With Ziggs in the spotlight we've forgotten the real problem, Caitlyn.

NodirjonSattarov··10 votes·735 views

Tone this mother fucking champion down. Remove the Runaan interaction with her passive, remove headshot proc from her abilities, remove the aa passive steroid. I'm sick and tired of a meta where an ADC can be passive (AND HARASS) and come out more successful than an ADC that tries to snowball early (Draven, Lucian). On top of that, ADCs that HAVE TO PLAY PASSIVE KogMaw end up having the shittiest late game out of all the ADCs. No reward for so much punishment early game.

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Avienal1 votes

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Tone this mother fucking champion down. Remove the Runaan interaction with her passive, remove headshot proc from her abilities, remove the aa passive steroid. I'm sick and tired of a meta where an ADC can be passive (AND HARASS) and come out more successful than an ADC that tries to snowball early (Draven, Lucian). On top of that, ADCs that HAVE TO PLAY PASSIVE KogMaw end up having the shittiest late game out of all the ADCs. No reward for so much punishment early game.

Would you rather more champions be viable with item 3085's? Plenty of specific ADCS have to rely on Runaan's for team fighting especially ones that make use of on hits as their damage and building regular ADC style would be poor for them. While a good deal of others would look absolutely retarded on using runaan's. Really i would say some of the problems that i see alot of people are complaining about on Caitlyn is due to how her kit and stats work

-She has one of the highest 'base' ranges technically so she has the ability to poke from a distance. -Her mana costs tend to be relatively low on her 'core use abilities' and really Q does not even see much use as i used to see to where i would not be amazed if Caitlyn players priortize W for its powerful effect and being able to stock them fast for the damage.

Try to recall that Vayne Draven and MissFortune fit the opposite side with plenty of BS jump in close and B.S empower damage poking, namely the latter was due to that black cleaver+ghost blade B.S. combo but Vayne and Draven can both just stack Q first and pull off super high damage spikes with empowered Q, going even higher thanks to crits, but both of them do have to get closer to constantly B.S. damage poke screw ya.

Course in a sense Varus i would also say is annoying for playing the snipe fest annoyance game where you have to constantly put attention to him pulling his silly long range Skill shot ability spam(which anything like that really needs a high mana cost if it does not already have one), plenty of times where people get so caught up in dealing with that B.S. they don't notice the enemy jungler till a half second after they rushed at you and wind up getting killed even after you flash escaped away.

Never the less, i'd rather champions be annoying and a VARIETY of them exist in the same role to where no one is screwed with any champion they pick for that role when they go against someone like caitlyn, because your champion would have its own B.S. factor to match up against them. But obviously when some champions get too much of a kit and too much free reign and can basically dominate anything (Vayne) that's when those champions DEFINITELY need the nerf hammer.

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Caitlyn could use some fine tuning but she is not that out of control compared to Sion and Nautilus being practically unkillable top laner fkers, TahmKench support who can basically deny a death for a team mate by eating them and then spitting them out to safety, take a ally thru his mini TP ultimate, get a ridiculous grey shield and still have a % health gimmick as bonus auto damage. Oh lets not forget Vayne Yasuo Syndra LeeSin and how im now hearing that Ziggs has become a scary champion in the botlane, need to look that up but its silly when a champion spikes from eh playing to auto ban 100% of the time with no delay on them progressing to being that strong.

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

Prior to S6, hardly any champion used Runaans. After they changed the passive on Runaans, it was too hard to give up. How to fix this problem? Remove the Runaan interaction with every ADC and either give more attack speed or crit with the side bolts doing less damage or simply not applying on hit effects.

XxxLumberJackxxX1 votes

And adding crit to it

Sambers1 votes

Caitlyn is just a pain in the ass to lane against, combine that champ with Sona, Karma,Janna and u pretty much can't lose lane unless u get camped...

Hencho1011 votes

Ashe Caitlyn Corki Draven Ezreal Jhin Jinx Kalista KogMaw Lucian MissFortune Sivir Tristana Twitch Urgot Varus Vayne. Out of all these ADCs the ones who play a shitty passive poke are: Ashe Caitlyn Corki Ezreal Jinx Sivir Urgot Varus

The ones that play passive and can't poke because of early game damage down: Vayne KogMaw

And the snow ball ones: Draven Jhin Kalista Lucian MissFortune Tristana Twitch

The thing that i dislike about this line up, there are more pokey passive champs then agro snowbally champs. Most of the time the agro's fuck over the pokes(Draven vsEzreal draven will win) and some pokes will fuck over other pokes(Ezreal vsSivir sivir will win that) but then you bring in Caitlyn into ANY match up and she has NONE that are just an auto loss, yes she has bad ones(Sivir Varus) but she will not see them and think "shit ill prob lose this lane." She has 625 range(only people to out range her are: Annie KogMaw with his W going and Tristana at level 11) and because of that range she has THE MOST RANGE OUT OF ANY ADC(w/o any modifiers). It just makes her a HUGE lane bully w/o ANY problem farming with a good amount of AD on top of this. So if you send her vs a Vayne, cait just won't even HAVE TO TRY to win this lane. It just is poke poke poke poke poke poke and that's ALL the lane EVER is. The Vayne has NOTHING she can do to poke back, do any damage or even FARM w/o getting poked. The ONLY way i can act BEAT A CAIT INTO THE GROUND, is with Jhin/Alistar. Damage, cc, range, a meat shield, HUGE engage, heals just EVERYTHING a Caitlyn doesn't want to see. But even THEN if the cait is smart SHE WON'T DIE!!! Cait just has to much range with to easy of a time farming with one of the BEST items for HER KIT(item 3085) and has nothing she auto loses to and on top of that ALL she has almost 0 skill cap what so ever. I would put her as an S tier ADC until something comes up that starts to act impact HER, like a nerf or a champ that can keep up with the poke/range w/o having to use mana as ADC.

TL;DR, Cait has nothing she auto loses to, has to much range, poke, farming ability and needs something that can counter her and BE almost an auto loss

GULAG 4 U1 votes

With your suggested changes, that isn't balancing, that is sending caitlyn to the aatrox tier.

NodirjonSattarov1 votes

Removing the ability to crit with the passive damage would be reasonable.

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