Lets get something straight about Lethality.

MrHaZeYo··9 votes·968 views

Lethality is flat armor pen, Black Cleaver and the Last Whisper items are not Lethality.

I hate when people group Lethality in with BC and LW, because they are not Lethality, one is %Armor Reduction and the other is %Bonus Armor Pen.

Armor does indeed counter Lethality. BC/LW counter armor.

Now the real problem is not Lethality, it's Lethality combined with the other two items. No one complained about Flat Armor Pen prior to this year (that I can remember), so why do people complain about Lethality? The answer is because people assume BC/LW are also Lethality, when they're not. Again Lethality is the old Flat Armor pen, except it has to scale up now, to compensate, all 3 Leth items have bonus out of combat movement speed.

Now how do we fix this? Well Riot could make it so Black Cleaver and Last Whisper's passive can't stack. This would probably also mean that Black Cleavers Armor Reduction can't be applied for every champion (Ex - If Darius gets all 6 stacks of BC on Garan then Garan's armor is only reduced for Darius instead of Darius and his allied Graves and Ashe.).

9 Comments

MrHaZeYo3 votes

Btw if you gonna downvote, prehaps post and explain why?

YoungSirJ0ey2 votes

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prehaps

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Lol?

Sire Hippington2 votes

The much simpler way off fixing it is applying flatpen **before **%pen, and evt changeing BC to a flat shred, or adding back some lethality and reduceing the % shred as 30%shred is quite alot for tanks to dela with. However, i do not thik changeing BC from shred to pen would be a good idea. The fact that it's shred makes it a utillity item and helps juggernauts and ad-casters to support their team in some way rather than just relying on their own power, which helps alot at makeing those champs impactfull enough in teamfights without them beeing totally busted 1v1 at the same time.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Good answer.

Anhartamin1 votes

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MrHaZeYo1 votes

Zed, Talon, MF, Luc, Wu, J4, Kha, Rengo,Riven, and Noc all could easily build full Leth.

Graves up until this patch had been building majority Leth items.

I don't disagree, I don't see a problem with Lethality, I seed a problem with it being combined with Cleaver and LW.

Irelia Bot1 votes

Due to the fact that Lethality applies after both BC and LW it is amplifying an already existing problem in the effective value of armor.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

I agree with that, They should change the order of calculations back to what it was in Season 3.

Flat Reduction %Reduction Flat Pen %Pen

But I still don't know how much that would help.

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