Nerfing Karma While She's Hurting??

BlueBilberry··6 votes·333 views

A bit puzzled by why Karma is getting nerfed. (Really?? Why are you doing this Rito?)

Look, I used to enjoy playing her but she is really hurting. This upcoming nerf really does just not make much sense. If you check at how she is performing in ALL tiers (from Bronze to Challenger on op.gg, League of Graphs and LolAnalytics), then you would note that she has really been dropping gradually in winrate since about November of last year. The only way that you can get her to work at the moment is if you really push your lane from the start (as we have seen in LCS/MSI play) - and this is just daft for what is supposed to be a support champ. And, now you have the idea of nerfing her is by chopping at her shielding ability? This literally does not make any sense.

Heck, this makes about as much sense as the reducing of Rakan's shielding ability and increasing his E. And as much sense as the reducing of Lulu's shield. They are support champions, Riot. It seems that you are chopping at the ability of supports to shield their ADCs and we'll be back at the "gangbang gank botlane" philosophy (to borrow Aphomoo's expression).

Please use a bit of common sense, dear Riot devs. Right now, you are putting the support role (and our accompanying ADC players) into a really weird place. I can read the tea leaves and tell that you are wanting us supports to go and start playing more champs like Braums and Alistars - but I can also see in those same leaves that the result may not be what you wish or desire. PLEASE be careful how you tinker with the play in non-LCS play. Pretty please?
[zombie-nunu-bummed]

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Warhammer Titan1 votes

Karma is a really good support, her shields are insane

BlueBilberry3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grand ChalIenge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bh65zNhY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-06-06T02:49:26.978+0000)

Karma is a really good support, her shields are insane

Her shields are the ones getting nerfed in the next patch. And check her performance at all tiers (including diamond, master and challenger).

Just check out her overall stats. In support role, she is not as good as you might think lately:

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/karma (League of Graphs) http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Support (Ranked 24th on Supports on Champion.gg) https://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/ (Ranked at 106th in Master play for example) http://lolalytics.com/champions/ (lolalytics note that she is at a 47.48% winrate in Plat+ play - just above Teemo support).

As I said you have to play her as not truly support to get any decent results. And if the nerf goes through, she will tank. (How many players are willing to poke like heck with the Q in the hopes of procc'ing a E+R combo?)

Warhammer Titan1 votes

Winrate doesnt mean everything. Theres a reason why everyone is complaining about shields. Karma lulu ori and ivern can just make a team invincible and so they have to nerf their shields or add an anti shield item

BlueBilberry2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grand ChalIenge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bh65zNhY,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-06T02:54:31.699+0000)

Winrate doesnt mean everything. Theres a reason why everyone is complaining about shields. Karma lulu ori and ivern can just make a team invincible and so they have to nerf their shields or add an anti shield item

Perhaps. But a lot of the complaining about shields is indirectly connected to other defensive items that have been introduced - Knight's Vow and Mikael's for instance. The only problem is that if you reduce heals (which was a running theme earlier) and shields, then you are automatically reducing the ability of utility supports to keep the adc afloat. And can we not forget the meme: #ADC in 2017? A lot of it was because the 2 botlaners had both become 300 gold minions.

JavelinJoe1 votes

Pretty sure it could be a preemptive nerf for the new masteries/runes since as she is now, she could very well be busted when those come out.

BlueBilberry1 votes

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Pretty sure it could be a preemptive nerf for the new masteries/runes since as she is now, she could very well be busted when those come out.

That makes a bit of sense (and could explain the Lulu and Rakan shield reworks). But it doesn't make sense that the nerf would be rolled out so soon before the end of Season 7. Botlane could be a real mess for the remainder of the season (and the LCS playoffs) if Riot isn't careful.

coley bear1 votes

Aren't they buffing some of the shielding and healing buffs on the support items? Thought I saw a few and could instead encourage karmas to build support

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