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There is no excuse for using racism in game

Finn Teh Human··33 votes·3,123 views

I don't care if you were trying to joke. I don't care if you were saying it to a friend as a joke. It's racist and it can hurt someone else. By all means be toxic, at least toxic people can change. Tyler1 has proven that. At least when you're toxic you're not mocking someone and shaming them for how they were born. I'm not saying toxicity is okay, but I would much rather have someone who says something toxic than someone who is trying to personally attack someone else on my team The internet is not a nice place, I get that. But if you've been racist and have gotten a perma ban you have no right to ask to be unbanned.

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Subdue12 votes

I can't help it. Seeing those yordles just makes me cringe...

Rand0mH3r0X3 votes

Chogath "Your races are a scourge upon the world."

Brain Errör 4048 votes

I feel the reason racism/sexism and homophobia go on for such a long ass time is because the world continues to censor it. "Calling a black person the N word is offensive. Calling a gay a F---ot is offensive." If those things were used in every day life, continuously over decades with no censorship, the weight behind the words would fade.

I'm not saying it's okay, but I personally feel humanity needs to grow up and get over it. Just my opinion. This is coming from a guy that has gay friends, doesn't care when my "white" friends say the N word and is totally objective with no racial, sexist or homophobe consensus. It's about time people stop being so feeble and start building strong character. And this is by all means just towards the words themselves and not towards direct personal attacks because I stand by the fact that words can and WILL hurt you.

Zelorxon1 votes

Wow, it's almost like they're trying to distract us with something minor so that we don't think about something major... It really makes you think doesn't it?

Brain Errör 4042 votes

I've always had a problem with the way the world censor things, to be honest. Only people that actually go out and research really know how bad, retarded and ridiculous censoring is. And not even just in the US.

Finn Teh Human7 votes

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I feel the reason racism/sexism and homophobia go on for such a long ass time is because the world continues to censor it. "Calling a black person the N word is offensive. Calling a gay a F---ot is offensive." If those things were used in every day life, continuously over decades with no censorship, the weight behind the words would fade.

I'm not saying it's okay, but I personally feel humanity needs to grow up and get over it. Just my opinion. This is coming from a guy that has gay friends, doesn't care when my "white" friends say the N word and is totally objective with no racial, sexist or homophobe consensus. It's about time people stop being so feeble and start building strong character. And this is by all means just towards the words themselves and not towards direct personal attacks because I stand by the fact that words can and WILL hurt you.

If people knew where the words came from and the history of the words then don't you think they should have the decency not to use those words?? Look at the people who use them. I'd rather stick to my standards then lower them to the scum of the earth.

Jorencice3 votes

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If people knew where the words came from and the history of the words then don't you think they should have the decency not to use those words?? Look at the people who use them. I'd rather stick to my standards then lower them to the scum of the earth.

No you would rather FORCE people to stick to YOUR standards.

Free speech isn't free if you can say "well not that"

BigBellBrute3 votes

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No you would rather FORCE people to stick to YOUR standards.

Free speech isn't free if you can say "well not that"

Bull crap. You don't want freedom of speech. In fact if that is all you were after, you'd realize you already have it. The government will not arrest you for saying the N word or joining the klan. You in fact already have freedom of speech as required.

No. Instead what you want is freedom from the consequences of hate speech and bigotry. You want to deprive Riot of freedom of association. You see they aren't the government. They are free not to have bigotry spoken on their game's message boards and free to give those that say them the consequences of getting banned. Further, you want to deprive others the rights to their free speech to call out bigots of all types for their bigotry.

leaugesbane2 votes

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Bull crap. You don't want freedom of speech. In fact if that is all you were after, you'd realize you already have it. The government will not arrest you for saying the N word or joining the klan. You in fact already have freedom of speech as required.

No. Instead what you want is freedom from the consequences of hate speech and bigotry. You want to deprive Riot of freedom of association. You see they aren't the government. They are free not to have bigotry spoken on their game's message boards and free to give those that say them the consequences of getting banned. Further, you want to deprive others the rights to their free speech to call out bigots of all types for their bigotry.

hate speech is free speech fyi the supreme court already ruled on this btw

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/?utm_term=.b78e8074c4cc

its the washitngtoncompost but it should be enough to prove it for you

EvilDustMan1 votes

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hate speech is free speech fyi the supreme court already ruled on this btw

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/06/19/supreme-court-unanimously-reaffirms-there-is-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/?utm_term=.b78e8074c4cc

its the washitngtoncompost but it should be enough to prove it for you

Government. Not private institutions. The example they use is also a pretty exceptional edge case.

zPOOPz1 votes

Can you source for us which laws protect "free speech" from PRIVATE entity? Do you even know what free speech is and what you are being protect FROM?

Jorencice1 votes

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zPOOPz1 votes

SUPER party foul!

Never bring politic into a non-politic discussion. You seem to have some chips on your shoulder. Might want to have it checked out by a professional....

Brain Errör 4046 votes

The origin of the words don't matter half as much as context. Gay use to mean happy. Context changed that term to mean homosexual. F-aggot use to be used to refer to a bundle of sticks. Context changed that to mean homosexual (also informal form of speech). F-ag, the shortened version, is a term that refers to a task being tiring. Context, yet again, changed that to mean homosexual (and also a more slang form of f-aggot).

If we trace back the origins of the word n-igger, then you'd realize it was a NEUTRAL term that derived from the Spanish word Negro. It was used to describe the skin color of a black person BEFORE the term "African Americans" became an ethnicity. It was NEVER an insult. But guess what made it an insult? Fucking context. If you wanna sit here and argue origins and then talk about decency -- then further say "I'd rather stick to my standards then lower them to the scum of the earth", you should do some fact checks. Because you know what truly is a shame? Fucking ignorance. The herpa derpa my feelings are hurt because you made up a term to describe my skin color shenanigans need to stop.

People sit down and blindly follow the ignorant notions that the "great" people of America preach without ever questioning any of it. But, I won't delve too far into politics/regulations and laws.

kasfas2 votes

Now, which great people are you talking about here? Remember America still needs to be made great again.

DeathBot6661 votes

Except your post demonstrates one of the major problems with these kind of words. F***** was originally a bundle of sticks, yes, but it was more than that. It was a bundle of sticks which was considered to have no other use than to be burned as fire wood. By applying it to a person you are saying they aren't good enough to be with normal people, and should be destroyed. Now, naturally you aren't really trying to say that (I sincerely hope), but that is what the word means, and by using it when you don't know its denotation is wrong, because its much more hurtful to the people who do know.

BigNasty30021 votes

Except you are wrong about the origin of the n-word. Perhaps you should do some reading on triangle trade slavery and the Civil Rights movement before spouting ignorance on internet forums.

Votable Jester1 votes

So how do you feel about black people who use the N word? Or gay people who say f---got for instance?

zPOOPz2 votes

They are toxic hypocrite and I will report them regardless of whether they are black, white, gay, straight, or anything in between.

Equal opportunity report against racial and homophobic slurs!

Cowseed1 votes

toxic hypocrite

Explain please

zPOOPz2 votes

The N or f--- word itself is racist/homophobic regardless of who uses it. The fact that they use it at all is toxic. These people will turn around and cry racist/homophobic and report you if you use. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Cowseed3 votes

These people will turn around and cry racist/homophobic and report you if you use.

I don't report for anything that I do/say myself. Nor do I condemn anyone also. This is a huge generalization where you're putting everyone of a race in the same level of sensitivity to racially contraversal behaiviours/topics. Not everyone is the same. Report them for using whatever words they use that are actually reportable I guess but don't get so presumptuous as to think you know how everyone is dude.

Lawd Dawg1 votes

I mean yea the n word USED to have a really negative connotation with it. Same with the f word. I've had white friends come up to me and say whats up my n*. I've called my gay frieds f*. Heck I've even gone up to some of my mexican friends and ask them how their pole jumping skills are going. Do they get offended? Nope

Finn Teh Human1 votes

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I mean yea the n word USED to have a really negative connotation with it. Same with the f word. I've had white friends come up to me and say whats up my n*. I've called my gay frieds f*. Heck I've even gone up to some of my mexican friends and ask them how their pole jumping skills are going. Do they get offended? Nope

I was talking with a group of black friends the other day and we all agreed that there are 2 versions of the N word. The n*a and n**r. One usually meaning friend and the other as a word that shouldn't be used.

Lawd Dawg1 votes

Yea have to agree with you there.

Cowseed1 votes

But.... that really isn't the scummiest thing you can say. It's quite often joked about by persons in smaller groups but when it comes to a public stage everyone keeps trying to make everyone else take it personally. Like the N word. Don't really care about the word in any context unless it's used to attack someone personally but you're here right now trying to tell people that they should be offended by it.

All this really serves is concentrating the issue instead of making it dilute naturally. If two friends make a joke to each other it's not really your business to police them don't you think unless they bring someone else into it.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

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But.... that really isn't the scummiest thing you can say. It's quite often joked about by persons in smaller groups but when it comes to a public stage everyone keeps trying to make everyone else take it personally. Like the N word. Don't really care about the word in any context unless it's used to attack someone personally but you're here right now trying to tell people that they should be offended by it.

All this really serves is concentrating the issue instead of making it dilute naturally. If two friends make a joke to each other it's not really your business to police them don't you think unless they bring someone else into it.

It's one thing to joke to a friend. But people will do it in League chat and then get reported and bitch about being reported. I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should think. One guy posted and said that basically if enough people said things like that it would become acceptable. Does that mean that if enough people should rape/murder/steal it should also be acceptable?

Cowseed1 votes

Rape/Murder - words refering to illegal acts frowned upon by the general populous.

f/n other words - words used by persons in the past to ostrasize/descriminate/shun persons from a certain group or society.

The difference is no matter how much you talk about rape it really wont be ok a thing to do in any situation same thing with murder. It is okay to talk about it in many context though but it still doesn't change the attitude towards the act.

The f, n and other words like these actually probably could be used and have a less offensive impact one day. Much like the word Nazi if you were to use this 1 year after the second world war you'd probably recieve a lot of back lash in many contexts of use.

It's one thing to be offended yourself but being a black person let me put it this way. If someone says some black joke or something and you give me a look expecting me to be offended you will do nothing more than piss me off. In a similar way someone told his friend a joke you deemed to be racist or something or said something racist to his friend but a lot of people actually realize they don't understand the context so they believe it should be left alone. But you seem to be working yourself up over this and trying to make them find it offensive.

Could you please think this through a bit more.

Finn Teh Human2 votes

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Rape/Murder - words refering to illegal acts frowned upon by the general populous.

f/n other words - words used by persons in the past to ostrasize/descriminate/shun persons from a certain group or society.

The difference is no matter how much you talk about rape it really wont be ok a thing to do in any situation same thing with murder. It is okay to talk about it in many context though but it still doesn't change the attitude towards the act.

The f, n and other words like these actually probably could be used and have a less offensive impact one day. Much like the word Nazi if you were to use this 1 year after the second world war you'd probably recieve a lot of back lash in many contexts of use.

It's one thing to be offended yourself but being a black person let me put it this way. If someone says some black joke or something and you give me a look expecting me to be offended you will do nothing more than piss me off. In a similar way someone told his friend a joke you deemed to be racist or something or said something racist to his friend but a lot of people actually realize they don't understand the context so they believe it should be left alone. But you seem to be working yourself up over this and trying to make them find it offensive.

Could you please think this through a bit more.

I'm not working myself up over it... Or even trying to make people find it offensive... I don't understand how you can stand up for someone and in some way I'm the one who is wrong. I've commented before saying my black boyfriend has found certain things (not just the words, but sentences) said very offensive. I'd write what they said because I'm sure anyone with any soul would find them offensive even if a friend said them. Again, I am not talking about just the "n and f" words. I don't know why I'm now considered wrong for finding it offensive when I have to look at my boyfriend when someone said SOMETHING and not just hurtful word and feel like there is nothing I can do about it. Also most people do find this language offensive, otherwise it would be on TV wouldn't it? It would be allowed in League of Legends and other games.

Cowseed1 votes

I'd write what they said because I'm sure anyone with any soul would find them offensive even if a friend said them.

Thinking like this would put a lot of people in the soul-less catagory. I'd probably be in this catagory myself because I don't take many insults directed at me too seriously from most people or people I don't know. But somethings can can be said as a joke to/at someone whilst being directed at someone else. If what they were saying was truely harmful and meant to get on someone elses nerve then report them or ask support about it.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

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Thinking like this would put a lot of people in the soul-less catagory. I'd probably be in this catagory myself because I don't take many insults directed at me too seriously from most people or people I don't know. But somethings can can be said as a joke to/at someone whilst being directed at someone else. If what they were saying was truely harmful and meant to get on someone elses nerve then report them or ask support about it.

I don't mean every insult. But when someone (and I'm editing this a lot) says something to effect of "you cottonpicker n***** should have stayed slaves" or "brown is also the color of shit" then yes I find it offensive.

Lawd Dawg1 votes

OK there's a difference between acts and words. Its like b*tch. People used to say casually all the time, and now they frown on it. Or biting your thumb at someone. Used to be an insult, now its an inside joke for Shakespheare enthusiasts.

SpyKayle1 votes

Someone needs to give you a damn cookie. I couldn't have said it better.

Darius Strada8 votes

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I I don't care if you were saying it to a friend as a joke.

What's your business in how my friends and I play with each other? You don't know our relationship so don't meddle.

zPOOPz4 votes

Because you and your friends are in "public". What you and your friends say will be read by others not your friend.

If you and your friends joke in the privacy of private messages or voice chat, no one cares.

If you and your friends type out those jokes in-game where there are other non-friend teammate(s) who have to read it, then it becomes his as well as Rito's business....

Be courteous! Be mindful of others around you!

BigBellBrute3 votes

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What's your business in how my friends and I play with each other? You don't know our relationship so don't meddle.

Quite frankly, if I see it or hear it, it's my business.

kasfas8 votes

It really depends on how you define racism.

Modern racism is a f****** joke. I don't hold any respect for people who claim this type of racism. If you are of a certain ethnicity than you shouldn't be offended if I call you that ethnicity. Say you call me "whitey", I don't find that offensive because, although its rude, it doesn't mean anything.

If xxRivenMaster69xx calls out in chat "You F****** N*****!", despite being very rude it does not have any meaning aside from showing frustration. Considering this racist is fallacious and idiotic.

Classical racism, the "you have a different skin colour than us and are therefore inferior" version, is indeed horrible, and has lead to some terrible things in human history.

Such as the opium wars, the western african slave trade (remember slavery was a thing LONG before technological advancement, and in fact still exists today in some third world countries), and Japanese imperialism.

The ENTIRE reason Japan was so eager to gain an empire was to prove to the west that they were equals. This happening only after the enforced trade deals from western countries with massive naval power exploiting what we're at the time seen as inferior people.

So, in the first context no. Calling someone African American, Japanese, Indian, Chinese, Polish, Spanish, or any other of the races should not be reportable in any sense because it doesn't necessarily notate someone's opinions on race superiority, however stating anything to do with superiority, like (for example) "go back to sh****** in the jungle you monkey." directly degrades an individual for their unchangeable apperance and/or history and should be banned.

Ps: If someone declares you to be of any origin, and you take offence to it, that makes YOU the racist because you see that race and those who are it as less than what you are.

SpyKayle2 votes

^^^

Jew Stomper4 votes

"...it can hurt someone else." Words cannot be violent, words cannot hurt. Besides, you can always mute.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

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"...it can hurt someone else." Words cannot be violent, words cannot hurt. Besides, you can always mute.

So if someone said something about you it wouldn't hurt you? LOL.

SpyKayle2 votes

No. It wouldn't to me.

Akali Prime3 votes

one time in a game where it came up that i was black i pretty much got bullied by 3 of the enemy teammates for being black and no one on my team or the enemy team stuck up or defended me, it was a horrible experience.

Natake3 votes

Mind if I piggyback off this? I'd like to extend this to disabilities too. I'm actually autistic. I can't help that. Whenever I lose lane, I get treated to hearing people call me a retarded piece of shit or a fucking autistic scrub, as if I didn't get bullied enough for it growing up. The community being toxic towards others like this is why a lot of people don't want to play League of Legends at all.

BØLT2 votes

How is Tyler these days? I havent watched him in a long time. Him and his 'alpha male fast food orders' LOL

MetalGearTeemu1 votes

friendly reminder that making you post a butthurt message on the forums about it and prove how rattled you are by someone you will likely never interact with again who knows nothing about you saying something on the internet is exactly what he wanted.

You only validate his behavior in his eyes.

Thick skin. Apply it.

Finn Teh Human2 votes

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friendly reminder that making you post a butthurt message on the forums about it and prove how rattled you are by someone you will likely never interact with again who knows nothing about you saying something on the internet is exactly what he wanted.

You only validate his behavior in his eyes.

Thick skin. Apply it.

Also a friendly reminder that I also said there is no excuse meaning I'm talking to people who get banned for it. But again at least I speak how I would to someones face. I don't act like a tough guy on the internet :-)

NinjaGuy691 votes

I mean as unfortunate as it is, racism is pretty much inherent in the Internet because anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people. You can't change most people no matter how hard you try - even with extreme cases like Tyler1. If he didn't get permabanned, he'd probably be as toxic as he is now. In my opinion, he'd probably still be toxic player to this day if he didn't blow up on. I don't personally think he's genuinely reformed and he's probably just being sportsmanlike in game with the hopes of Riot potentially pulling a Jensen and unbanning him one day. Anyway, the best thing to do is to not feed the trolls and mute and report them at the end of the game.

Finn Teh Human2 votes

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I mean as unfortunate as it is, racism is pretty much inherent in the Internet because anonymity tends to bring out the worst in people. You can't change most people no matter how hard you try - even with extreme cases like Tyler1. If he didn't get permabanned, he'd probably be as toxic as he is now. In my opinion, he'd probably still be toxic player to this day if he didn't blow up on. I don't personally think he's genuinely reformed and he's probably just being sportsmanlike in game with the hopes of Riot potentially pulling a Jensen and unbanning him one day. Anyway, the best thing to do is to not feed the trolls and mute and report them at the end of the game.

Tyler1 does seem like he changed, but he was also toxic in a different way. It's not even trolls, it's people who think they have the right to say what they want to because their face is hidden by a computer screen.

NinjaGuy691 votes

Those people who say racist things are trolls though. They do it for the purposes of hurting other people's feelings and to solicit a negative reaction from those people. That's literally the definition of a troll. Now on the topic of what they can and can't say - they're free to say (almost) anything they want whether you like that or not. But that doesn't mean that you should listen to it. Just mute them and focus on your performance and what you can do to help the team.

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