Not to the team but to the person who dc'd I just had a game where I lost I think 19 LP because I got back into the game 5 seconds too late. I didn't mean to dc, I didn't want to leave. But I lost 19 LP for a game I didn't even play that I might have won. However I think any remake after should go up to a normal loss.
AgentBlack2 votesI don't see why the remake penalty should be any different than dodging Champ select.
Silly Neeko1 votesBut then trolls will do that every other game to tilt their teams
Finn Teh Human1 votesAssuming you didn't read the whole post.... I said that the FIRST game should be. And then going up to 10 then the regular LP amount since it's the equivalent to dodging in champ select Why would a troll afk and cost their team what? 5 minutes? At cost to them.
Silly Neeko1 votesSo the absolute first game, and no games even a year after that, similar to refund points.......? Or how long inbetween is it to do that?
You obviously do not know just how tilted people get after 3 remade games, resulting in potentially 6-15+ minutes looking for a game, 15-21 minutes of going through champion select again, anywhere between 3-15ish minutes on average of loading screen per 3 games, only to spend another 9 minutes waiting to remake and do it all again.
That is a total of 33-60 minutes easily of wasted time for 9 players other than the trolls for 3 games. 11-20 minutes per game remade easily.
Yes, people do that even with the current LP drop.
They could care less, they are just doing it because they are bored and want to troll.
And then by the time you actually do get into game, you easily could have yet another troll that pretty much purposefully loses you the game.
RogueWill1 votesSounds like a normal day on diamond
Finn Teh Human1 votes<--- is a League of Legends player so obviously I do. Just because people dodge doesn't automatically make them a "troll". Not everyone is trolling. And if the trolls don't care then why would it be a problem to do it? It would only help the people who are actually dcing. It would work like dodging, there is a 24 hour timer on each -3 lp remake. Only once every 24 hours.
Silly Neeko1 votesOnce every 24 hours...... A troll would utilize that every day. The average player like me or you...... That happens roughly once a week? A month?
A troll would be able to do this once a day for the most minimal of of punishments. -3 LP every day for 6 days would be -18. They could do this 6 days straight and still recieve less of a punishment than you would if you did it once a week at the current LP drop.
Yes i am speaking hypothetically, in the most pessimistic version of what could happen.... Because it is something that is easily exploited and i often see people exploiting an opportunity every time that it arises.
It COULD benefit the average player that has this issue every now and then, but it WILL help any troll that plans to utilize it every day.
Finn Teh Human1 votesStarting to think you're a troll...It would benefit more people than it would harm. Infact I'm sure the majority of the community would rather wait an extra 5 minutes than lose 16-20 LP because they randomly dc'd.
Silly Neeko1 votesWhen was the last time that you had a game remade because of your d/cing and being unable to connect to the game? My last time was at least a month ago.
Finn Teh Human1 votesAgain since you apparently don't read a post before you comment was a day ago. It doesn't happen often but it DOES happen. Now can I please talk to someone who can understand what they're even talking about?
Silly Neeko1 votesApperently you do not have a clue what either of us is talking about. Either that or you purposefully decided to avoid the point I was trying to make by being a smart alec.
Yes, a day ago you made this post about it happening. How about BEFORE THAT perhaps instead of going for the most obvious answer that you did post already, ill admit.
So i apologize for not spelling out every single detail about my request for once, and not trying to make an hour long post just for you to even TRY and see what it is that I am very descriptively, with facts of things that are ALREADY happening, trying to tell you.
You even said it does not happen very often. For most people, it would not even happen once a day. For most people I would assume not even once a week.
When was the last time BEFORE a day ago, that you were not able to get into a ranked game, and your team remade because of it?
P.S. Please do not wait 24 hours to say "it was 2 days ago".
Finn Teh Human1 votesI mean you're sitting there trying to say that "every troll would abuse this". Guess you assume everyone is a troll if you lose a game lol. Also I'm not sitting on boards 24 hours a day like someone who just got out of school for the summer :-) How many posts have you only posted a negative comment on? And from 2 of your comments it doesn't seem like you actually READ a full post before you comment. Does it happen often? No. But how many people enjoy losing a series game, losing LP, even being demoted for a game they NEVER played and could have won. But please keep blaming your games on trolls and blaming everything on trolls because obviously there must be more of them then there are people who just want to play.
Silly Neeko1 votesOh look, personal attack because you are unable to defend your suggestion and to avoid the question yet again.
Perhaps you should actually read what someone says before you try to make an assumption.
I read what you said, disagreed with it, explained why, and was hoping you could actually make a counter arguement like you should if you post something like this.
Im saying trolls would. I did not say "every troll" but i said trolls. This could range from a single troll, to every troll. The average player would pretty much be oblivious to it even existing due to how long inbetween incidences there are.
Trolls already take advantage of the current system.... Or sorry, so that I do not offend you because "did you just assume they're a troll?"....... PEOPLE already take advantage of the current system. Once in a blue moon it would help out someone like you who was actually hoping to play the game.
Now please, if you are going to just resort to making personal attacks, dont bother replying.
I have said my arguement, I am still waiting for you to explain and defend your point. You have only said that not everyone is a troll. Yes i agree, not everyone is. However, I pointed out that anyone who wants to take advantage of it for whatever their reason may be, can do so. I even explained why a troll would take advantage of it. People will also take advantage of it because "I cant dodge another champ select without losing a ton of LP, so lets minimize how much i lose because I dont like our team comp/i dont like how a team mate was acting in champ select so im going to assume they are a troll, so i will leave the game cause its better than wasting my time."
Finn Teh Human1 votesHow exactly is it a personal attack when you've been saying that only trolls will abuse it? And no, you didn't read what I've said because I've had to resay what I had already mentioned in the original post. I've never had one person who dc'd and then came back after the remake and said "LOOOOL GET REKT TROLLING YOU". No, they've even said sorry because they didn't mean to dc. And why in the hell do you think I said it would be -3 LP instead of 0 LP? Not surprised you didn't read anything again It's so people won't do it instead of dodging in champ select. And so what if people use it because of a troll? Would you rather play a game with a troll in it and lose wasting 30+ minutes or only 5? Oh wait, I'm sorry you don't like someone's idea to make the game better. I'm not offended I'm just laughing my ass off at the fact the first thing you've said on here is that trolls would abuse it lol. Most trolls don't even troll until they start to lose lane and they get flamed.
Silly Neeko1 votesPlease read the entire comment. I know it is long, but it may help reduce the negative mood that is going on atm.
I think that the downvotes your post is getting is proof enough that others do not think it would make the game better. I have not voted up or down, so dont worry, im neutral. I have kept my personal feelings out of this because, again, i was hoping you could actually back up WHY you think this will help.
You had a very blanket statement of you wanted a -3 lp for the first remake. The reason for this is because you just had a game remade on you and you lost -19 lp.
You say you did not mean to d/c, i can believe that, because you are basically thinking im attacking you by saying there would be trolls abusing this.
You restated that -3 lp, and then said for it to go to -10, then the regular lp loss.... Even after your original post said
However I think any remake after should go up to a normal loss.
You changed your stance on the subject. This is fine, unless you are going to continuously try to say someone did not read your commentary and post... Because then they might feel the need to point out how much has actually been read.
You point out that you have dealt with trolls, and that just because someone dodges does not make them a troll.
You then point out that if trolls do not care, then it would only help those who are actually d/cing. I counter arguemented that the average player like you or me (note, i was trying to imply i figured you were not a troll here) would only have the -3 lp for remake happen to us roughly once a week - month at worst.
I then explained that yes, i am speaking hypothetical of the consequences that could happen if this change was implimented due to it being easily exploitable. I also explained the math of why it would be exploited.
You then proceeded to say that you were thinking i was trolling you. You then made a comment about
Infact I'm sure the majority of the community would rather wait an extra 5 minutes than lose 16-20 LP because they randomly dc'd.
Which is your own personal belief, that has nothing to back it up.
I then asked when the last time you had a game remade because of you, and you claimed again i did not read your post or commentary. When i asked the question I was thinking of it as if that was a present time event, and was hoping you would tell me when the last time it happened to you before that event. This i thought was very common, and therefor did not need to be explained. It is similar to how if you are sick and someone asks "when was the last time you were sick?" and you tell them "right now".
You also said it does not happen often but it does happen. Yes i agree, but there is no seperating out who is doing it on purpose and who is just a victim of circumstance. Therefor they would both be treated the same. Unless there is a substantial amount of gain for the accidental, then it does not outweigh the benefits for the purposeful.
I then after some semi snarky commentary (which i admit was not needed and did nothing but add to the negative mood, so i do apologize for that), restated my question to hopefully compensate in requesting how long it was before this last time referenced in the original post that you had a game remade because of you.
You avoided the question again. You then made a personal attack on me saying that i only think trolls make the games get remade... that i sit on the boards 24/7 with a commentary about me being out of school for the summer to likely try and say that you think im acting like im not even out of high school, which you ended with a :-) to make sure it was obvious you were subtly trying to call me a kid, while attempting to still have some kind of class (not school class) which was well done, however is also false.... Searched up my comment history (very big indicator that you are making a personal attack) to try and find something to criticize me about and found 2 negative comments i made on someones thread, (one of which im almost willing to bet was on a comment that i made to someone, after reading their previous commentary on the post. Something you likely did not do and so you just tried jumping to the conclusion that i did not read the commentary, same as you kept claiming i was not reading yours.) in an attempt at pointing out i do not fully read what i am commenting about.
You did attempt at tieing it into your backing of your suggestion, by saying even though it does not happen often, it does happen. Yes, i have agreed with you on this, however i do not see how it would benefit the average player over the trolls and people who would do it purposefully, due to the rarity that the average person would have a game remade because of them. Yes it happens, however it is normally not done by the same person for a LONG time after. Thus, there is no actual benefit for the average player except for the once in a blue moon -3 lp instead of -19.
I then with a bit more snarky commentary and lots of emphasis on everything that i was meaning, explained that i disagreed with your suggestion, and wanted you to explain why you thought this suggestion of yours would be beneficial, instead of me simply saying no i do not agree with it. I prefer trying to see why people make a suggestion like this, because it would benefit their suggestion and possibly even have another supporter of it. I restated my disagreement of your suggestion.
You also avoided the question of when the last time you had a game remade because of you before this last time.... Again.
Then, you seemed oblivious to how you were making a personal attack, and made it very obvious you did not read my commentary by saying
when you've been saying that only trolls will abuse it?
When there was multiple instances before that, that would indicate otherwise. Proceeded to claim that i think only trolls would abuse this again, and exaggerated what you perceive to be my thought process is. You explained that you had people come back after the remake and say sorry, but you assumed that a troll would make it obvious they were trolling. Ive seen people who intentionally feed and not even say a word. Ive seen trolls start trolling simply because they can. They do not only do it when someone aggitates them, most of them is only when soneone aggitates them..... But there is still quite a few who do it just because they find it funny. The stuff that aggitates them could have absolutely nothing to do with the people in their game either. It could be they disliked something Riot did, or something that happened in their previous game, or even events in their life... It is not ALWAYS because of the people who are in the game. However that is also a possability.
I will admit (if this is the case), that i do not know the punishment for dodging in champ select. I do not dodge. But a -3 lp is close enough to 0, and would also result in you being knocked out of promotions. So there is no benefit outside of less lp loss, which is negligible at best seeing as you still need to play another game to get the LP back. Just its a smaller hit. That is the only thing that your suggestion will have that benefits the average player. This is, again, once in a blue moon. Whereas it can be over utilized by trolls easily.
Hopefully you will stop trying to claim i have not read what you were saying and start actually trying to back up your suggestion.
There are more people who disagree with you than agree, but likely a lot more that is just neutral about it and could go either way. To even attempt at getting a suggestion like this implimented, you would need people to support it. To have people support it you would need a strong arguement, and that requires viewing the opposing side.
Finn Teh Human1 votestl;dr I understand you believe trolls are keeping you down, instead of assuming every time someone dodges or someone "afk's" they're a troll, maybe you should consider they might not be doing it on purpose. Also there were upvotes before you came on the post.
Silly Neeko1 votesOf course you didnt read it. Tbh i figured you wouldnt. You have not read anything I have said so far, so why should you have started now.
Either that or you just could care less about trying to understand what i was saying because it disagreed with you.
If there was upvotes, then you have even more downvotes than i realized.
DrCyanide1 votesHow would that be different than a troll dodging lobby at the last moment?
Silly Neeko1 votesBecause one wastes potentially 6-9 minutes. The other wastes 11-20. See my breakdown of the times in post number 2 of mine to the OP thinking i did not read the entire post.