Why is Morello's CDR unique when BC isnt?

1. Semantics My other posts take that into account.

2. 1. It's an assassin meaning they don't stay in a fight. 2) How is Black Cleaver more expensive than: Maw of Malmortius, Bloodthirster, Death's Dance, Infinite Edge, Edge of Night? The only items a BC is more expensive than (and only by 100g) are Youmuu's, and Duskblade. Literally every other assassin item is more expensive.

3. Ryze's damage comes FAR more from AP scaling than from Mana (Mana damage only attributing 2-4% of mana to damage). It's part of his build, but going CDR doesn't outscale the base. Furthermore, Ryze's kit already offers that Mana: 400 : Morello X1 400: Frozen heart 400 Rod of Ages, 1000 Seraph's = Same mana as they have on meta build. The morello would offer more than the Frozen Heart, and more AP than the RoA, but loses HP, and Eternity Spam.

4. Almost every mage does not use their base AD scaling and they get no base AP scaling, so including base AD is important.

Zed example: 4 BC + Duskblade + Shoes: ( 100% CDR reduction)

121 Base + 72 + 40 + 40 + 40 + 40 + 55 + 15 + 18 = 441 AD. (320 Bonus)

Furthermore, Zed gains AD from his highest AD target (suppose a 400 AD adc), or 60 more AD. That puts him around 380 AD to deal with, and that's just bonus AD.

One combo alone will deal:

Ult: 441 > Q (567 + 421) + Auto (441+ 320 [Duskblade]) + E (474) + Ult final (1000) = a whopping total of 3,664 damage. And, the build still has 30 Lethality, and will proc the 24% reduction to armor as well, so a significant portion of that damage goes through.

It still 1 shots a full HP adc, most supports, and most mages, with 3629 HP Zed. And it almost 1 shots a tank.

5. You didn't actually read the comparison. it was a Morello transcendence vs a Black Cleaver transcendence. A Morello Transcendence would have 2000 hp. A BC transcendence has 4k+, and there aren't many mages who can pure pop that.

6. I'm not an advocate of making Morellos Stackable. i think Black Cleavers need to be Unique Passive, and EVERY 20% CDR be a Unique Passive. For example, (although not that feasible) an Ornn game could build 2 trinities, Or a Tank can Spam Frozen Hearts (Rammus, Malph) Another not so viable stack is Iceborne, but it's not as significant as Morello/Frozen Heart/Black Cleaver.

You do realize that Unique passive simply means 2 of the same items cannot have the same passives activate. You can still build a Frozen heart and an iceborne and both CDR's proc, because it's not 2 Frozen Hearts.

It depends on the Champ. A Lee sin isn't in a fight long enough to be "shredded" He Ins, and then he outs. A Zed Ins, and then he outs.

Not every AD abuser is someone who stays in a fight for 5 seconds to take the punishment needed to blow through 4k + hp. Some champs also scale both to AD and HP, which puts them in a unique position. (Darius scales to both, and would still get 12 AD from subbing one for a Spirit visage to boost the heals, and on his Passive proc, would have 680 AD)

The only champs your argument really works for, is those who buy 2 AD items and then build tank.

Let me tell you something. I've played Sion as part of my core since his rework. He does not NEED Armor to be tanky. Sion can purely build offensive, still have 4k HP, and he can do his job and get out before there is a need to be tanky, because of his massive load of cc. A 3-4 Black Cleaver build works GREAT on Sion, because both his Ult and Q proc, and they scale so large to AD that the two result in a 2 hit KO.

And no. a Lee sin doesn't get demolished on 4 Black cleavers. That's the point. I'm used to pure countering a Lee Sin, and them feeding hard on meta builds. They don't feed on this build. They go 12/0 before they ever get checked, and by then they've taken your team out so much that the rest of his teammates are a factor from out farming. Regular Lee Sins don't do that on meta builds unless their opponents are horrible.

I really suggest you go try it on Sion or Lee if you're proficient with them. It's insane.

Don't know any equivalent AD items that give HP /64 AD and cap out 40% CDR in the first 2 items. In fact, the only HP AD item is a Frozen Mallet, which only has 30 AD, and a trinity, which is a unique item that's not purely an AD item.