gold 4 and don't intend to stress myself out with crying wannabes to climb higher. Because Gold 5 is enough for the season rewards. Got around 4k+ games in SR normal alone and currently getting matched with at least 3 Diamond/Plat on each team there. The problem you think about isn't that low Elo players don't know jack. The problem is, that only the idiots among them seem to feel the urge to tell everyone how "X is broken and Y needs buffs". And idiots tend to make idiotic suggestions.

Also a small side-note: Diamond 2? What do Challenger and Master players say about you? That you don't know stuff about the game? Cause your Elo is pretty laughable to them. Just giving you another perspective here.

In fact, there are lots of Riot employees that are only in Silver. Even among those that balance your precious game. Maybe you can write a letter and ask to replace them :)

TLDR: You just opened the 1000st "I'm higher than you so your opinion is invalid"-thread.

Indominus BladeAug 16, 20151 votes

That is why I listen to what master and challenger players say, unlike bronze/silver/gold players who think they know better than people ranked higher than them. Nice fail.

DerZermetzelteAug 16, 20152 votes

But I never said I knew better than you? So we already got 1 exception, and your "all" doesn't apply anymore. Aside from my main champ maybe, because I doubt that you play him. You're generalizing. Stop that, if you want to be taken seriously.

For example: You could add a some before "Bronze/Silver/Gold-players"

Indominus BladeAug 16, 20151 votes

Generalizations are rational and good. Not some, MOST.

DerZermetzelteAug 16, 20155 votes

As I said: Get into Riot and then talk about balance. Because that's the argument that you used somewhere in this comment section. Either way. Your thread sounds like written by a total dick. Reread it maybe. And it doesn't even achieve a single thing, aside from insulting a big part of the community, by just assuming things about them. A giant bunch of it doesn't even care about balance. They just play. And your thread insulted them too. Learn some respect towards other humans please. That would at least give this thread's outcome an actual value.

Anthony0603May 6, 20171 votes

subjectivist fallacy

Anthony0603May 6, 20171 votes

hasty generalization.

SachabotAug 16, 20153 votes

You know, maybe I would like to learn from higher-ranking players about how to improve my game. Unfortunately, all I ever see are threads like this instead of something actually productive or intelligent. Or the same sort of QQ circlejerks that come from low-ELO players.

HaIlMonitorAug 16, 20152 votes

The opposite could be said also though that someone that studies, watches lcs/pros, and so on could know a lot about the game but have poor mechanics and not be able to be high elo because they can't pull off the flashy stuff. As for me I understand fully how a Insect works... I just dislike playing lee/haven't want to learn that skill. Doesn't mean I don't know how it works.

Mr Broken WingsAug 16, 20153 votes

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The opposite could be said also though that someone that studies, watches lcs/pros, and so on could know alot about the game but have poor mechanics and not be able to be high elo because they can pull off the flashy stuff. As for me I understand fully how a Insect works... I just dislike playing lee/haven't want to learn that skill. Doesn't mean I don't know how it works.

People who are not able to climb into higher elo simply dont understand all key mechanics in lane. Thats just a fact, doesnt matter how much lcs the bronze guy watches he still doesnt understands everything that happens in lane/ in teamfights and shouldnt talk about gamebalance. Because balance of a champion and counterplay comes from understanding a matchup and general laning strategies, bronze and silver people dont know anything about that.

HaIlMonitorAug 16, 20155 votes

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People who are not able to climb into higher elo simply dont understand all key mechanics in lane. Thats just a fact, doesnt matter how much lcs the bronze guy watches he still doesnt understands everything that happens in lane/ in teamfights and shouldnt talk about gamebalance. Because balance of a champion and counterplay comes from understanding a matchup and general laning strategies, bronze and silver people dont know anything about that.

Sure is weird how most of the shot casters, coaches, and analyst are all plat and diamond telling those hardcore challengers what to do and change to become better. This post is so you can puff your chest as a plat 3 player. I mean really if riot only cared about high elo's opinions they would make the forums for master rank and higher only, or hell even just challenger. And they do care what happens in low elo because of pub stomps... think of the ratio of players in gold and less. I wouldn't be surprised if it 80% of the player base which less it, when you want to make money you aim for the largest target audience and make them happy.

Mr Broken WingsAug 16, 20153 votes

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Sure is weird how most of the shot casters, coaches, and analyst are all plat and diamond telling those hardcore challengers what to do and change to become better. This post is so you can puff your chest as a plat 3 player. I mean really if riot only cared about high elo's opinions they would make the forums for master rank and higher only, or hell even just challenger. And they do care what happens in low elo because of pub stomps... think of the ratio of players in gold and less. I wouldn't be surprised if it 80% of the player base which less it, when you want to make money you aim for the largest target audience and make them happy.

My post simply is a fact, I dont play much ranked and I dont care about my elo at all, its just a fact that you cant understand the basics of the game if you cant even climb out of silver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-vPMHSKBLM

Tell me that a bronze-gold guy could teach you things like that, protipp: they cant because they dont understand key mechanics for laning. I dont understand why its so hard to admit that a silver guy never has the gameknowledge like a diamond guy and simply shouldnt post balance ideas. Its probably just the ego of the low elo people but whatever.

HaIlMonitorAug 16, 20151 votes

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My post simply is a fact, I dont play much ranked and I dont care about my elo at all, its just a fact that you cant understand the basics of the game if you cant even climb out of silver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-vPMHSKBLM

Tell me that a bronze-gold guy could teach you things like that, protipp: they cant because they dont understand key mechanics for laning. I dont understand why its so hard to admit that a silver guy never has the gameknowledge like a diamond guy and simply shouldnt post balance ideas. Its probably just the ego of the low elo people but whatever.

I barely play rank also I currently have only played 29 ranked matches, I know you have played more then that because you would have to climb from g5 if you got placed that high at least. I only play normal's with my friends so maybe that is why I haven't climbed, because I haven't tried to. Also if you don't care about your elo at all why the hell did you make this post it is so counter productive.

Mr Broken WingsAug 16, 20151 votes

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I barely play rank also I currently have only played 29 ranked matches, I know you have played more then that because you would have to climb from g5 if you got placed that high at least. I only play normal's with my friends so maybe that is why I haven't climbed, because I haven't tried to. Also if you don't care about your elo at all why the hell did you make this post it is so counter productive.

Its not counter productive, I can simply accept that if you look into higher elos they play the game on a completly different level and know a shitton more than me about the game. And that a silver idea is good 1 out of 200 times on this board doesnt make it better for the low elo people either. You dont play against better enemies, you dont have to activly think a lot in your games, that makes your decisionmaking automatically worse and you wont learn to pay attention to the keyaspects in lane. I played with master tier people and their gameplay is just sooo different that I wouldnt even try to argue that a low elo silver or bronze guy would come CLOSE to their gameknowledge.

HaIlMonitorAug 16, 20151 votes

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Its not counter productive, I can simply accept that if you look into higher elos they play the game on a completly different level and know a shitton more than me about the game. And that a silver idea is good 1 out of 200 times on this board doesnt make it better for the low elo people either. You dont play against better enemies, you dont have to activly think a lot in your games, that makes your decisionmaking automatically worse and you wont learn to pay attention to the keyaspects in lane. I played with master tier people and their gameplay is just sooo different that I wouldnt even try to argue that a low elo silver or bronze guy would come CLOSE to their gameknowledge.

I play vs higher elo people almost every game, typical normal games with plat and diamond players in them. So yes I "grow" in the sense your talking about. And yes this forum is full of rage and hate so even the high elo plays that comment are just doing there post out of emotion like this entire post.

Indominus BladeAug 16, 20151 votes

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The opposite could be said also though that someone that studies, watches lcs/pros, and so on could know alot about the game but have poor mechanics and not be able to be high elo because they can pull off the flashy stuff. As for me I understand fully how a Insect works... I just dislike playing lee/haven't want to learn that skill. Doesn't mean I don't know how it works.

You don't need to be mechanically good to get to plat+ or diamond+. Any champion can get to plat+. People can play 0 mechanix champions like Udyr Warwick Annie Nasus Malzahar and get plat+ easily. You don't need to play mechanically intensive champions like LeeSin Kalista Vayne Yasuo Zed to get to plat+.

Very Hard EngageAug 16, 20152 votes

if riot truly balanced around plat+, nidalee and irelia would be gutted, veigar/zilean would be buffed. others would be heavily looked at as well and they would see immediate changes because there are numerous out-liars at the higher up levels.

they just say that because they want to appease the masses below and just have something to fall back on when they just blatantly ignore everyone and do what they want to. "so they balance around plat+"

ApexInTheCircleAug 16, 20151 votes

I see you decided to keep the arguments flowing, good for you man, good for you.

ZephyrDrakeMay 6, 20171 votes

what makes you think that you know more about the game than those at low elos? If riot didn't care at all about what happened in lower elos they would buff the heck out of a lot of champions who struggle at high elos but completely destroy lower ones. Yet they constantly make changes so that doesn't happen at all. I love seeing high elo players come into a discussion against a low elo one and their only response when said low elo player won the argument against them is "you are Bronze/Silver/Gold i don't need to explain myself".

i am sorry to say this but just because you are a high elo player does not make any argument you make instantly more valid than the low elo player. If you are wrong it doesn't matter if you are bronze 5 or challenger, you are still wrong.

dim2aMay 6, 20171 votes

You're just wrong. I've played with some people in plat ELO who know little about balance (they are usually very mechanically skilled) and strategy, and some in silver who have amazing knowledge of strategy and balance. Rank correlates with game knowledge, but is by no means as good an indicator as you seem to think it is.