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Fuck ekko and whoever fucking designed him.
Marshbouy10 votesIMO there are far more annoying champions to face than the 47.6% winrate terror that is ekko.
adidas52 votesIMO there are far more annoying champions to face than the 47.6% winrate terror that is ekko.
yeah because win rate determines if a champ is broken :X
Marshbouy11 votesIt's a lot better indicator than saying "well hur dur he feels broken to me". If you have some actual evidence that he is outperforming a majority of champions or that he really is broken then i'd like to see it.
no LCS does not count(if it did then you would have to admit that rek sai is busted), and being built as AD bruiser when he is supposed to be AP assassin is a different kind of broken.
Veltox2 votes
tremor sense is cool and all but it's too good for anyone with team coordination and possibly this game.
Marshbouy2 votesThat means nothing. I am saying that LCS balance does not always relate to non LCS balance.
TTK Dreadnought6 votesand being built as AD bruiser when he is supposed to be AP assassin is a different kind of broken.
What confuses me is that people complain about it but think that champions are only allowed to be built one way.
Ekko's subclass is fighter.
Fighters are close range combatants that possess a mix of offensive and defensive capabilities. While they don't have as much utility as a tank or as much damage as an assassin, a fighter's damage will add up over time to make it a major threat. Each fighter has a unique blend of mobility, damage, disruption and durability.
I will also point out that yasuo and fizz are the same.
Its like complaining about Fiora, Wukong, Master Yi, Lee, Vi, Xin Zhao building tanky.
Marshbouy28 votesWhat confuses me is that people complain about it but think that champions are only allowed to be built one way.
Ekko's subclass is fighter.
the issue arises when his AD build is outclassing his AP one. An Ap bruiser should have the option of building AD but being more effective going AD is a design flaw. Not OP broken, but design wise broken.
TTK Dreadnought2 votesYea but honestly im not surprised that is more effective. I play AD/AS tank naut (trinity force, Blood razor, nashors tooth are common) because i apply damage more frequently and effectively. Had a leona top yesterday go AD with Ravanous hydra, black cleaver, Maw and steraks.
AD is just easier to apply and reapply.
Marshbouy2 votesAD is just easier to apply and reapply.
true. But still, a design being played differently then the goal is not quite what riot wants.
TheHurricaneGamr2 votesBut in AD
or AD
's cases, AD builds are much less superior to their tank build. In addition, it tank Ekko was considered "fair" to play against, Riot would probably let it slide. However, tank Ekko is much harder to interact with than AP Ekko, requires less skill, and essentially has no downsides, which Riot does not like. AD Leona or On-hit Nautilus have pretty defined strengths (Waveclear and Burst for Leona with massive sustained damage coming from Naut) and weaknesses (Squishiness, less utility for yourself and your team). Take somebody like 
. He has three builds: Blue Build, AP, and Trinity Force. They all have tradeoffs, with no one being particularly unhealthy for the game. If Riot thought one of these builds was bad for the game, they would either nerf the item (think Runeglaive) or Ezreal, much like they are doing to tank Ekko.
Marshbouy2 votesVery true. Couldn't say it better.
TTK Dreadnought1 votesIn nautilus case i will have to disagree for the most part. I do "AD/AS Naut" but i still build rather decently tanky. Its more like a CC bruiser build. My damage isnt like Vi, but my CC is already very strong and easily applied, and by getting bloodrazor/trinity/nashors tooth (nashors tooth is only sometimes) i make my damage much more relevant to any squishy champion i get to. I have won 1v1s with other fighters like Fiora due to having relevant damage, CC, and tankiness.
And it also allows me to clear objectives much faster by myself if needed than before.
My goal is to still fulfill the role of tank, but i also want to make sure we win by keeping myself more relevant when it comes to taking things like towers (so instead of just tanking it, i smashing it down in a good time), or having the ability to solo drag more efficiently, or increasing the speed of taking a baron.
By building/playing this way, i help finish the game during the midgame or as close to it as possible before i get any more outscaled by ADCs because the game is prolonged.
in regards to AD ekko, they already did some nerfs towards tank ekko. if they saw any more problems we probably would of seen some quick changes in the 6.18 patch a few days ago. and it wasnt particularly impressive during the NA LCS Finals.
If it does seem to be a huge issue, i agree. adjust something. but i believe he's finally just getting played as a fighter and people arent adjusting to it well.
TheHurricaneGamr1 votesAssassian update should fix that.
FioraWillCarry2 votesYea but honestly im not surprised that is more effective. I play AD/AS tank naut (trinity force, Blood razor, nashors tooth are common) because i apply damage more frequently and effectively. Had a leona top yesterday go AD with Ravanous hydra, black cleaver, Maw and steraks.
AD is just easier to apply and reapply.
I had a full AD Malphite in a game yesterday that totally dismantled our team. Never seen anything like it. AD is very fuckin strong on many non AD champs.
TTK Dreadnought1 votesyea. i got surprised one day by an AD Crit malph top. made trading with him....difficult.
FioraWillCarry1 votesyea. i got surprised one day by an AD Crit malph top. made trading with him....difficult.
Yea, the one in my game had two crit items. Shiv and IE I believe they were. His other AD items were all geared towards lifesteal, the way one would build Aatrox. He was impossible to duel.
TTK Dreadnought10 votesthat moment when aatrox gets outdated by an AD-Crit malphite.....lol
Auz the Ripper1 votesAD critical Kassadin is my favorite
I've out busted a LeBlanc, it was great
FioraWillCarry1 votes[{quoted}](name=Auz the Ripper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4FYAFsZ7,comment-id=00010000000000010000000000010001,timestamp=2016-09-08T18:00:20.916+0000)
AD critical Kassadin is my favorite
I've out busted a LeBlanc, it was great
Anything that can beat that broken OP shit Leblanc has to be broken :D
Hawkefire3 votesI personally wonder if that seems to be due to itemization favoring AD period right now rather than Ekko's kit. Not entirely sure on that though, bit difficult to tell.
Marshbouy3 votesa bit of both. His kit gives him so much safety and CC that he has almost no trade offs when building tank except for slightly reduced damage. Combine his W passive, passive, and his general stickyness and building AD is just too good becasue you can apply and reapply it constantly.
Ralanr7 votesI think they may have to remove the stun on his W. Giving an assassin AoE slows or a single target hard CC is enough utility imo. Having AoE hard CC (even if it can be difficult to aim sometimes) just encourages to be abused. Especially on someone as slippery as Ekko.
AoE hard CC is incredibly powerful to have on a basic ability.
Marshbouy4 votesdunno why riot thought "lets make a utility assassin"
Ralanr1 votesAs an answer to feast or famine assassins.
Though I will never understand the thought process of, "This whole class is struggling with this particular problem. Let's make a new champion in that class that doesn't have that problem cause...it'll fix the problem?"
That's how Irelia was born and I fucking wish she didn't exist.
Marshbouy3 votesEven if ekko couldn't be built as a tank and was an average assassin, since he lacks the feast/famine issue, wouldn't he automatically outclass all assassins? rito pls.
"This whole class is struggling with this particular problem. Let's make a new champion in that class that doesn't have that problem cause...it'll fix the problem?"
RITO PLS
Strawberrycocoa4 votesIts like complaining about Fiora, Wukong, Master Yi, Lee, Vi, Xin Zhao building tanky.
There's a difference between "building tanky" and "building 
as your first two items, and still winning trades over an opponent who built damage items first".
TTK Dreadnought5 votesA tank winning extended/prolonged trades against a champion who built damage early game isnt new (unless its a juggernaut).
Strawberrycocoa2 votesThat's exactly my point though, Ekko isn't intended to be a tank, he shouldn't be able to thrive with Tank items as his first purchases.
TTK Dreadnought4 votesYea, but you cant nerf the tank items without hitting every tank (nautilus top/jungle is already in an bad spot in terms of win rate). and you cant hit his base stats too much or else his early game will be worst which may entice them to build potentially tankier more often early.
YurÌ on Ice2 votesIt's a lot better indicator than saying "well hur dur he feels broken to me". If you have some actual evidence that he is outperforming a majority of champions or that he really is broken then i'd like to see it.
no LCS does not count(if it did then you would have to admit that rek sai is busted), and being built as AD bruiser when he is supposed to be AP assassin is a different kind of broken.
Here we go again with the contradiction.
Guys this guy used to be one of the dedicated circlejerk leaders on the "nerf azir" bandwagon, and whenever winrates were brought up he was like "they don't mean shit". Don't bother he has the credibility of a 3 legged donkey infected with malaria.
Marshbouy1 votesPretty sure all of what you said was a strawman.
In LCS ekko is good. Just like how rek sai is good in LCS.
The author of this post is not talking about LCS though, he's talking about dynamicQ ranked where the winrates of champions and their playerbase do matter. More specifically he is talking about how OP, or annoying this champion is.
LCS=/=DynamicQ ranked. It is sad that azir, rek sai, and shen all got nerfed so hard, but for LCS it was necessary.
adidas2 votesMy point is ekko is busted annoying horribly designed and frustrating.
Theres not a single person that can say '' Ekkos fine''
Because hes fucking not. Hes violating so much stuff that got other champs nerfed and adjusted. Ekko has too much in his kit
No he doesnt? Oh so having 3 slows, an aoe stun, movement speed 3 hit % health bonus, ult that rewinds him 4 seconds ago and gains a shit ton of health while doing damage, dash+blink in one skill that procs on hit
is
not
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okay
idc what elo you're in. you cant say that hes ''fine'' he needs to be fixed
Marshbouy1 votesHe's not broken in a conventional sense. He's not broken because he is OP, he is broken because bad design. If you would have stated "ekko has bad design" then i would have gone "your right but this is the 80th time i have seen this". you post just seemed like another pointless "wah wah wah tank ekko built only trinity force and one shot me wah wah wah"
you cant say that hes ''fine'' he needs to be fixed
please state when i said that.
adidas1 votesHe's not broken in a conventional sense. He's not broken because he is OP, he is broken because bad design. If you would have stated "ekko has bad design" then i would have gone "your right but this is the 80th time i have seen this". you post just seemed like another pointless "wah wah wah tank ekko built only trinity force and one shot me wah wah wah"
please state when i said that.
I didnt say you said that. Im saying trying to argue that ekko qq threads are pointless are pretty dumb considering we ignore posts that maybe complain about katarina but when there is 30 posts about the same champ somethings obviously wrong.
Ekko is broken point and simple. Whether it be by bad design or op, he is broken
47892 votesyes, winrate isn't all, however, ekko is made to be like that idiot XD he doesn't do well in huge teamfights, hes meant to be a pain in the ass during skirmishes, in big fights, unless ur braindead and cant predict his w and track his ult shadow, hes really not that broken. I play a fair bit of ekko, yes bruiser is annoying but its not as oppressive as old tank ekko. this one actually makes u get in there and have to actually be a tank to do some dmg, instead of old sunfire gauntlet ekko where u just go ham and spam <3
Bagguette1 votes(Don't downvote me) but dosen't win rate define if a champ is broken or not? Riven has a 50 percent win rate, does that mean shes broken?
Votable Jester2 votesNo it does not.
Win rate includes those numerous people who are trying out champions for the first time. Those people are more likely to fail (and thus lose) with more complex champions (Azir) than with simpler champions (Garen). As such, a balanced high skillcap champion should generally have a win-rate slightly under 50%. This does not apply to those simpler champions as even an inexperienced player on those champions can manage to do something.
Win-rates are also skewed towards lesser skilled players as the majority of players are in Silver and Bronze. What may be op there (Master Yi) may not be op in Challenger and pro play. The reverse is also true (think Azir again).
aqours fanboy4 votesShame you got downvoted. You aren't even wrong, dude doesn't win at all.
I got flamed for tryna Ekko mid in a ranked match a few days back like XD
Marshbouy4 votesit's just the anti ekko circlejerk at this point.
MunchCrunchLunch10 votesremove half his cc. and give him higher damage. okay. let him be still played as a tank. but he won't be annoying with 1000 slows. just keep the W. i think his Q ability. needs to be removed. it kind of messes up the assassin part and enhances waveclear for tanks. its too slow of a skill shot to be good on an assassin.
notmebuthim10 votesHis concept is pretty cool, but they pact way too much crap in his kit. Speed ups, aoe slow(2), aoe stun, a shield, %hp damage, %hp heal, a dash, a teleport through time. Compare his kit to like Garen, who has a speed up, hp regen, armor mr, and an execute. #givegarenlove
Teslium4 votesHe has 3 slows, not 2.
3ofGot40ve1 votesQ + W = 2
Awoof8 votes*W, not E Also his passive which makes 3, but that isn't aoe
Strawberrycocoa8 votesIt's so furstrating to play against a champion who was INTENDED to be a light mobile dealer, but can rush purely tank items as his first TWO buys and still win trades based solely on base stats.
RG Velean2 votesHe doesn't rush purely tank items. His first two buys currently are Tri-Force into Spirit Visage. His old build used to be Iceborn into sunfire cape, which still gave him the extra damage on auto's because of Sheen. If you ever see an ekko build straight tank items such as spirit visage into say a righteous glory, then he will be the most useless thing on the planet other than a front liner.
Cosmic Warper7 votesPeople are only angry because ekko is meta. If he wasn't meta ( a la season 5) people wouldn't care like they didn't a year ago.
Ekko does have an overloaded kit, but he isn't broken. Overpowered||overloaded != broken
LatetotheRace4 votesWell we could fix his kit... and then he'd be balanced and NOT so damn unfun to play against.
hhaavviikk1 votesI don't see how to fix his kit to make AP ekko viable though, his burst is too delayed to be viable.