Is this what Riot means by ensuring Quality Games...?

adidas·Sep 14, 2016·3 votes·1,156 views

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I just got done talking to their premade. I told them if it'd be cool if i can post this on the boards they said yeah no problem.

I qued by myself. Fought a 4 man premade.

At 24 minutes. Score was 15-28 and we had no more inhibs...

Even tho i worked so fuckin hard to rank up i dont care that i got demoted, I care that i got put against a 4 man premade when

I qued by my fucking self... I didnt even have a 4 man premade on my team...

Thats not fair..

32 Comments

Deep Terror NamiSep 14, 20164 votes

Eh, you had a 4-man premade on your team too, and the average division was higher on your side. Sounds like your premade just didn't work together as well as the enemy's did, in that particular match.

You know that one team must lose regardless of how even they are, right?

adidasSep 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jvbnPVWu,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-09-14T22:16:03.725+0000)

Eh, you had a 4-man premade on your team too, and the average division was higher on your side. Sounds like your premade just didn't work together as well as the enemy did, in that particular match.

My team was not a 4 man. I checked.

Deep Terror NamiSep 14, 20164 votes

You need to check again. Just look at their OP.gg pages, they have many recent games together.

adidasSep 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jvbnPVWu,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-09-14T22:19:03.549+0000)

You need to check again. Just look at their OP.gg pages, they have many recent games together.

I checked again hun. Its not a 4 man premade.

Deep Terror NamiSep 14, 20164 votes

They have between 5 and 12 recent games together with the Nautilus...you are not making much of an effort to look. I will not post their names here, just look at the Nautilus's op.gg page, bottom left.

adidasSep 14, 20162 votes

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They have between 5 and 12 recent games together with the Nautilus...you are not making much of an effort to look. I will not post their names here, just look at the Nautilus's op.gg page, bottom left.

I dont understand why you're trying to justify solo players being put against / with 4 man premades in the first place?

Deep Terror NamiSep 14, 20164 votes

It is a 5-man game. Obviously a solo player must fill the 5th spot when there is a 4-man premade. Both teams were even in this regard, and you even had a division average advantage; the problem seems to be that you lost, not that the match was unfair.

Have you at least seen that there was indeed a 4-man on your own team now? That is literally the only thing I actually said.

adidasSep 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jvbnPVWu,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-14T22:29:50.376+0000)

It is a 5-man game. Obviously a solo player must fill the 5th spot when there is a 4-man premade. Both teams were even in this regard, and you even had a division average advantage; the problem seems to be that you lost, not that the match was unfair.

Have you at least seen that there was indeed a 4-man on your own team now? That is literally the only thing I actually said.

Yeah lets listen to you. You're perfectly right. A solo player being put With a 4 man and against another 4 man is

''perfectly fine''

Yup. You can leave now.

Deep Terror NamiSep 14, 20164 votes

What is wrong with it? You aren't fighting the 4-man team on your own lol.

adidasSep 14, 20162 votes

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What is wrong with it? You aren't fighting the 4-man team on your own lol.

I can see why they kicked you off.

Deep Terror NamiSep 14, 20164 votes

Yes, because I don't complain about losing an equal fight, they kicked me.

adidasSep 14, 20162 votes

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Yes, because I don't complain about losing an equal fight, they kicked me.

It's because your lack of understanding and poor judgement.

But sure.

Deep Terror NamiSep 14, 20164 votes

Resorting to personal attacks against me won't help you win games and accept losses, sorry.

adidasSep 14, 20162 votes

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Resorting to personal attacks against me won't help you win games and accept losses, sorry.

If you think thats a personal attack idk how you live in this world or play league without muting everyone everygame.

PermabannedGarenSep 14, 20164 votes

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Yeah lets listen to you. You're perfectly right. A solo player being put With a 4 man and against another 4 man is

''perfectly fine''

Yup. You can leave now.

So were you lying when you said your team didn't have a four man premade, or are you just incompetent?

adidasSep 14, 20162 votes

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So were you lying when you said your team didn't have a four man premade, or are you just incompetent?

Yeah

NiceTryViSep 14, 20162 votes

You are aware that if there are 5 people on a team, a solo player is necessary to fill the hole a 4 man team leaves, right? It is physically impossible for a 4 man team to play a game without having a random solo player assigned to them.

adidasSep 14, 20162 votes

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You are aware that if there are 5 people on a team, a solo player is necessary to fill the hole a 4 man team leaves, right? It is physically impossible for a 4 man team to play a game without having a random solo player assigned to them.

Thats the point my friend. A solo player should not be filling the gap for and against a 4 man premade.

Riot stated themselves this is unhealthy, People talk about it all the time that its unhealthy, Yet it happens. So im posting to show my dissatisfaction of being put against / with a 4 man premade when i qued solo.

NiceTryViSep 15, 20162 votes

Ok so hold up. You acknowledge the fact that a solo player is required to fill the missing spot for a 4 man premade, but claim that they shouldn't have to? Then who fills the 5th spot??

adidasSep 15, 20161 votes

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Ok so hold up. You acknowledge the fact that a solo player is required to fill the missing spot for a 4 man premade, but claim that they shouldn't have to? Then who fills the 5th spot??

There shouldnt be 4 man queues********

NiceTryViSep 15, 20161 votes

That is a completely different issue than what you originally argued. You claimed you were all alone vs a 4 man premade without a 4 man on your team, when there was, and then you claimed that a solo player shouldn't have to go against a 4 man no matter what. While I agree that dynamic queue is cancerous and needs to go back to solo/duo, you need to figure out how to word your arguments better before you make a post like this.

adidasSep 15, 20161 votes

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That is a completely different issue than what you originally argued. You claimed you were all alone vs a 4 man premade without a 4 man on your team, when there was, and then you claimed that a solo player shouldn't have to go against a 4 man no matter what. While I agree that dynamic queue is cancerous and needs to go back to solo/duo, you need to figure out how to word your arguments better before you make a post like this.

When you get out of gold 4 you'll understand what im talking about.

Until then shut up because you get annoying real quick.

NiceTryViSep 15, 20161 votes

You're the annoying one here. You get on the boards bitching about something, and then change your argument no fewer than twice after each one gets shot down. Then, you use rank as some kind of fix-all argument, cause I must just be bad, and not know what I'm talking about if I'm in gold, huh? If you think there shouldn't be 4 man queues, why wasn't that your argument to begin with? You claimed, and I quote

I qued by my fucking self... I didnt even have a 4 man premade on my team...

Thats not fair..

When you clearly did have a 4 man on your team. You can't just change your tune when people find out you're a liar, and then use an ad hominem attack on my rank like you've made some great point. You had a 4 man on your team just like the enemy team had a 4 man, you just happened to lose the game. If you won the game, you wouldn't have been complaining about 4 man queues, now would you?

HigeSep 14, 20161 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=doctorstryker http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=crazyleu http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=niche http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=banjokazo

you can see that they constantly appear on each other's match history, sometimes as a 3 man premade, sometimes as a duo and in your game definitely as a 4 man premade.

1wolfpackSep 14, 20162 votes

"Sounds like your premade just didn't work together as well as the enemy's did, in that particular match."

sounds like a problem when your a solo player and the only way you can win a game with 4-mans premade is to hope n pray that your premade is better than the other teams. doesnt sounds like healthy game play to me

adidasSep 14, 20163 votes

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"Sounds like your premade just didn't work together as well as the enemy's did, in that particular match."

sounds like a problem when your a solo player and the only way you can win a game with 4-mans premade is to hope n pray that your premade is better than the other teams. doesnt sounds like healthy game play to me

Thanks for saying that. I feel like nobody understands thats exactly what i mean..?

Deep Terror NamiSep 14, 20162 votes

No two games are identical; it doesn't matter how well matched two individuals are, one game between them can be a horrible stomp while the next it's a perfectly tight race til the very end, and in the next it's a stomp on the other side. You can not possibly just look at one game and say "Woah, the teams were so unmatched!" it's just not how it works.

1wolfpackSep 14, 20162 votes

your absolutely right on ur point above, and Im not arguing that. My point was the impact of a solo player matched with/against a 4 man premade is considerably less then lets say if all 10 players were solo players. it does not promote healthy game play and your solo players feel helpless and frustrated in those situations hence all the discussions created about the topic since D/Q came out

JbelsSep 14, 20163 votes

honestly, the limit needs to be 3. When the limit is at 3, queue times can be much shorter, and the feeling of never having a chance solo because you're going to get matched against a four man is gone