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A list of changes that Riot could explore if Aatrox needed to be improved

BLIGHTBRINGER··42 votes·15,377 views

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###I decided to make a list of suggestions that Riot could explore and hopefully choose from if they see that Aatrox needs to be improved.

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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/c/c0/Deathbringer_Stance.png PASSIVE: DEATHBRINGER STANCE

  • Make this Passive only consumed when used on Large Minions, Large Monsters.
  • Potentially have the Cooldown of this Passive reduced by 1 second or 0.5 second per Basic Attack.
  • Lower the Cooldown of this Passive (Lower the damage if needed but make this Mutilation effect more frequent).

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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/3/34/The_Darkin_Blade.png Q: THE DARKIN BLADE

  • Switch the knock up durations for Minions and Champions (Champions > 0.5 Seconds / Minions > 0.25 Seconds).
  • Make Aatrox able to move slightly when casting Q.
  • Reduce the amount of time it takes to cast each Q (or make the animation faster with bonus Attack Speed).
  • Increase the size of the "sweet spot" for each Q (to land the knock ups easier).
  • Increase the Q reactivation duration (something like from 4 seconds to 5/6 seconds)

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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/6/63/Infernal_Chains.png W: INFERNAL CHAINS

  • Make the Slow Doubled when the enemy is below X% of their Maximum Health.
  • Instead of being a singular target skillshot ablity make it an AoE chain pull (pulling up to X enemies).
  • Make the half of the Cooldown of this ability refunded when killing a minion (similar to Darius W).

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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/0/0a/Umbral_Dash.png E: UMBRAL DASH

  • Remove the Cooldown of this ability (since there is already a 20 second recharge timer).
  • Increase the duration of the Attack Damage increase.
  • Give him 3 Charges instead of 2 (since his Q is a 3 part ability).

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https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/d/de/World_Ender.png R: WORLD ENDER

  • Make his Bonus Movement Speed work even when in Combat.
  • Instead of Fearing Minions, Fear nearby Champions instead for 0.5/1/1.5 second/s (based on R rank).
  • When in his R Form, make his E have an increased range (would make sense since in his R Form he has proper wings).

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###But if some of these suggestions aren't that healthy or good, why not make some of them only apply when he is in his R Form?

Bonus Q & W Effect Suggestions when in R Form:

  • Q: "Sweetspot" size increased.
  • Q: Animations Faster.
  • Q: Cooldown Lower (since it's his main ability).
  • Q: Able to move slightly when casting Q (wings allowing him to).
  • Q: Knock-Up Duration increased.
  • W: Chains pull up to X enemies around Aatrox.

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The goal of these changes above was to make it seem like there is some sort of power behind when he is in his R form, instead of him just being bigger, having bonus AD, and reviving if killed.

What do you people think of some of these suggestions?

79 Comments

Shukr4n27 votes

God

First time in ages i see a good way of posting suggestions about something.

Didnt care about aarrox, but +1 for effort

BLIGHTBRINGER2 votes

Thanks :)

Warlord Rhinark11 votes

I disagree with making the sweet spots bigger, I disagree with all of the W changes and I disagree with the whole "Bonus Q & W Effect Suggestions when in R Form:" part of the post, but otherwise he really needs the rest of the changes.

Ralanr6 votes

I think fearing champions would be incredibly unfair to fight against with his ult.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

{quoted}

I think fearing champions would be incredibly unfair to fight against with his ult.

Cough Old Urgot ult cough

Ralanr1 votes

Dude was reworked.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

{quoted}

Dude was reworked.

Well-

Yeah I was aware. That was why I added in "Old".

But just like Old Urgot, New Aatrox is also semi-bad.

At least, currently he is.

Or that's what I'm getting from the boards at least.

MadSeer1 votes

Doesn't he still fear nearby champions if he can trigger the execution?

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

{quoted}

Doesn't he still fear nearby champions if he can trigger the execution?

Well-

Yeah he does, but it's a bit harder to pull off the fear on the new ult than on the old ult.

MadSeer1 votes

Definitely. I was just wondering if I was going crazy for having the clear memory of a fear with his ult haha

WarWork1 votes

I was hoping they'd put something like knocking back enemies outside of his model when he casts ult (no damage)

Pika Fox3 votes

Changing E range in R would be a massive nerf. Would require players learn combos for both aatrox and ultrox.

Ardond1 votes

if they did increase the range on e in ult, they could make it like Sej q where the dash range changes based on where you cast it. Or players could just learn to play with the higher skill cap, since a longer range dash would definitely be better in almost all scenarios.

Pika Fox1 votes

If by all scenarios you mean only better for EQ1 when coming in from further away and worse for every other situation, such as Q1E and all forms of Q2 and 3, yeah.

ZackTheWaffleMan3 votes

Beautifully-crafted post. Upvoted. ######haven't even read it yet

BLIGHTBRINGER1 votes

Thanks, I do try my best :)

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

Actually reading the post made me want to upvote again

BLIGHTBRINGER1 votes

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TempName548463 votes

welcome to: "buff the shit out of all the abilities of an already viable champion", the thread

BLIGHTBRINGER6 votes

Not asking to buff every single ability or to have every buff mentioned to be added, it's just a list of suggestions to pick from, IF Aatrox needed to be improved.

TempName548461 votes

give us some nice nerf suggestions then since this guy is more on the broken than under-powered side.

BLIGHTBRINGER3 votes

How is he broken exactly? Statistic-wise he's the second most weakest champion in League, currently at a 44.12% win-rate.

TempName548462 votes

who would have thought that a high skillcap champion would have a bad win ratio on release right :^)

Ryrynounet4 votes

Camille would like to have a word with you, https://imgur.com/a/FtJmZmi

TempName548462 votes

camille isn't high skillfloor and she would have 90% win ratio now if she was kept in the same broken state as on release.

Ryrynounet2 votes

L M A O

camille isn't high skillfloor

E flash, E paired with W while jumping, E paired with W and item 3077 while jumping, the E flash W and item 3077 all together, I'm pretty sure you couldn't even land a simple E W in your first game as Camille, to be the most efficient as possible with camille you need to have perfects timing to make an E, his with the edge of the W while also dammaging with tiamat and then flash on the opponent to stun him, a simple error and the whole combo is lost. I won't go further you don't seem to understand the concept of Precision, Timing and Skillfloor obivously for you a camille is only E Q W Q, waiting true dammage, waiting item 3057, you also need to learn sweetsposts on the map to get absurdely good jump on your E. The skillfloor isn't even near to Garen and her skill ceiling is high

she would have 90% win ratio now if she was kept in the same broken state as on release.

Against the like of Irelia, Kaisa, Jax, I don't think Camille could afford with her initial state to be Kassadin tier pick or ban champ, Kassadin without double ban was over 80% banrate, Camille could barely hit a bit pass 80% banrate

https://imgur.com/a/xad3Lbz Camille

https://imgur.com/a/HlvsI2H Kassadin

Every toplaners getting true dammage is bad for Camille since she can't stack it, new botlanes made of bruiser and so on can't be good for camille, less squishy target, more CC

TempName548461 votes

doesn't know what skillfloor is

its the amount of skill required to perform decently on a champion, none of the gimicks you mentioned is required to play camille for decent results

posts the same image twice

i mean yeah you are right no champion will ever reach kassadins ban rate unless it can perma silence mages on a point and click ability.

Ryrynounet1 votes

Fine you know it, now here's a list of low skillfloor champion :Amumu Annie Ashe Caitlyn Garen Jax MasterYi Nasus Nunu Olaf, simple spells, simple kit, no need to hit edges of some spell (like Aatrox's Q / Camille's W) Little description of their abilities (not like Jhin's passive), easy to understand what it does, intuitive (not like Camille's W that deal physical dammages, but if it hits on the outer half of the cone it also add a slow decaying of 80% and add bonus dammage based on Max % while also healing camille based on the ammount of bonus Max % dammage dealt to champion, intuitive uh ?) Still you managed to get the definition of skillfloor but still doesn't know what it is, and ye some champion of my list also have a low skill ceiling.

posts the same image twice

that's fixed, still not being able to search by yourself is... ugh, I don't have the words

i mean yeah you are right no champion will ever reach kassadins ban rate unless it can perma silence mages on a point and click ability.

Remind me what did you said last time ?

camille isn't high skillfloor and she would have 90% win ratio now if she was kept in the same broken state as on release.

Hmm, really interesting

Ryrynounet2 votes

Omegalulmao, this champ :

-Aatrox has a hard time finishing to kill people -Aatrox has no reliable way to gap close -Aatrox has the most of his dammage on ONE ability, thus when he reach level 9 it's rip for his scaling since his E and W deal near to 0 damages -Aatrox can be easily kited -Aatrox is extremely telegraphed -Aatrox has the most useless ult, if he dies while in ult he will revive, nice no ? ye, but at this time you have your Q on CD, W on CD, a glorified hex-flash with one charge at most, you will revive to die again -Aatrox has no good way of escaping if he gets ganked -Aatrox need to buy a lot of AD to be able to kill people with one rotation (because if you don't kill them within the rotation he will just leave freely since aatrox is slow af) -But if he only has ad he get killed by pretty much everything -And if he buys tank he will have no dammages -Aatrox is gated by CDR -If someone manage to get to 150 range aatrox can't do anything till he get his 3rd Q -If someone manage to stay away of his range aatrox can't do anything because lul no range

Well, if you can't abuse this non-exhaustive list you deserve to go afk, you have probably more option to outplay an aatrox than a garen. Furthermore if you have a champ that can do all it's pretty much insta-win for you. And imo he doesn't have really good Keystone since :

Conqueror needs aatrox to land an AA, and you don't really engage a fight with an AA thus ruin a part of conqueror Grasp also requires AA to be used, on an AD caster lul Aftershock sounds nice because of the abundance of "hard" cc, but he plays with spellvamp and need to stay at range at the begining of his Qs thus wasting a part of the dammages provided by the keystone

The most obvious ones Press the attack doesn't work bc he doesn't AA, AD caster / Lethal tempo see PTA / Fleet footwork doesn't gives dammages, MS useless since aatrox root himself every Q, pathetic regen / Hail of blade see PTA / Dark harvest, he's a laner, can be played jungle but there's a lot better than him / predator is lost when he enter a fight / thunderlord, doesn't work on the 3 Q, imo still the best because it can help to oneshot / Aery, he doesn't heal or shield his team to make the shield effective, can poke with a low CD / Comet offer no dammage on extended fight and outside of the lane even if it still add 30 dammage if you hit someone / Phase rush, see fleet footwork / Guardian, do I really need to talk about this one ? he doesn't play like a supp and near an ally to def / glacial augment, see pta + he doesn't buy slow item like botrk / kleptomancy, see pta lack of AA as always / unsealled spell book I won't talk about this one but it still sound horrible bc he doesn't benefit from a lot of summoner's spell

So know tell me how this guy is more on the broken side, and I didn't even added that it feels extremely clunky to play him :>

TempName548461 votes

"this champion has weaknesses and the enemies can potentially outplay him", yeah i guess that really makes a champion unplayable. i will see you in a month when people have gotten decent at him or we can go into a custom game right now and you can play any melee top laner except for darius into aatrox and i will show you how broken he is.

Ryrynounet1 votes

"this champion has weaknesses and the enemies can potentially outplay him", yeah i guess that really makes a champion unplayable

He has too much weaknesses you can play around that's the problem, this is a problem, the champion you play doesn't need tools to fight aatrox since aatrox brings too much tools to outplay himself, for exemple with ekko,

he can stick to people bc of the MS steroid on his passive and gap close with his E, can finish people because low CD / high mobility / W bonus dammage on low health target, he can't be easily kited, he isn't telegraphed (there are a lot of thing you can do with an ekko, my favourite one his throwing a Q then using R to make it return by passing trough the opponent with 100 hp), his ult allows him to heal / deal AoE Burst Dammages / avoid bad situation / reposition himself, he has tools to get to a safety place when getting ganked, he doesn't need extremely high ammounts of AP to deal dammages, he is always able to do something when all of his spells are on CD thanks to the empowered AA (from the W), the passive, the movespeed that allows him to reposition himself or stick to the target and dodge while waiting his low CD.

I took a lot of weaknesses from aatrox and gave you idea of how ekko doesn't have those. And btw i've played him a lot (mainly on my secondary account) I think I know a bit what's going on by playing him over 50 games after his rework but...

we can go into a custom game right now and you can play any melee top laner except for darius into aatrox and i will show you how broken he is.

Do you really think you can measure the strength of a champion with an 1v1 ? What do you do with teamfighting ? jungle pathing ? Splitpushing ? Ganking ? Farming and I can go on for a long time, if you really think like a bronze "Muhh I 1v1'd yasuo with soraka then yasuo must be trash Muuuh" i'm sorry for you, but I shouldn't talk with people like you and you could use your real account instead of beeing hidden behind a pathetic smurf as people could see real information about the player that you are (and tbh it's useless af, there's no reason to talk to someone who only shame people on their rank or whatever they can get. Imo people can talk about anything till they know what about they are talking)

TempName548461 votes

Do you really think you can measure the strength of a champion with an 1v1 ?

do i think a champion being able to beat 99% of the top lane roster in a 1v1 means his strong? yes. does it mean that his broken? most likely but not necessarily.

What do you do with teamfighting ? jungle pathing ? Splitpushing ? Ganking ? Farming and I can go on for a long time

has some of the best waveclear in the lane with ranged abilities to safely farm, has decent escapes from ganks, can duel anyone + good waveclear + decent escapes = good splitpusher as long as i'm aware.

I shouldn't talk with people like you and you could use your real account instead of beeing hidden behind a pathetic smurf as people could see real information about the player that you are (and tbh it's useless af, there's no reason to talk to someone who only shame people on their rank or whatever they can get. Imo people can talk about anything till they know what about they are talking)

"i shouldn't talk with people who's rank isn't available for me to view" "there's no reason to talk to someone who cares about peoples ranks", okay buddy.

anyways here's all the information you could need on me from the 2 accounts i've played on the most. http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=nice%20table http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=bestevaineeu

Ryrynounet1 votes

do i think a champion being able to beat 99% of the top lane roster in a 1v1 means his strong? yes. does it mean that his broken? most likely but not necessarily.

Ok ok ok, you've won if you want aatrox can 1v1 99% of the toplaner roster, that's fine, let's say for the sake of the argument "aatrox beat almost everyone on the toplane and roll on everyone", now give me the source of the "99%" i'll be pleased :>>, If you can't give me the source of that 99% why should I bother listening and trying to talk to a liar ?

Now we'll talk about the fact that if you win against everything you must be op broken tier, but if a champion can't do anything else, like he can do strictly nothing but 1v1 people, if he is easily beat when in 2v1 is he still good, tell me what if riot release a new champ, that can 1v1 everyone but after that, he deal near to no dammage to the towers, he can't take objectives like drake, he always leave them at 1 hp, he can't get assist nothing, will this champion be always good ? If the 1v1 criteria is enough to say X champion is OP ? Does soraka is the most useless champion ever because she can't 1v1 99% of the botlane roster ?

has some of the best waveclear in the lane with ranged abilities to safely farm, has decent escapes from ganks, can duel anyone + good waveclear + decent escapes = good splitpusher as long as i'm aware.

I'm ok with the good waveclear, i'll give you the point that the main way to Aatrox to deal dammages, his Q allows him to destroy the wave, i'm not really ok with "ranged ablity", since Q1 is a ranged ability, Q2 is okayish ranged ability about as much range as Maokai 's Q, and Q3 is literally a melee ability with probably a lowest range than Yasuo's Q (champion to edge of the skill).

From now on you'll tell me how you're safe from ganks when using a Q literally obliterate the wave (then I hope that despite your 1v1 otp skill you still know that always pushing is bad), when 2 tiny dashes can still be rooted, while you can still be slowed by a redbuff how you can run from his T1 to your T1 or the middle of the lane to your T1, usually actual toplaners have at least one CC I think it's safe to say that you won't run far away if you get CC'd by the laner, even more if the jungler also have one kind of CC

https://imgur.com/a/iQG0Kw3 : 1- Grab + Slow 2- I don't count aatrox because let's say that we're in ranked or a draft 3- Stun + Bump (I also hope you know that camille has a bump on her E) + Slow + Her ult 4- Stun 5- I don't count Fiora's W stun, there's still the slow, well I must give you a chance 6- Stun 7- Slow on low CD 8- Stun 9- Stun + Bump 10- Slow 11- Slow + Bump 12- Bump + Slow + Grounded + Root 13- Silence I've classified the list according to the popularity in case of, there's a CC on almost everyone, soft or hard, or both.

You said he can duel anyone, but if you smashed the wave with the high CD (Q16 W18 E20, early) how do you fight him, with AA ?? Did you thought once that the opponent also has a kit and isn't a dummy ? If you want I can also bring the Holy Winrate, I can't think that Aatrox's winrate is bad only because in everygame there was 4 inter in his own team

Good waveclear, already said. You really have nothing to add so you repeat yourself ? Descent escape, I think that I got the answer to my question

has decent escapes from ganks

  • decent escapes

And according to you, Aatrox is a good splitpusher because of that, but let me ask you something, what about camille ? Double AA reset (like Aatrox, but with less attack delay) with bonus dammages, on a low cooldown and allow her to proc item 3057 / item 3078 twice. I mean Aatrox seems pretty bad compared to other toplaners (Fiora Camille Jax) , he doesn't stack AS, he doesn't use item 3078 / item 3057.

Did you literally forgot that you have to be able to deal a lot of dammages in the lowest amount of time to towers to be actually efficient while splitpushing ? Your team can't wait in a 4v5 for ages, and the ennemy team won't wait on the bush next to you the time that you finish this turret. If you are slowy af when taking a tower you're not a good splitpusher you're garbage at most

We can debate as long as you want, I'll always have something to say whereas you can't even bring a real number and add something to the debate but repeating yourself

TempName548462 votes

most top laners have CC and mobility

well so does aatrox.

aatrox isn't as good at taking towers as these late game split pushers

well ya know these late game split pushers aren't lane bullies like aatrox is nor can they have a safe lane against every matchup.

he doesn't stack AS, he doesn't use trinity

aatrox goes either cleaver + deaths dance or trinity + steraks, in the first case the extra ad makes up for the lack of triforce.

If the 1v1 criteria is enough to say X champion is OP ? Does soraka is the most useless champion ever because she can't 1v1 99% of the botlane roster ?

this is a good meme though, its like i say "this guy can 1 shoot the entire enemy team so i'd say that makes him good" and you reply with "so what you are saying is that if someone can't one shoot people they are useless???"

not really fam its called a champion role, ya know different things do different shit, some 1v1, some team fight, some cc ... etc.

Ryrynounet1 votes

I'll be fast because I missclicked and deleted everything i've wrote.

most top laners have CC and mobility

I never said that, you'ill be kind to say the whole quote and maybe provide context, that's shameful really if you have to change words and context to get what you want. And by the way you can also answer to everything I said instead of picking whatever you want. So for the context i'll have to do it myself, it was about the fact that while ganking your opponents have CC to prevent you from escaping of a gank. (And i've never talked about mobility :>>)

well so does aatrox.

Then why should I care of a champion that root himself longer than his 0.25 knock-up in a case where Aatrox must leave the fight, see that's why you always provide the whole sentence and thus the context.

aatrox isn't as good at taking towers as these late game split pushers

I also never said that in my last comment but hey let's go on

well ya know these late game split pushers aren't lane bullies like aatrox is nor can they have a safe lane against every matchup.

Ho yeah the famous "aatrox is safe against every matchup and he crush them" i'll quote myself

If you can't give me the source of that 99% why should I bother listening and trying to talk to a liar ?

And the reason I said that earlier

do i think a champion being able to beat 99% of the top lane roster in a 1v1 means his strong? yes. does it mean that his broken? most likely but not necessarily.

So, i'm still waiting, I can't answer to what you said till I don't have my answer because it will mean that i've got to accept the fact that aatrox beat almost everyone top.

he doesn't stack AS, he doesn't use trinity

Yeah you nearly did it, just missing the icon and the item 3057

aatrox goes either cleaver + deaths dance or trinity + steraks, in the first case the extra ad makes up for the lack of triforce.

That's funny, because I want on probuild for a quarter of second and I saw no trinity at all, i'm not saying that from a champion that his an AD caster, doesn't benefit fom AS and rather get in the most case % armor pen buying trinity his bad nor that every high elo top tier player don't know how to play aatrox, but imo if no one buys trinity there's a reason https://imgur.com/a/WC9sF1S

Then I want to the practice tool, stuffer both Camille and Aatrox with a normal build, and I laughed because camille was 2 AD bellow aatrox, but Camille dealt 652 to tower with Q2 Triforce (and a higher AS) whereas Aatrox only dealt 297, Imo if camille has a way to proc item 3078 twice on one spell with a reset while giving up to 652 dammages and with a better AS I can say that aatrox is a bad splitpusher since he's literally 2 time slower than a Camille, at least 2x, I didn't bother making calculation.

https://imgur.com/a/8EhLLJ2 Camille, you can also see the AD, the AS https://imgur.com/a/eenqvRg Aatrox

If the 1v1 criteria is enough to say X champion is OP ? Does soraka is the most useless champion ever because she can't 1v1 99% of the botlane roster ?

You did it you finally quoted everything i've said without changing anyword

this is a good meme though, its like i say "this guy can 1 shoot the entire enemy team so i'd say that makes him good" and you reply with "so what you are saying is that if someone can't one shoot people they are useless???

It's not "it's like", it's what i've done

not really fam its called a champion role, ya know different things do different shit, some 1v1, some team fight, some cc ... etc.

HA waow, another contradiction, you want from :

do i think a champion being able to beat 99% of the top lane roster in a 1v1 means his strong? yes. does it mean that his broken? most likely but not necessarily.

To

not really fam its called a champion role, ya know different things do different shit, some 1v1, some team fight, some cc ... etc.

So there is the champion role, and other things to take into account to measure the strength of a champion, it's strange it remind me of somthing.. Ugh gotcha !

Do you really think you can measure the strength of a champion with an 1v1 ? What do you do with teamfighting ? jungle pathing ? Splitpushing ? Ganking ? Farming and I can go on for a long time

Hmmm so now you're with me so I can safely said that the "1v1 everyone = OP" argument is false, nice. Well at least I hope you don't go back on your track to say something else.

And that's probably the end, if you want to go on there are still other question that you didn't answered on the thread, still waiting them, especially this "99%" that has been pulled from a magician hat. Cya

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Any melee toplaner? Okay i pick kled and laugh about anything you try to do against me. Or jax. Or Camille.

TempName548461 votes

i'm hella down, hit me up when you play the game again

ladention2 votes

One idea i had for E is make it a normal dash with no charges, but give it a reset on hitting a champ with q edge, so aatrox has a real combo of q-e-q-e-q-e

Lord Malpercio2 votes

Personally, I feel his R needs to heal him if the enemy fails to kill him in time.

It's -really- awkward to not ressurect because an enemy dealt fatal damage 0.01 seconds after it ended

PaffWasTaken2 votes

Giving him increased utility in his passive should be top priority, even with cooldown reduction. Everybody complained about the fact that the new Aatrox is nowhere near the old one in terms of sustain, so I'd like to see something like "doubled lifesteal/sustain effects on marked targets" because, to be honest, the bonus damage is mediocre and the effect should be tied to an AoE ability, it needs so much more impact even with low cooldown

Phoneixflare2 votes

give me the ranged attack back on his R(he gets largers and thus should have slightly more range) and increase the sweet spots on his q. they are really awkward to hit, especially the third which rarely ever knocks up unless you are right on top of them and they have absolutely no gap closers left to use. Either the third needs to deal significantly more damage(especially in the center) or have a larger aoe and center for sweetspot. If you REALLY want to make him decent, add a slow to the non sweetspot parts of the Q :D but thats asking for a bit much.

Meta Noir2 votes

Post is insanely well visually presented and gives feedback and ideas/inspiration instead of just being a very rude rantfest, so for that you already have my upvote! On the other hand I agree, that the passive change is an absolute MUST, same goes for the E having 3 stacks - these are just logical and give the minimum flow to the kit, that is heavily needed right now. Also some changes to base stat scaling... not to forget some ultimate changes, which together make him a relevant threat in late game.

Keep it up with such quality posts!

BLIGHTBRINGER1 votes

Thank you so much :)

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Stephenizgod2 votes

I don't think Aatrox needs any buffs at all, his kit just needs to be changed all around. The issue with current Aatrox is how clumsy he is and how reliant he is on enemies not understanding how his kit works. His Q is easy to play around, once he uses it he has nothing else. His W is a useless ability in 99% of situations, majority of champions can move out of it with no problem whether running away or at him, its only use is if they try to fight you while your Q is up. His E is boring but its one of his only useful and reliable moves. His Ult is whatever, its usefulness depends on how well/bad he is doing.

Having said that, if he does land 1 or 2 sweet spots on his Q, the damage is insane. You pretty much win any trades if you can land 2 of your 3 Q's, not only is the damage absurd, the potential for damage is high as well. It is this potential for damage that makes it very risky to buff him in any way. If he can land all 3 of his Q's and his W isn't useless, there won't be much anyone can do about him other than stay away (which is not very fun gameplay).

This sort of gameplay makes him Feast or Famine and its why he is a bad rework. Any of your buffs, or really any buffs that allow him to land his abilities or improve his abilities mechanics, will push him into only Feast. He will become unstoppable, an abomination of terrible design and disgusting damage numbers. I personally think the only solution is to change his Q so it isn't all or nothing. Make it more reliable, but cut its utility and damage. Add some interactivity between his Q and W so that his W is not useless but only when used properly with his Q. The E should be less boring, its just a boring ability...

Dat1Carry1 votes

He should not even have sweet spots considering kayn W in darkin form does not have a sweet spot.

TyroneWatermelon6 votes

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He should not even have sweet spots considering kayn W in darkin form does not have a sweet spot.

What type of logic is that?

Dat1Carry1 votes

since kayn dont have a sweet spot, to me its saying aatrox not strong enough to not have sweet spots

TyroneWatermelon9 votes

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since kayn dont have a sweet spot, to me its saying aatrox not strong enough to not have sweet spots

Think about what you said, slowly. use your brain this time.

Salvor Hardın1 votes

The problem is that all you put in is buff, 1 or more of the changes on the list and it's completely broken. Personally with the changes of the passive I'll settle for, and some improvement in the speed of the animations maybe.

BLIGHTBRINGER3 votes

I wasn't saying that he needs all of these buffs, I was only offering a list of suggestions to potentially choose from.

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