Shyvana QoL Buffs, Bug fixes and Visual Changes (List)

Mira Arya Enthe··108 votes·7,554 views

Shyvana really needs a VU, possibly even a VGU. I realize some people need it more, so a million posts of Warwick or Urgot who are already slated for that are pointless.

Here are some of my problems with her, and the solutions I have. If you have more ideas or things you feel absolutely must be listed, post below. This list may expand as more issues into mind or are suggested.

NOTHING here is meant to be a direct change on her numbers in terms of damage, range, stats, cooldowns and so forth. We will not be discussing things like her Q nerfs or anything of that sort. This is about thematics, bugs and QoL.


W Tick Rate: I would like to see Shyvana's W get the Singed treatment, I have mentioned this before but am adding it here as this is my semi-permanent list of needs for our dragon. This would changed her W to be more reliable, but more importantly it would feel much better. This would be a small buff, but is mostly QoL.

Instead of Damage per second: 20 / 32 / 45 / 57 / 70 (+ 20% bonus AD) (+ 10% AP)

It would be Damage per quarter second: 5 / 8 / 11.25 / 14.25 / 17.5 (+ 5% bonus AD) (+ 2.5% AP)

Making it smoothed out and feel a lot better. LoL is a modern game, it isn't some 2004 WoW "tick... tick... tick..." garbage for DoT. Fire, poison and other DoT with special exceptions(that I cannot think of) should burn and kill, not in twinges and ticks, but as a smooth, steady feeling. This is a step in that direction until someday Riot updates the engine and can just smooth DoTs completely.


Add a roar emote to her dragon form: Come on now, she is a damn DRAGON for anywhere from 20 seconds to unlimited amounts of time(theoretically possible). And her laugh emote and taunt are cool, yeah, whatever. But she should most certainly have a roar, this would help the dragon fantasy a lot!


Make her ult unstoppable and/or fix the cruddy hit box: Disputable whether either/both would make her too strong or not. I don't think so, with some numbers tweaks to her ult and some other places problems could be smoothed out. She is currently at a low pick and very low ban rate however, and those people still playing her are conditional picks and one tricks. So I do not think it would be a problem.

But I would rather give power elsewhere, to have reliability. The hit box is worse than Lux or Ashe ults were in S2, and the knock back completely unreliable, especially if close to the target. And the fact that her dragon transformation is not unstoppable just feels bad man, leaping as a dragon, burning your ult, only for Caitlyn to drop a tiny little trap under your feet and completely stop you mid air. Shyvana doesn't have the burst or CC that Vi has, I don't see why unstoppable status would break her, she might need some follow up tweaks at most. But it would be worth it in my opinion. People have complained about her hit box and being stopped by everything while ulting, since she came out.

Every other major dive ultimate I can think of is unstoppable once activated. Kled, J4, Malphite, Vi, Hecarim, Sion, Nocturne. So it seems more the standard to be unstoppable, not the exception.


Match her model to her artwork: Shyvana got a sexy, badass, frightening and ferocious new artwork a while back. Her original was http://i.imgur.com/lLI77GO.jpg Her new one is http://i.imgur.com/LCj0k3c.jpg

But her in game model still looks a lot more like the original one. I would love to see an update that gives her armor more accurate to her new artwork, the markings on her body and that overall much more ferocious and dangerous look.

http://orig03.deviantart.net/3442/f/2014/353/e/d/_wip_5__shyvana_the_half_dragon_by_yuliuskrisna-d8agh9y.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DB7Lc4y.jpg For example, here is a fan remake of her model.


Fix Shyvana's Taunt: Very minor complaint, Shyvana has her gauntlets upside down during her taunt. The top of the dragon head is on the bottom and vice versa. Perhaps this is just because the animators prefered the motions to be on this side of her body, which in that case, meh, whatever. But it is still a small gripe. http://www.lolking.net/models?champion=102


Increase the size of her Model in Dragon Form This is questionable, it will make it easier for her to body block and harder for her to dodge, but visually it would be epic. So I leave it to the players and balance team to look into this.


Add more Dialogue: A lot of older champions need this. At the moment none of Shyvana's skins add or alter dialogue at all, and her main skin, like Katarina, Kayle, Ashe and many others, has very few lines. These older champions have at most a minute or so of dialogue, while some newer champions have over thirty minutes! Some new dialogue, or a Legendary/Ultimate skin would be amazing. I understand that getting a voice actor setup for it isn't easy, so I am plenty patient with new dialogue or skins that add dialogue on these champions, but it still needed to be here.


Make her E a cone flame breath in Dragon Form: By high rate of suggestion this also seems to be a necessary change. I agree, her E in dragon form being just 5 projectiles like a Riven ult or something is just unappealing. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the art team doing a great job on the special effects on some of the skins for this. But as a dragon, she should be breathing a wave of fire out, more similar to Annie's W.


There was one specific thing I wanted to add that was thematic/visual, but for the life of me I cannot remember it, it and all other additions will be made as they come. And when they do I will edit the main post and bump them in the comments as well.

Thoughts, suggestions, complaints? Post them below.

Don't forget to upvote if you find this topic valid or interesting and want it to be seen. Or downvote because it is a forum and people do that!

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EDIT: To clarify, I know she already got a pass, but it was incomplete. Honestly one of the worst passes a champion ever got. They didn't fix her base model just a quick retexture, they didn't look at her ult mechanics, they did not give her any new lines of dialogue, they did not do a proper pass on her abilities, they didn't look into any of the problems her community complained about, they didn't give her a Statikk Shyv Skin.

What they did do was add an AP scaling to her W on hit... which would be nice I guess if Rageblade was useful or Tri-Force still gave AP. They updated her splash which was AWESOME! They fixed some things on her textures. And that is all I can think of... wow... really amazing 'VGU'. She deserves better.

86 Comments

Mira Arya Enthe7 votes

Love that the gif you picked from LotR is basically Morde. An undead overlord in heavy armor beating people with a mace ;P

DorkunedAuras12 votes

You think that's an accident?

Cryo0016 votes

They really need to make her dragon form E a cone of flame rather than five projectiles.

Also, cosmic (Aurelion's underling) or dark star shyvanna !!!

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Yaaaaaaaassss

Drehirth7 votes

Yes. Also mecha/battlecast shyvana pls.

Mira Arya Enthe4 votes

I would except mecha, battlecast, project, arcade, star guardian, dark star, cosmic reaver, spirit guard, pulsefire, dragon queen, ascended, thunderdrake(statikk Shyv ;D), bloodmoon or many others as a legendary/ultimate skin for her.

dragon1xx1 votes

accept not except

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

Except you should probably accept that I may have meant except, not accept. Well, except I did not, so I will make an exception and accept your correction.

Raiku Kawisa5 votes

I am a one-trick Shyvana main (been broading my pool by playing Vi) and it pains me to play Shyvana after the Age of Devourer. It was abroken item dont get me wrong, but it made Shyvana truly feared.

TyrekGoldenspear4 votes

Looks good.

QoL wise i am not sure if this counts but maybe we can have her fire breath do something more realistic when it reaches the end of its path instead of just disappearing instantly.

Maybe it can fizz out or something.

One more thing involving her E QoL wise:

Let her be able to cast it while moving without making her stop.

go commit die4 votes

No talk of her passive? Shyvana has probably the most boring passive in the game, giving a pathetic amount of armour and magic resist. I had an idea for a new passive which gave her bonus tenacity and dmg reduction the longer she remained in combat, fitting with her theme of dealing boatloads of sustained damage.

I think she needs a VGU. Theres not much in her kit that makes her particularly unhealthy, so it probably won't be on sion/yorick levels of rework, but given the current meta and her current kit there are a lot of things that could be changed to make her more fun, unique and viable. I feel as though that they should up her mobility to compensate her lack of cc and also make so that fighting those pesky ranged top laners wouldn't be as painful as dragging your balls through 80 kilometres of rusty nails and broken glass.

Big Lincoln3 votes

can Riot fix the Q on her darkflame skin as well? ever since her spell effects got tweaked it's been a blocky mess

GhaelWinds3 votes

Nothing too extreme here. But she definitely needs a VU, personally dont think she needs a VGU. She works well and has a nice dynamic.

Dominick Destine3 votes

At the risk of triggering the moderators; Heroes of Newerth had 1/8th of a second dot ticks during open beta 7 years ago back when LoL/HoN were neck to neck at 500k player base.

WTF has taken LoL so long to get to that point?

Veltox9 votes

Ironscale got some potential.

LXII2 votes

Only skin I use. The "her model is outdated" section of this post caught me by surprise because I've literally never seen it. lol

The Space Cowboy2 votes

Yeah I too hate how she looks in her default so I never play it either. I didn't ever play her until I had the money for a skin......Wait a minute this was their plan all along!

Samflash32 votes

It's not like I wanted to pentakill your team... baka

woobee3 votes

Also we need more legs for Ezreal's sake.

DragonShea3 votes

http://orig03.deviantart.net/3442/f/2014/353/e/d/_wip_5__shyvana_the_half_dragon_by_yuliuskrisna-d8agh9y.jpg

Fuck me Shyvana looks awesome in the fan remodel. She looks like a real dragon lady, hell her breast even look like harden scales over an atrothated organ considering dragons are reptilian. But the best part is her eyes, they are baggy, like she has been through hell and even seems tired and worn out but still fierce and will to keep on fighting.

She doesn't look like some sexy half-dragon babe, but a warrior. that is damn epic.

skyfall6193 votes

biggest thing that annoys me about shyvana is her e in dragon form. why does it shoot out multiple missiles and not just a one wave a flame kinda like annie w.

FeeNeeX3 votes

ON FREAKING POINT

MAKE THE CHAMPIONS MORE REALISTIC

CarameI Frappe2 votes

Shyvana's original skin always bothered me, luckily her other skins are nice and make up for it.

Mighty Mortein3 votes

Championship Shyvana <3

Gixia2 votes

I'm the opposite. It's all of Shyvana's other skins that bother me. I like some of them, but why is the original the only one with blue skin?

Forhonor3212 votes

I'm in favor for a lot of this. Her W really does need to be smoothing with the tick damage and they really need to add either an unstoppable to the ult or make the hit box more reliable. It's just ridiculous how many times I've just flown over people without doing anything to them.

As to a VU I also agree since most of her skins besides Super Galaxay, Championship, and possibly Ice Drake are all kinda out of date. Extra voice lines however I don't think we can fully count on unless she gets a VGU. From what I've read somewhere apparently it takes time for Riot to get the right dialogue for a champion done right and even more time to get the voice actor to do the lines. But more dialogue for older champions I'll always support.

Edit: Just had a thought. Maybe they also try to make her top lane viable again. As much as I love her in the jungle I'd really like to see if they could bring her back to the top lane rather than just completely keep her in the jungle.

Xeruon2 votes

So uh...can we call you the MM of Shyv now?

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

MM?

Xeruon2 votes

Malicious Metal. I'm surprised you haven't heard of him.

Neamean2 votes

Statikk Shy really need to happen. It is the highest up voted post in the concept and creation board and it need to be a legendary skin. Maybe it could have inspiration from Ao Shin too.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/57/AoShin_ConceptArt.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160307222951 http://i.imgur.com/Hv6fLnV.png

Over Innsmouth2 votes

I've loved Shyv for ages as a character - especially since dragons are only second to vampires in terms of fantasy favouritism - but I havent played her because she looks pretty mediocre and her gameplay is to be perfectly frank, tremendously boring.

With what Riot's been doing lately, imagine what they could do with Shyvana's concept of Half-Dragon.

shudders in anticipation

Upvoted heartily.

Mommy Elise2 votes

Hey again, dragon! Just dropping by the 'ole Web to lend my input :p

I like the idea of that VGU. It looks great and I LOVE Shy's new art (though I actually dislike the way the wings are coming out of her body... it just looks... weird somehow, but then hips. Unf. Anyway.)

I think the idea to make Shy's ult unstoppable isn't a bad one. I do somehow come away with the feeling that Shyvana's ult is kinda lackluster every time I play it. While I've seen some people saying the rest of her kit is more simplistic, I really don't mind that, honestly. I like the way Shyvana plays currently, but I think she needs some tweaks to her ability to make playing her feel smoother and less frustrating at points (especially with her ult.) I wonder if it would really bad all that bad to make her ult leap a longer range, too. Make it so she can do kinda a Zac thing where you can surprise dragon from interesting points. I feel like that'd really give her something cool.

Sire Hippington2 votes

Yep, those are all changes she really needs. IF she turns out to strong with them, the first place to take away some power from her should be the 20% bonus damage vs monsters on her W imo, it's not needed and holds her kit back, forceing her to rely on powerfarming and useing the resulting gold/xp lead to do things, which is one of the reason why she's unviable on lane atm, as her kit sucks if she doesn't have that farm advantage.

And for exeptions of smooth ticks: Rammus ult, as it's periodic shocwaves rippling out. Can't thonk of any other right now though

Overlord Forte2 votes

I'd say her armor actually needs a clarity pass on her Classic design, in so far as the melding armor/giant red scales. I get what they're trying to do, but it visually confuses what part of her is her, and what she is wearing. Her thighs are the clearest example of this problem, followed by ... whatever the hell is going on with her chest. She's clearly wearing heavy armor, but then wait! It's growing out of her?

It could be much stronger if it was clearly one or the other, rather than this weird hybrid of both.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

I didn't get that from it. To me she just seems to be wearing armor. But I may be wrong.

Overlord Forte1 votes

This points it out a bit more: http://i.imgur.com/MDUughS.jpg

Armor is not worn with sharp angles into the flesh, lest you want it to tear into your own body with the slightest movement. The logical point is that it's literally growing out of her, which fits the picture much better. But, we get the discord that arises: she's both wearing armor, and having that same armor growing out of her. It's not consistent.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

It appears she is about to transform into dragon form. Wings and tail behind her. So much rage gauntlets are melting. Armor is likely molding into scaly stuff as she transforms.

Overlord Forte2 votes

Hence, what I see they're trying to do, but it causes confusion. The scene reads as an intimidating strut, not an imminent transformation, so that part of her changing like that is just ???. The in-game model, which maintains her original look, actually has the thigh armor behave like armor. You can clearly see the edges of the plates, as well as the straps/bindings used to keep them fastened.

Shifue Draven2 votes

Speaking as a shyvanna main i would love to see a visual update on her she looks a bit dated to say the least. the lot of her skills needs an visual overhall as well the dragon needs a better look and so does flame breath. The skills themselves power wise i have no issues with i have zero problems securing kills or running off baddies. i can stand toe to toe with darius or any of the juggernauts for that matter granted her passive is kinda bleh but it's 20/40 free protections and i build like a rock so yeah it's hard to crack my scales.However that being said i main her in jungle so i don't know if their is any pain in her skills/build in say top.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Her passive use to be interactive. It was on hit effects for her abilities. Instead each was moved to their respective abilities and the passive Armor and Magic Resist from her ult was moved to her passive so she could benefit from it lvl 1.

PapaGreg212 votes

The problem is that Riot doesn't see Shyvana as being in a bad spot right now. I asked for weeks that they revert the Q nerf because it was not needed anymore once devourer was removed and a Rioter responded saying they liked where she was right now. She's probably be like Sejuani post cinderhulk in that she will stink for over a year and once all the other junglers have steadily been nerfed she will be back in contention through process of elimination.

Shadragon2 votes

Is there any possibility of making her dragon form less batlike? When I see Shyvana in dragon form my immediate thought is 'giant armored bat'. Between her wings and animations she looks INCREDIBLY similar to a bat. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the art department used bats as a reference when designing her animations because the resemblance is uncanny. She either needs to have her wings and forelegs separated, or maybe have her head and horns made bigger and more draconic so you notice them more.

GoldenShaman2 votes

The other thing they need to fix is her ult. First, her ult is like the slowest dash in the game, the knockback is mediocre, and it deals almost no damage, and when you're in dragon form, you have very little benefits. Yes your q does AoE damage, yes your w leaves a trail of fire that does damage, and yes your e becomes a cone, but that's it. It's sometimes even better to be in non-dragon form because your hitbox becomes so big when you're in dragon form. Your abilities also dont deal extra damage, and the little effects that they gain are so small that they don't even matter most of the time. It would be nice if the abilities in dragon form become different, like gnar in mega form. (sorry if I made mistakes)

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

I wouldn't want them too different, it would break her playstyle. Perhaps they could be more impactful in dragon form however. Maybe make her E shoot a more proper plume of fire that also burns the ground and champions for a couple seconds.

Linna Excel2 votes

I'd also like to ask that shyvana be made top lane viable again. She hasn't regularly been played top in forever.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

While I agree. That would be part of a bigger issue that would start by addressing the ranged top laner, melee top laner Juggernaut top laner balance issues.

Gixia1 votes

As a Shyvana main, I would like some buffs, but at the same time some of the stuff being asked for we are never going to get.

Example, making her ult unstoppable: While I would LOVE a change like this because getting interrupted is frustrating as fuck, we are not likely to ever get that. Unstoppable is extremely rare and extremely powerful, and the more people you give it to, the more people will start demanding that every jump skill in the game be unstoppable. It's frustrating for Shyvana, but it's not actually a safe buff to give her without setting a bad precedent.

That said, fixing its wonky hitbox and making the knockback more consistent would be nice.

More dialogue and a VGU both go together, and also aren't something we're gonna get for several years. Much as I'd love to see Shyvana brought up to match her sexy newer splash art, there are a LOT of champions who are way uglier. Not just the obvious ones like Warwick and Urgot, there's also Evelynn, Morgana, Akali, Mordekaiser, Shaco, Nunu, Kayle, Galio... and those are just the ones off the top of my head, I know there's more that are both uglier AND also have shittier kits.

On top of that, I'm almost afraid of what an actual Shyvana VGU would look like. Considering they keep refusing to make any of her skins blue, I'd be afraid of them changing her base look too much.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Also on a side note. The reason Shyvana deserves one is because she got one. But it was an incomplete pass. They didn't fix any of the bugs with her, they didn't fix the problems with her base model, they did not take a look at all at her mechanics or abilities. All they did was update her splash, fix some texture issues and add AP scaling to her W on hit for some reason.

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