To everyone who refuses to support when autofilled

Finn Teh Human·Feb 25, 2017·58 votes·6,429 views

So why does everyone have such a problem with it? Don't get me wrong, I didn't like it at first. And what really makes me mad is now instead of people understanding they're autofilled and going an actual support, they'll either hijack the entire game and force people out of their roles or just straight up troll. I've gotten so sick of this that I've started going support because I'm tired of people who will ruin a game because they're a fucking child. And y'know what? I've kinda been having fun. Even with an ADC who can't kite and goes 0/11 I've been able to help my team. Even when I do as much damage as our ADC as Leona I've been doing great and have a huge impact on the game. (That happened in the same game lol.) If people actually took the time to learn the role they'd realize it can and does have a big impact if you're a good player.

107 Comments

ParcevalFeb 25, 201715 votes

Support should get the WoW tank/healer treatment and be rewarded with bonus IP, upon winning.

QuephaFeb 25, 20172 votes

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Support should get the WoW tank/healer treatment and be rewarded with bonus IP, upon winning.

People don't really play ranked for IP and trying to drag people to the role who don't really like it just so they can grind faster doesn't seem like it would create games of any better quality than we currently get.

Surr20plzFeb 25, 20172 votes

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People don't really play ranked for IP and trying to drag people to the role who don't really like it just so they can grind faster doesn't seem like it would create games of any better quality than we currently get.

Yeah that's why I think it should grant chests/keys. People do care about that shit.

QuephaFeb 25, 20171 votes

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Yeah that's why I think it should grant chests/keys. People do care about that shit.

People play ranked for LP and maybe the end of season rewards. Everything else can be earned in normals so if they're after that then they won't play ranked.

Surr20plzFeb 26, 20172 votes

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People play ranked for LP and maybe the end of season rewards. Everything else can be earned in normals so if they're after that then they won't play ranked.

People also like money and free shit. Which is what chests and keys represent to a degree. We're trying to lessen trolling/throwing. Not figure out why people play ranked.

OMGSoAnnoyingFeb 26, 20173 votes

Even better, if you win the game you're auto-filled for (regardless of role), you gain bonus LP (if ranked), bonus IP (both ranked and un-ranked). It proves you're a better player simply because you can handle more.

MorgManBasherFeb 25, 201711 votes

You a mid main but got drafted into support? Here you go Velkoz Zilean Veigar MissFortune Karma

You a top main and got drafted into support? Here you go. Sion Trundle Nautilus

Will never understand the hate on playing support. Support is so fun.

Velzard of KozFeb 25, 20178 votes

You ADC main and got drafted into support? MissFortune

What, too soon?

DryditchFeb 26, 20172 votes

Urgot also works.

ShonjlFeb 27, 20171 votes

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You a mid main but got drafted into support? Here you go

You a top main and got drafted into support? Here you go.

Will never understand the hate on playing support. Support is so fun.

The sad thing is this is true. A lot of common mid and top laners can actually support pretty well.

TaliyahcFeb 25, 20179 votes

B-but I am de carry, I haz to git to challenjour.

Giv me mid or feed yu noobz, I am Dimond smurf git gud.

Amasa DelanoFeb 25, 20172 votes

Pick / Annie / Zyra / Velkoz / Malzahar / Lux , poke down the enemy to proc item 3303 , and don't CS.

How hard can that be?

OHminusFeb 25, 20175 votes

Please don't pick Lux.

(Reason being that she doesn't do as much reliable damage as the others, provides less cc in exchange for providing a shield. When in bottom lane, her playstyle is just confused. Might as well pick Karma for more reliable poke and better shields)

XilixerFeb 25, 20174 votes

uhhhh less cc? she has a root, an aoe slow and a shield. sounds like a perfect support. now i am a vel'koz main who plays him both support and mid and he is pretty good at both. he can knock up people who get on the adc and then slow them. as well as peel for the carry.

WindogesFeb 26, 20172 votes

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uhhhh less cc? she has a root, an aoe slow and a shield. sounds like a perfect support. now i am a vel'koz main who plays him both support and mid and he is pretty good at both. he can knock up people who get on the adc and then slow them. as well as peel for the carry.

Yeah. Sounds like a perfect support, however would you pick Lux over someone like Zyra or Morgana (maybe even Malzahar). Lux's snare is basically a bad version of other forms of CC from dedicated support champions.

NuparuFeb 26, 20172 votes

I'd rather not say Lux's CC is the problem (it's not.) or her damage is the problem (it's not either.) that prevents her from being a Zyra-class mage-in-bot-lane, but it's her fucking mana costs that make her completely unable to survive in that lane.

She needs gold for items like Lost Chapter -> Morellonomicon and blue buff and you're not getting that from support.

AptestFeb 26, 20173 votes

You are disregarding lux because she is the go-to pick of the useless doran-start-trolls. played seriously she can be effective...

...but history teaches me that the lux supports are 9 out of 10 times pure trolls.

MysticDreams12Nov 7, 20171 votes

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(Reason being that she doesn't do as much reliable damage as the others)

Uh, wtf? I've done Lux support many times and done tons of damage. Just build a support item and sightstone, then full AP.

Bam.

OHminusNov 8, 20171 votes

In the laning phase, your mana costs are way too high in comparison to Zyra and Brand and you have to hit your snare to even trade efficiently.

Also, I'm impressed you're responding to me when this comment was made almost an year ago.

MysticDreams12Nov 8, 20171 votes

Didn't notice the date, someone commented and bumped it up so I checked the post out.

I know her mana costs are high, so I always manage my poking to make sure I'm not doing too much, and I don't always have to hit a snare unless they are engaging on top of us. Just poke with E and an AA if they are in range, that's it.

Quite simple, really.

ClementineFeb 25, 20171 votes

Pretty sure they're all garbage except for Zyra. This is why I'm glad I'm a support main so I don't get any Brand or Velkoz botlane lol

Velzard of KozFeb 25, 201711 votes

But Vel'Koz would synergize with your name.

Sp33d Zer0Feb 26, 20175 votes

As a marksman I can assure you....

Brand, Zyra, Velkoz, Malz are all extremely good bot laners.

Lux depends on the match up.

Annie is kind of weak.

Devilangel6161Feb 26, 20171 votes

Zyra malz I'd take any day of the week support wise.

If your gonna whine yeah take brand.

No vel'koz isn't good and neither is Annie.

Whenever a lux support gets locked in you know they aren't going support.

But tbh Morgana is 450 IP, if you haven't picked her up you shouldn't be playing ranked, she is great into pretty much any support matchup. And she's soooo brainless to be good enough not to feed

Amasa DelanoFeb 26, 20171 votes

Morgana is 1350 IP.

Devilangel6161Feb 27, 20171 votes

Pretty sure she was dropped in price a while back

Amasa DelanoFeb 27, 20171 votes

Her price has gone down before, but right now she's at 1350 IP in the Store. Same as what it says on the wiki.

Sp33d Zer0Feb 27, 20171 votes

Velkoz is and Lux are outclasses, but they are still good supports, it mostly depends on the players.

Devilangel6161Feb 27, 20171 votes

While yes it depends on the players but 9/10 the players are toxic morons who don't know how to ward and blame everyone for them feeding and then demand all the farm in lane

Sp33d Zer0Feb 27, 20171 votes

What.... what mage supports are you playing with??

Acheron16Feb 26, 20176 votes

Because support gameplay is boring:

-Babysit another guy and hope he isn't stupid -Become a CC bot (which is why people are bring more and more mages bot, since they atleast have compelling gameplay, which leads to support item nerfs, which nerfs classic supports)

Become a ward bot, because people forget there's a 3 ward limit and the support can't do all the ward wok.
Be behind 3 or even 4 levels, because EXP sharing is trash, bot is the game's gloryhole and because you are expected to die or the team (especially if you're a tank)
Can mostly only exist as a parasitic champion that can't work alone for the first 30 minutes because of the aforementioned reasons (low gold and EXP income).
Lethality items are meta, which means classic supports (which usually have low armor because they have to buy utility items) get killed even faster on top of their gold and level deficit.

And I am a bot main (i play both ADC and support), imagine how much worse other lane mains must feel.

At this point, if I were Riot I would remove auto-fill and implement IP boosts to anyone who willingly plays support (triple the IP) and if you play an X number of matches as support you can buy Chromas for IP at any time.

This while Riot doesn't rework the role and classic supports into a better position.

AptestMay 29, 20171 votes

idk man, as a support main i've tried adc but it's really a drab for me. i enjoy the paradigm of messing the other team up in all sorts of ways and i can't really do that as an adc who has to play very conservatively or as a backline mage who also has to stay back and let the carrying be done by other people.

I mean, marksmen and adc both have their roles but i much enjoy more the role of the guy who makes the things go or not go, than the role of fire support.

LuminierFeb 26, 20174 votes

You should lose less LP if you're autofilled and lose a match. Seriously. It's not the role you asked for, or were comfortable with. Expecting you to play well in a role that you did not intend to play is unrealistic. That being said, yes. If you're autofilled, man up and take the role. We all have to do it.

DealthFeb 25, 20173 votes

because most of them had intentions of playing a different champion, now they have to waste an hour playing something that the dont want to play. its essentially like staring at a blank wall for 60 minutes then at the end of it you lose 20 lp so u have to stare at another blank wall for two more hours just to get to where u should have been if you weren't autofilled

ShonjlFeb 27, 20171 votes

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because most of them had intentions of playing a different champion, now they have to waste an hour playing something that the dont want to play. its essentially like staring at a blank wall for 60 minutes then at the end of it you lose 20 lp so u have to stare at another blank wall for two more hours just to get to where u should have been if you weren't autofilled

Doesn't matter, someone has got to do it. Plenty of people got forced into doing support and just dealt with it like you should. Stop being entitled and suck it up like everyone else.

God forbid if you don't have sup or fill as your role you once in a blue moon get sup. Its almost like its the end of the world if roughly 1 out of every 10 games(Which I know isn't the case, its way higher than that) you do something you don't want.

And this mentality you and other entitled kids have is the reason pick order should be a thing again. It forced everyone to know all roles. You didn't have to be the best top or support player in the world, but at least have a pick or 2 for them incase you were made to do it.

DealthFeb 27, 20172 votes

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Doesn't matter, someone has got to do it. Plenty of people got forced into doing support and just dealt with it like you should. Stop being entitled and suck it up like everyone else.

God forbid if you don't have sup or fill as your role you once in a blue moon get sup. Its almost like its the end of the world if roughly 1 out of every 10 games(Which I know isn't the case, its way higher than that) you do something you don't want.

And this mentality you and other entitled kids have is the reason pick order should be a thing again. It forced everyone to know all roles. You didn't have to be the best top or support player in the world, but at least have a pick or 2 for them incase you were made to do it.

glad you got that off your chest

ShonjlMar 2, 20171 votes

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glad you got that off your chest

People like you make me laugh. All I will say is it happens to everyone, get over it and deal with it like everyone else.

DealthMar 2, 20171 votes

rtbf221651412Feb 26, 20173 votes

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So why does everyone have such a problem with it? Don't get me wrong, I didn't like it at first. And what really makes me mad is now instead of people understanding they're autofilled and going an actual support, they'll either hijack the entire game and force people out of their roles or just straight up troll. I've gotten so sick of this that I've started going support because I'm tired of people who will ruin a game because they're a fucking child. And y'know what? I've kinda been having fun. Even with an ADC who can't kite and goes 0/11 I've been able to help my team. Even when I do as much damage as our ADC as Leona I've been doing great and have a huge impact on the game. (That happened in the same game lol.) If people actually took the time to learn the role they'd realize it can and does have a big impact if you're a good player.

Put four adcs on your team in a bot game and randomize the other team. Yeah, tell me how well you can carry that.

You can't carry stupid either. What makes support not wanted as a role isn't that you can't carry. It's that you can not carry idiots.

ÈvilMortyFeb 26, 20173 votes

just play Sion support its super fun

Troll for TrumpFeb 26, 20173 votes

Because even when you're good and do well as support, you have to rely on people carrying. I've already tried supporting in ranked before, it doesn't work as well as playing a carry role. I can win lane, roam, get 20 assists, and whatnot, but I'm still relying on others to win the game. They can still throw. I can't force the ADC to stop farming bot and group. I can't force the mid to learn how to dodge skillshots. I can't force top to stop splitting, or jg to stop farming, etc.

You would say to pick a "support carry." But at that point you aren't even supporting anymore. There are numerous threads complaining about it.

People complain about being autofilled into support, and not being able to carry or do as well as they would in another role.

When they pick a carry support, people complain how they aren't supporting.

When they aren't doing well, they get blamed for being autofilled.

This problem has been dealt with by support mains for ages, autofilled basically brought the problem into light.

Finn Teh HumanFeb 27, 20172 votes

But how many times have supports, even "support mains", lost games? I've had many who don't know how to use Redemption, save their ulti till everyone is dead, etc. If you're that one person on your team that ensures that everyone else got their main role then it's really putting the odds in your favor. What you're saying is true, but it applies to all roles. You might be a great ADC but your team never goes in or peels. You might be a great jungler who got a good pick but it doesn't mean your team is going to do something with that pick.

Troll for TrumpMar 8, 20171 votes

A fed/good carry can ensure victory or defeat.

A fed/good (non-carry) support doesn't ensure victory, but can ensure defeat.

OtterlyLostFeb 25, 20172 votes

I just hate people who get autofilled to support and then take someone like blitz... and then miss every hook and whine about how I, a level 1 Trist with a doran's blade, don't do damage. :/ I've had so many autofill supps flame the hell out of me for them not doing their job. I understand you're autofilled to a role you suck at but pick someone boring and easy(Janna, Soraka) and sit back and just let me farm. Don't pick blitz if you have no idea how bot lane trades and dynamic work.

Devilangel6161Feb 26, 20172 votes

Even better. Don't take blitz at all, he's useless to most adc's, and every time and I mean every time i get away from a bad engage/trade the stupid sodding robot hooks them in and gets me killed.

Play Nautilus or thresh if you want to play blitz, there just better versions of blitz

NichtHurzFeb 26, 20172 votes

Well...I've been playing this game for long enough to have been a main of every single role for some time and I've been a multi role player for even longer, but now I'm a jungle main with top as secondary role. When I go to play a normal I most likely want to try stuff and just have a fun time, but then I get autofilled and I just don't enjoy supporting. I genuinely don't like it and it's even worse since I absolutely hate the current bot lane meta, seriously if I could at least spam tank supports without getting destroyed by poke or disengage and I'm not willing to play tons of support games just so I become a decent enough tank support to just not care for current meta.

And then there's ranked. In ranked I want to climb, I want to play the best I can, but as a support I'll most likely be useless against dedicated support mains and I'm just not into it enough to really play to my full potential. It's straight up lame if a double autofill bot lane has to play against an adc main and a support one trick.

I don't have any problems with queue times and if I have to wait for 10 minutes, so be it, but I rather have a high quality game where everybody can play to their full potential in one of their chosen roles, than having a game with 1-2 autofill players in one or even both teams, since these game will have way less quality than those without.

jeanne mulaneyFeb 26, 20172 votes

I don't like getting auto-filled into Support because I don't want to play Support. If I'm able to queue for certain roles I can and should expect to play those roles. I only have limited time to play League and I want to spend it playing the roles and champions I enjoy. It doesn't help that getting auto-filled means that I am going to play worse than usual and -- as a result -- am more likely to get flamed or insulted by my team when I make mistakes. Auto-fill in general is cancerous, but being auto-filled into support is literally the most frustrating thing because it almost guarantees the next 20~40 minutes of my life are going to be an aggravating waste.

Finn Teh HumanJun 1, 20171 votes

There has almost always been a form of autofill (season 4, season 3, etc) where the thing was "last pick". Normals I understand but when people go into ranked not being able to play the easiest role in the game and even troll when they have to play it is wrong.