If Veigar must be changed, Give him a new W

ApexInTheCircle·Feb 18, 2015·2 votes·316 views

Because as it stands he will no longer be able to complete his burst rotation with E being the way it is. You basically turned him into a less mobile more squishy Nidalee.

except with his R nerf his ult now has a pretty large chunk of damage missing. 20% less damage...That's a large number in terms of league of legends balance.

What I mean by nidalee is he becomes like her in the sense of throwing spears until you hit then proceed to use your spell rotation.

7 Comments

Maximum ZileanFeb 18, 20157 votes

Or atleast speed up the drop his W has. Make it so it'll actually fall before the game ends.

DevilishMetalFeb 18, 20152 votes

Do you have a recommendation as to a change that could be made?

ApexInTheCircleFeb 18, 20151 votes

I honestly don't have an idea what would replace his W as it's always been a staple in his kit requiring his E stun to be landed in order go nail a hit ( or an enemy who isn't paying attention or is just not...altogether) It's hard to give an idea of what to replace it with, without his whole kit needing a rework to work around the delayed stun. But IMo it needs to be replaced with a sort of slow that could be used to set up the stun. While keeping him balanced.

A few ideas roll off the top of my head. You could keep the same mechanic of dropping his W as a falling nuke,but make it work as a Vi mechanic. It shows an indicator on the ground that slowly grows larger overtime until it gets to it's max size and drops. Dealing maybe 20% extra damage as it's fullsize to compensate for the loss of his 20% off his ult. which would make his cage actually work as a cage and building fear like it's supposed to do. Keep the scaling 1:1 that increases to 1:2 at max size. of course activating the skill again will make it drop when you command it to.

DevilishMetalFeb 18, 20151 votes

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I honestly don't have an idea what would replace his W as it's always been a staple in his kit requiring his E stun to be landed in order go nail a hit ( or an enemy who isn't paying attention or is just not...altogether) It's hard to give an idea of what to replace it with, without his whole kit needing a rework to work around the delayed stun. But IMo it needs to be replaced with a sort of slow that could be used to set up the stun. While keeping him balanced.

A few ideas roll off the top of my head. You could keep the same mechanic of dropping his W as a falling nuke,but make it work as a Vi mechanic. It shows an indicator on the ground that slowly grows larger overtime until it gets to it's max size and drops. Dealing maybe 20% extra damage as it's fullsize to compensate for the loss of his 20% off his ult. which would make his cage actually work as a cage and building fear like it's supposed to do. Keep the scaling 1:1 that increases to 1:2 at max size. of course activating the skill again will make it drop when you command it to.

The idea is interesting. However, this ability fails to solve the problem of E being harder to hit. Also, think a second.

Do you really... REALLY... Want to give Veigar a 2.0 AP ratio?

ApexInTheCircleFeb 18, 20151 votes

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The idea is interesting. However, this ability fails to solve the problem of E being harder to hit. Also, think a second.

Do you really... REALLY... Want to give Veigar a 2.0 AP ratio?

Sorry I didn't mean to type 1:2 I meant to type 1.2 scaling. So basically what his ult used to be. So I say to make it fair his instant drop should be .75 scaling and goes up to 1.2 when it's at max. His E is harder to hit but this would make it to where if you can trap someone inside you can essentially fill it with a fully charged W

DevilishMetalFeb 18, 20151 votes

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Sorry I didn't mean to type 1:2 I meant to type 1.2 scaling. So basically what his ult used to be. So I say to make it fair his instant drop should be .75 scaling and goes up to 1.2 when it's at max. His E is harder to hit but this would make it to where if you can trap someone inside you can essentially fill it with a fully charged W

Oh okay, I see what you mean here. This idea makes sense to me.

ApexInTheCircleFeb 18, 20151 votes

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Oh okay, I see what you mean here. This idea makes sense to me.

IMO it would add alot more uses to E instead of a delayed stun/ zone tool. You could actually use it as a cage as per riot said is intended to be it's real purpose. So essentially you could start a W in an area then lock someone in the cage and let them get hit which would require good timing and good positioning on both the enemy and Veigar himself.