Yeah that attack speed or spell pen will get more damage out on paper but if you go up in flames don't come screeching about ap champs being 3 stronk when you don't even dedicate your least valuable item slot to trade for defensive
OMG ZED 1shot me omgomgomgomgomgogmogmogmgogmg broken!!!1!111111!
Death by Glamour2 votes1100g for 20 armour and a passive which isn't that useful against zed.
Hammermancer1 votes[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jj8ci8J2,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-25T17:40:37.541+0000)
1100g for 20 armour and a passive which isn't that useful against zed.
1100g for negating one of zed's 2 lethality items (With your zhonyas doing the other), and good movement speed, plus extra damage reduction to his duskblade proc
also helps against the inevitable AD bruiser in top lane and the ADC in bot lane, couple it with the morello that every mage builds and you'll be fairly tanky
another good anti zed item is protobelt because if you can't cc him you can certainly dash away
ZephyrDrake1 votes1100g for negating one of zed's 2 lethality items (With your zhonyas doing the other), and good movement speed, plus extra damage reduction to his duskblade proc
also helps against the inevitable AD bruiser in top lane and the ADC in bot lane, couple it with the morello that every mage builds and you'll be fairly tanky
another good anti zed item is protobelt because if you can't cc him you can certainly dash away
Except that you still have no HP to back up those resistances. The best you can hope is that you don't explode instantly but you would still be too low to fight regardless. If you are a mage you are way better off with zhonyas than tabis and if you are an ADC you are going to die if the assassin gets to you and a single tabi isn't going to help you there.
The Chillin2 votesIt actually negates both. its 45 armor after 5 waves, zed wont even have his 2nd lethality item. Seekers alone Counters 5800G worth of Zed's build. that and it gives ap, AND is 170% gold efficient as a purchase. Item is I N S A N E.
INoble KnightI2 votesCause mages lose what little pen they can get by doing it.
Hammermancer2 votes[{quoted}](name=INoble KnightI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jj8ci8J2,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-04-25T19:35:02.368+0000)
Cause mages lose what little pen they can get by doing it.
with voidstaff and morello you have more than enough pen to sufficiently do what you need to do
INoble KnightI1 voteswith voidstaff and morello you have more than enough pen to sufficiently do what you need to do
Well Not all mages build Nomicon and some can but it's not optimal. Also in some cases Void Staff isn't needed cause not enough MR is built. But you have a bunch of items that give high AD and Lethality. I'm just saying it's easier for AD to build damage and Lethality than AP is for pen and damage.
Hammermancer2 votes[{quoted}](name=INoble KnightI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jj8ci8J2,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T19:45:45.504+0000)
Well Not all mages build Nomicon and some can but it's not optimal. Also in some cases Void Staff isn't needed cause not enough MR is built. But you have a bunch of items that give high AD and Lethality. I'm just saying it's easier for AD to build damage and Lethality than AP is for pen and damage.
fair but let's be honest, 90% only build 1 lethality item because they give up important passives
is more of a requirement to function because it allows you to deal with those bastards who built armor, instead of flailing madly as you get wet noodled to death while you can't move.
those who go double lethality 
wind up being 1shot wonders who can get splatted with a misstep or a prediction. and are usually mocked by the champ community they're a part of for not being smart enough to go 
because it's better to live then to get a kill
zed, well zed might want to get kills more then he lives, but still... he's not S tier
INoble KnightI1 votesfair but let's be honest, 90% only build 1 lethality item because they give up important passives
those who go double lethality
zed, well zed might want to get kills more then he lives, but still... he's not S tier
When I go wukong I build cleaver just for more health primarily so I don't get one shot in return lol. I wasn't really bitching about Zed just the differences in items and what not.
Rebonack1 votesRemember when people were complaining about Mages and Marksmen building Tabi?
Hammermancer1 votesRemember when people were complaining about Mages and Marksmen building Tabi?
I never did because i'm not a dumbass
NaughtyWord1 votesRemember when people were complaining about Mages and Marksmen building Tabi?
And they nerfed Tabi as a result, yup, I remember.
Hammermancer1 votesAnd they nerfed Tabi as a result, yup, I remember.
i never bitched*
it's still good
if tabi are good enough for lucian mid, they're good enough for lux mid
Tr4shB4NSYST3M1 votesB/c for mages at least the boots are the most cost efficient source of flat pen in the game
Hammermancer1 votesB/c for mages at least the boots are the most cost efficient source of flat pen in the game
it's not that cost efficient if you're getting no gold due to getting 1shot
Tr4shB4NSYST3M1 votesTbh against someone like zed or talon your much better off building armguard into zhonyas.
Hammermancer1 votesTbh against someone like zed or talon your much better off building armguard into zhonyas.
why not both, and the morello for some HP and Pen, hell you could go super tanky for a mage and grab a protobelt on top of all of that for a good amount of extra Armor and HP on top of respectable AP and Pen, it's not like protobelt isn't well liked or doesn't add AP scaling to your kit via the active
BandleKatt1 votesLol zed mains
Hammermancer1 votesi don't play zed nor have i ever played zed outside of a random champ game like ARAM or ARURF
I do face against zed regularly, and win regularly
Natsu E Dragneel1 votesi know for a fact as teemo ill build boot to match up so maybe they just dont understand that boots are one of those situational items...
Yenn1 votesBy the time you have upgraded boots, Zed's combo will overkill you by a significant amount and the 20 armor won't save you.
Also, some mid laners are reliant on Sorcerers penetration to clear the wave in one shot. If you have to wait for a second cast, you're significantly increasing the time your opponent has to interact with you, and every interaction with an assassin will potentially end up with you dying.
8Belthazor81 votesTbf tabi means jackshit when a fed zed ultes an adc or mage.
DalekZec1 votesYeah well I once built ninja tabi. Still melted. Nobody was even fed.
Maybe you haven't noticed but the game is in a state that building armor or MR is just pointless these days.
The Chillin1 votesCause they're bad but hate it when people point it out. Mages in dia+ just go seekers, and know how to manage mana. With all the mana resources currently in the game its pretty much IMPOSSIBLE to oom yourself before level 6 unless you spam all 3 abilities on cooldown. EVEN THEN you can regen that mistake completely with corrupting, twt&/buiscuts/manaflow/dring. AP champions as a whole regenerate 75% of the mana cost of their Q by the time it comes off cooldown anyways. Good players just take double armor shard and rush seekers to negate Zed's laning phase entirely. Bonus points if you are TF and take boneplating, making Zed's combo before backing deal 30 dmg or less including electrocute.
Netorare1 votesToo bad armor doesnt do jack shit nowdays... armor&tanks are a fucking joke.
People still think 
counter + ...
Lethality was made to counter mage defensive items but nah lets just ignore this fact.