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Lissandra Passive and W suggestions

IxtaliKing·7/27/2017, 3:10:13 PM·8 votes·770 views

First of all I want to start by saying I'm no Lissandra expert, just somebody that really likes her but can't connect with her playstyle. I find it a bit weird for such a slow, squishy mage to have to sit on an enemies face to do damage. It's strange to me. I don't usually like to voice my opinions or make suggestions about champs who aren't Karma, as I don't wish to cause offence to other mains, but eh... what's the worst that can happen, downvotes? :/

Passive:

For her passive I was thinking something simple like increasing her damage to immobilized targets. I feel as if her damage isn't really as good as other mages, all of which have more range and are much safer than she is.

Ring of Frost:

I was thinking about what could make her feel a little more... comfortable, maybe? Then I remembered Darius' Q update with the delay and outer ring bonuses... see where I'm going with this?

What if Lissandra's "Ring of Frost" was an actual ring of frost? Increase the spell radius from 450 to 550, add a brief (1 second perhaps?) delay/telegraph and make the root apply from between 400 to 550 units. Enemies within the 400 unit inner radius are slowed instead of rooted.

Disclaimer: numbers mentioned above are purely for illustrative purposes, I'm no dev.

Now, I'm not sure how power budgets work exactly, but I was thinking adding a brief delay/telegraph and conditionality to the root could afford her more range and potentially even damage. A delay could open up the possibility to prime her W before her R initiation so it goes off while she's in stasis, giving her an even greater initiation fantasy.

My goal with these changes are to increase her effective range so she's more comfortable against ranged opponents, whilst making her a bit less hard counter-y against immobile melees. I believe these W and Passive changes would allow her to have a more versatile laning experience in terms of both farming and trading .

37 Comments

Hovering Hentai7/27/2017, 6:54:02 PM3 votes

I wouldn't put a delay on the W. Most of her strength comes from the fact that it's an instant aoe root like Riven's W. Although she does have lower range her Q is low cooldown and very spammable so you can hit several of them in teamfights

Catastrop7/28/2017, 1:08:30 PM2 votes

I saw this amazing passive suggestion on LissandraMains, where she'd get a shield when she CC'd an enemy. If she attacked an enemy champion with with a spell or auto it would detonate for 50% of the shield value. I loved it because it gives her the sustain she needs outside of ultimate to really get into a fight while also giving her more damage but at the cost of that sustain, balancing it out relatively well.

I'm not going to sugar coat it, I honestly don't like your passive suggestion that much because it's so binary. You either do more damage or you don't, while having the chance of being quite underwhelming.

Your W change sounds cool though, but I have mixed feelings on it. Although it's not anything negative like my feelings on the passive, I just prefer an in your face playstyle when playing Liss.

HalcyonDweller10/20/2017, 4:06:24 PM2 votes

I'm a fan of the Ring of Frost idea, and I much prefer the shield passive that was proposed on r/LissandraMains.

Chimp Joker7/27/2017, 3:16:24 PM2 votes

I like your idea with Ring of Frost, but I think the opposite would be better suited for Lissandra; when the enemy is within her inner circle, it roots them while if in the otter circle, it slows them.

As for her passive, I think it would be better if she gained AP over time in a way like Veigar.

Kloqdq7/27/2017, 8:13:16 PM2 votes

I do think her Passive needs a change. A cool champion that is somewhat wasted in her design just by her passive.

Ahri Body Pillow7/27/2017, 7:35:43 PM1 votes

i think making such a change to her w would be a pretty massive nerf, especially since one of her strengths is shutting down melee champs

Chimp Joker7/27/2017, 6:48:46 PM1 votes

I guess the more I think about, the more that I think that her current W is fine. It's just that her passive definitely needs a change.