Why not reviving Heimerdinger as Support?

BlueBilberry·Nov 16, 2016·2 votes·561 views

Speaking both as a support main, and given that Riot is looking at putting more supports in rotation (which probably means more bans of supports in lower tiers), I found myself thinking about good ol' Heimerdinger:
He is a support secondarily -- according to the current Riot interface. He has a passive heal - which is a bonus for the adc. He can place a turret in the bushes in the river to make warding by the other side and/or camping by a jungler/ganker harder. (Remember that those turrets activate when a stealther is nearby - added bonus.) Plus he could set up a small "safe zone" for the adc to fall back to. As an added bonus, when the adc is horrible, Heimer has the potential to carry or help the team catch up at least. Is it time to bring him back into consideration as a support champion?

11 Comments

Best Kog NANov 16, 20161 votes

His turrets can accidentally farm the waves I think. That and his abilities are a lot of AOE so the ADC won't be able to farm as well.

BlueBilberryNov 16, 20161 votes

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His turrets can accidentally farm the waves I think. That and his abilities are a lot of AOE so the ADC won't be able to farm as well.

Ok, but what if the turrets are only used to cover the bushes - looking at the bush closest to the opposing turret (i.e., if placed close to the wall, it does avoid the minion waves) as well as the one on the river?

Best Kog NANov 16, 20161 votes

Heimer doesn't have heals and his only peel is a skillshot that can be difficult to land at times. It might just be that it's fallen out of the meta for some reason.

BlueBilberryNov 16, 20161 votes

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Heimer doesn't have heals and his only peel is a skillshot that can be difficult to land at times. It might just be that it's fallen out of the meta for some reason.

To quote from the League's Champion pages: Passive: Heimerdinger gives nearby allied H-28G Turrets and Champions increased Health Regeneration.

LadyRenlyNov 16, 20161 votes

fuck people who play heimer support, all they do is push the wave and steal farm

BlueBilberryNov 16, 20161 votes

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fuck people who play heimer support, all they do is push the wave and steal farm

No worse than Zyra and she found her way into the LCS. Plus those turrets if they are placed properly should give the adc either: a) another place to run to for protection; or b) make the chances of a gank much harder for the other side.

ErockandrollNov 16, 20161 votes

Trying to remember Heimer's kit. I don't recall his turrets applying the tribute passive, except when they shoot their passthough beam. But isn't his rockets a multi hit? I could be wrong, but it seems like his rockets could proc the Tribute passive well enough. (as well as thunderlords)

But over all, He would only have his E for CC. And damage wise, I fear he would be too item dependent. He could lane as a support, but I feel like he would just fall off.

EschetonNov 16, 20161 votes

His stun is too hard to land. I think thats really the only thing holding support Heimy back.

BlueBilberryNov 16, 20161 votes

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His stun is too hard to land. I think thats really the only thing holding support Heimy back.

I think that might be it. The stun is limited to 1.25 seconds and requires pretty good timing and accuracy to make it work. (It's even worse than Veigar's stun with his Event Horizon.)

Pandemic PunchNov 16, 20161 votes

We should all protest by playing Singed support

Bruticus44Nov 22, 20161 votes

I think they could easily make heimer support viable if they let you toggle his turrets AI by like clicking his passive icon. Automatically have his turrets in normal mode, but click his passive icon and switch his turrets to attack champions only, maybe with some other benefit. I think this idea could be expanded very easily, and add a lot of dimension.

Secondly reduce his cooldowns ffs.