Garen is losing because he's a dirtbag in the God King lore

Elohaven·Jun 30, 2018·13 votes·7,871 views

Think about it.

Guy kills his own men without remorse and have his soldiers fight for him before fighting. He stands behind them and watches them die.

Darius leads his own army like a badass and doesn't see himself above them. He has a brotherhood.

Garen says "Our faith protects us. I am our faith". Arrogance that exceeds that of Darius'.

Of course people are going to pick Darius. Why would you pick a God-king with a holier than thou attitude 24/7?

43 Comments

YuGiHoJun 30, 20189 votes

Garen has the bigger chin.

MewtwoJun 30, 20188 votes

Tbh, I dont think alot of people read these kinds of things lets be honest, they see an edgy figure like darius and of course they're gonna go for that route.alot of kids play this game, they don't want to go for the angelic figure they want go for the edgy devil like figure that's why yasuo won last time.

gabetheguyJun 30, 20181 votes

why would I vote for an authoritarian dirtbag when I could vote for somebody that doesn't smite people because of the way they're born.

DrawxneJul 1, 20183 votes

Yeah, rally behind the guy who smites everyone indiscriminately. That's a MUCH better option.

pixelvoxelJul 1, 20184 votes

Equality, baby. Darius

gabetheguyJul 1, 20181 votes

he doesn't smite everyone indiscriminately. he smites tyrants.

icedragon13Jul 6, 20181 votes

Perfectly balanced as all things should be.

Chembaron YamadaJun 30, 20185 votes

People keep saying that, but there are actually many reasons to pick Darius over Garen and many already shared their reason here in the boards.

Honestly, saying that it's just because "Darius is edgy and many kids play this game" just sounds salty about losing the event.

IcyPepperJul 1, 20181 votes

I almost picked Darius but opted for Garen instead. Like, I'm sure edgy kids are going to like Darius, but there's plenty of edgelords on Garen's side.

Besides the difference in awards is just 1000 BE. It's not worth the stress of fighting over it. Leave that for the actual battleground.

RakanButTHICCerJul 2, 20181 votes

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Tbh, I dont think alot of people read these kinds of things lets be honest, they see an edgy figure like darius and of course they're gonna go for that route.alot of kids play this game, they don't want to go for the angelic figure they want go for the edgy devil like figure that's why yasuo won last time.

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TSM WeaponJul 4, 20181 votes

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Tbh, I dont think alot of people read these kinds of things lets be honest, they see an edgy figure like darius and of course they're gonna go for that route.alot of kids play this game, they don't want to go for the angelic figure they want go for the edgy devil like figure that's why yasuo won last time.

This is it right here. You got all these people talking about "Garen is so holier than thou" blah blah blah. Every civilized land is run with some prick at the head of it. Yeah he may think a lot of himself but he thinks a lot of preserving order and righteousness too. Meanwhile Darius wants it to basically be a global version of the Purge. Talk about Darius having a "brotherhood". He would kill anyone he claimed to like in a second if it made him happy. This edge lord bs is so middle school.

R1kSenJun 30, 20186 votes

Garen is an absolute leader who puts the good of many higher than the good of the few. MAY DEMACIA BRING JUSTICE UPON ALL OF YOU! xD

DragonSheaJun 30, 20185 votes

It's tainted good vs honest evil.

DrawxneJul 1, 20183 votes

More like extreme law vs extreme chaos. Neither are good/evil. Learn the difference.

BestPudgeNAJun 30, 20184 votes

Communism vs Capitalism

Of course Capitalism is gonna win

Tychusfindlay918Jun 30, 20182 votes

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Communism vs Capitalism

Of course Capitalism is gonna win

^ nailed it.

Garen is an authoritarian fuckbag, so of course he's probably gonna lose out hard in the west. I'd imagine he might be more popular in China.

KICK OUT AT 2Jul 1, 20181 votes

It's more like communism vs anarchy.

IcyPepperJul 1, 20183 votes

Isn't it Communism versus Anarchy?

I thought Darius was going to send the world into neverending war. Capitalists don't enjoy war for the sake of war.

rtbf221651412Jul 1, 20181 votes

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Isn't it Communism versus Anarchy?

I thought Darius was going to send the world into neverending war. Capitalists don't enjoy war for the sake of war.

Some people make money from war.

Just saying.

http://time.com/24735/here-are-the-5-companies-making-a-killing-off-wars-around-the-world/

A Bad MysticJul 1, 20182 votes

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Isn't it Communism versus Anarchy?

I thought Darius was going to send the world into neverending war. Capitalists don't enjoy war for the sake of war.

War leads to more technological improvements faster than a world at peace, so while they dont want war for the sake of war, war for the sake of progress is a thing that could be supported.

CaelessJul 2, 20181 votes

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War leads to more technological improvements faster than a world at peace, so while they dont want war for the sake of war, war for the sake of progress is a thing that could be supported.

By that metric, your end result is justified by your method. And the method is brutally bloody. Not exactly morally acceptable.

First Stár JinxJul 12, 20181 votes

You haven't played Metal Gear Solid 4 yet.

rtbf221651412Jul 1, 20181 votes

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**Communism vs Capitalism **

Of course** Capitalism** is gonna win

Capitalism would just extend that Holier than thou attitude.

Just like a Monarchy would.

I wouldn't even say vs communism either. In a true communism, communism would have less holier than thou attitudes on an individual basis. (Society > Individual).

R1kSenJul 1, 20183 votes

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Communism vs Capitalism

Of course Capitalism is gonna win

Uhm no. It's Dictatorship in the name of Peace vs Anarchy in the name of Freedom.

BestPudgeNAJul 1, 20181 votes

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Uhm no. It's Dictatorship in the name of Peace vs Anarchy in the name of Freedom.

Exactly, that's communism vs capitalism. Why would you say no then agree with me?

R1kSenJul 2, 20182 votes

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Exactly, that's communism vs capitalism. Why would you say no then agree with me?

Uhm no... Capitalism and commusism are 2 economic systems. A dictator can be a capitalist as well as a communist.

DrawxneJul 1, 20183 votes

A lot of players seem to be missing the big picture that in Law (Garen) vs Chaos (Darius), no matter who wins the world is screwed from either totalitarianism or anarchy.

From what I've been reading here on the boards, the flaws in Darius's philosophy are a lot more subtle than Garen's, hence players seeing him as the better option, when what Darius wants is just as bad, if not worse, than Garen's. Darius wants to create eternal war where only the strongest and paranoid survive.

remakoroJul 1, 20182 votes

Struggle is the way of evolution. The only way for progress. Ofc it depends on dosage. Too much of it can hinder things but the same is true for every thing. Anything can become harmful if there is too much of it.

Anu3isIIJul 1, 20183 votes

Both of them represent horrible ideologies. However, people choose their side based on their personal view. While it may be a fact for you that Darius' philosophy is worse than Garen's, it is just a personal opinion.

You can't objectively measure the costs and benefits of thier ideals. I despise both of them and chose the least bad option from my perspective, that doesn't mean everyone should share my view.

kurnubegoJul 1, 20183 votes

I though it's because Damacia is totalitarian s***hole country.

ShonjlJul 1, 20183 votes

Garens an asshole is why. Sure Darius has a bloody view. But at least you are free with him. Garen its basically be his slave and have no rights but be safe. And I dunno about you but if rather have freedom but a risky life than safety but not own my life,

Fight for survival or not be living to begin with is how I see it.

OleandervineJul 2, 20182 votes

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Garens an asshole is why. Sure Darius has a bloody view. But at least you are free with him. Garen its basically be his slave and have no rights but be safe. And I dunno about you but if rather have freedom but a risky life than safety but not own my life,

Fight for survival or not be living to begin with is how I see it.

Freedom is not being forced to go to war because your king wants to constantly fight and conquer everything. You are not free if you are a soldier under the command of someone else. You are not free if your life is forfeit the moment you try to leave the war. You are not free if you are required to fight and put your life on the line for the bloodthirsty whims of some naïve, delusional man in charge.

Garen at least has the illusion of Freedom, because his society is ruled by faith and inspires zeal in those who fight for justice. Those kind of traits give people purpose to go to war, and give people reasons to want to go to war. While they're just as trapped as Darius' people, they are not aware of this because their mentality is that their cause is worth fighting for. Darius doesn't have that mentality, because his society is just "We go to war to expand and kill the enemy!"

Dmonikus MaximusJul 3, 20181 votes

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Freedom is not being forced to go to war because your king wants to constantly fight and conquer everything. You are not free if you are a soldier under the command of someone else. You are not free if your life is forfeit the moment you try to leave the war. You are not free if you are required to fight and put your life on the line for the bloodthirsty whims of some naïve, delusional man in charge.

Garen at least has the illusion of Freedom, because his society is ruled by faith and inspires zeal in those who fight for justice. Those kind of traits give people purpose to go to war, and give people reasons to want to go to war. While they're just as trapped as Darius' people, they are not aware of this because their mentality is that their cause is worth fighting for. Darius doesn't have that mentality, because his society is just "We go to war to expand and kill the enemy!"

Thays not what Darius' society is about though. Nor is it Darius' ideaology. He simply wants everyone to be equal, and the person who stands in his way is Garen, who would strip everyone of their free will and smite them for any defiance. Theres no illusion of freedom there. Theres safety sure, but no one would say that there is even a hint of freedom there. Darius' only goal is to go to war so that his soldiers surpass him in strength, such is the Noxian way. Outright authoritarianism and total dictatorship is not how I imagine Jarvan wanted his demacia to be run. So if anyone, in my opinion, is wrong, it would be the guy who goes against what his previous kingdom was about, and 'has wiped entire kingdoms from the face of the planet for defiance' whereas Darius is merely holding true to the worlds most ancient system, survival of the fittest.

ƒrostγJun 30, 20182 votes

I picked Garen because he looks hotter.

ŻügżwängJul 1, 20184 votes

of course the wolf furry icon accompanies this comment :D

Vlada CutJul 1, 20181 votes

Both are jerks, it's jist peoolenoreffer dariis as darius more than garen as garen.

aaaustindestroy1Jul 1, 20181 votes

Also, for those that read it, it goes like this

Garen - A system that protects you but is so oppressive that it literally removes your free will (Yes, that's canon, read the DYK before loading into the game)

Darius - An anarchy where you have to protect yourself but you have the most freedom.

Also with Garen believing himself to be higher than everybody else whereas Darius sees everybody as equal.

Also, in the DYK, Darius is trying to better himself and his forces, so he plunges the entire world into war, waiting for the day in which he is unable to defeat his own army. (Not sure what Garen's motivation is, I haven't seen the DYK for it yet :))

Baron0BeefDipJul 1, 20181 votes

Honestly, I don't care for either of them.......I just picked Garen because I like blue :P

Malix FarwinJul 3, 20181 votes

I you guys are thinking a little too hard on this especially since all these reasons are not what a majority of the players are thinking about when they choose a side. Heck i doubt most of them even know the lore behind the two.

I mean i only picked Darius because i hate laning against Garen not because of some profound philosophy of their ideals.

Corrine CorrinaJul 6, 20181 votes

"Guy kills his own men without remorse and have his soldiers fight for him before fighting. He stands behind them and watches them die." I wonder who's the guy actually killing them? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

thecatinthehat22Jul 12, 20181 votes

Ya need to calm down with all this political shit people like me are picking Darius simply because he has a better skin That's the answer its quite simple

ElohavenJul 12, 20181 votes

This has nothing to do with politics.