So I'm a diamond player(for whatever that's worth) with over 1000 zyra games and

manbearswine·May 4, 2015·8 votes·2,260 views

I just can't take it anymore,it's obnoxious how bad she is right now,I'm tired of my opponents messing up 5 times getting some damage but if I make the same mistake I implode instantly implode,I'm tired of having 70 counters and no strengths to offset that,I'm tired of the fact that even though it's unlikely riot would call anything about her toxic our glorious kassadin has been receiving so much attention while she's been ignored for more than a year.

I've had it with how deep the balance team has their heads up their ass that they focus more on her 52% winrate(god knows who picks this shit,and under which circumstances) than her 2% pickrate,and how I keep staring at pbe patch notes,hoping for anything and the only thing she gets for more than a year is some clarity change on her plants,alongside a note which literally mocks you(you know after more than 1000 games,you'd think I'd learn to appreciate her plants,but I guess the fault is always with the player,never with the balance team).

I've actually made a smurf because I just can't play her on my main,and I'm already starting to feel like I'm playing with a big handicap,I've even asked some players better than me(i.e challengers,masters) on tips as maybe I am missing something,but the reply is just:"she's just bad".

@Riot,if you are reading this,I'm sorry for wasting your time about zyra,you can go back to compensating ahri some more,or buffing zed,maybe lee needs attention?

You can say it's a vent,maybe it is,but I don't see it as such,after a certain point ignoring a supposedly healthy champion just starts to show incompetence(Yes I'm aware not only zyra is in this spot).

64 Comments

Valhalla RisingMay 5, 20153 votes

I main zyra, and I've felt the way you feel currently, but then i just took some time off from playing her, tried lots of other champs, then realized just how much power zyra really has.

3 pages of comments, i'm sure i'm repeating what others might have said so, ill just make this brief as possible, especially since im speaking from lower elo.

i'll start by saying she is ridiculously squishy, definitely top 5 most vulnerable champs in game.

but that is easily compensated by her ability to squish others and even 1v5 a whole team on her own let alone with a team.

just remember her basic strengths that may have slipped your mind.

-she can cast all her spells through units, and her q can not be blocked by wind wall or unbreakable. -reasonable burst that quickly turns in to high sustained damage from her plants. -all spells deal aoe, land a full rotation on 4-5 enemies I seriously doubt you'll lose. -long range on everything. -low mana cost. -crazy waveclear. -crazy zoning. -crazy kill you from behind the wall. -crazy kill anything that tries to dive you under turret.

all you have to do is buy wards until you upgrade trink, and don't' stray too far from safety, patience is zyras lifeblood.

stick with her man she's a boss.

p.s. I used to strictly e-w-q-w-r for my combo, then I finally accepted there is not always enough time when a fight happens or you get caught so, encase you have this same habbit, try to beak it and just ult first, fuck the 50% as boost to plants if you can't get it, as least you get something, or don't get dead.

manbearswineMay 5, 20151 votes

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I main zyra, and I've felt the way you feel currently, but then i just took some time off from playing her, tried lots of other champs, then realized just how much power zyra really has.

Well I took some time off too,nothing changed,still terrible.

3 pages of comments, i'm sure i'm repeating what others might have said so, ill just make this brief as possible, especially since im speaking from lower elo.

That's sensible,I gues...

i'll start by saying she is ridiculously squishy, definitely top 5 most vulnerable champs in game.

I'd say that's a fair statement.

but that is easily compensated by her ability to squish others and even 1v5 a whole team on her own let alone with a team.

Ok here's the issue,she is slow,and skillshot based,if the enemy is incompetant they might let you do that,otherwise she is a very easy champion to avoid fighting with if you don't want to.

just remember her basic strengths that may have slipped your mind.

-she can cast all her spells through units, and her q can not be blocked by wind wall or unbreakable.

Well consider a good yasuo is a faceroll hard counter to her that's not something very worthwhile.

-reasonable burst that quickly turns in to high sustained damage from her plants. -all spells deal aoe, land a full rotation on 4-5 enemies I seriously doubt you'll lose. -long range on everything.

Ok look her range REALLY isn't long,in fact it pretty god damn shit,especially for something so vunerable,there are very few(if at all) skillshot based mages with a shorter range.

-low mana cost.

Her mana costs aren't low,especially early game,her q starts at 75 mana,for whatever reason.

-crazy waveclear.

It's okay.

-crazy zoning.

Not really.

-crazy kill you from behind the wall.

Eh?

-crazy kill anything that tries to dive you under turret.

lol,with that delayed kit? who exactly can she kill when diving her? fizz? yasuo? zed?

all you have to do is buy wards until you upgrade trink, and don't' stray too far from safety, patience is zyras lifeblood.

Against the gank heavy junglers,even that won't help you,it's not just that,against any decent midlaner zyra shouldn't survive lane that is: ahri,kass,vlad(she'll survive this one,but get outscaled,hard),yasuo,fizz,zed,cass,xerath,le blanc and the list goes on.

stick with her man she's a boss.

Her 2% pickrate comes from a reason,no matter how positive you want to be about it,she really isn't good.

p.s. I used to strictly e-w-q-w-r for my combo, then I finally accepted there is not always enough time when a fight happens or you get caught so, encase you have this same habbit, try to beak it and just ult first, fuck the 50% as boost to plants if you can't get it, as least you get something, or don't get dead.

Not really,I don't have this habit.

Mandang0May 5, 20152 votes

I'd appreciate even some QoL changes, like making plants live longer vs AOE DoTs (cinderhulk meta) and having them actually target correctly/reliably after I mark an enemy champion.

Nucleophilic atkMay 5, 20152 votes

I face Zyra support and she does high damage and has great utility. I guess you are just bad with her.

manbearswineMay 5, 20151 votes

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I face Zyra support and she does high damage and has great utility. I guess you are just bad with her.

Well maybe if you weren't so horrible yourself you would see what I'm talking about,but I'm guess that's not an option,oh well.

Nucleophilic atkMay 5, 20153 votes

My league skills > your grammar skills.

CupidlyMay 8, 20151 votes

And we all know that people who start grammar nazi-ing are those who lose arguments. Simple fact.

Nucleophilic atkMay 11, 20151 votes

There was no argument to be had. He said he sucked at Zyra and attacked my league skills. I said ok. I also just don't believe in people being dumb dumbs in regards to English. People judge you when you can write at the level of a 4th grader.

Hex the FenFenMay 5, 20152 votes

I main Zyra mid and I honestly don't see what you are complaining about, it may be that I am only in Silver but still, i generally do really well with her. Even if i lose lane i do immense damage and control in teamfights. I do wish they would fix her plant AI because even if the champion is in range and does not leave range the plant will attack minions, but that is about it.....her damage is pretty nice if you build correctly and have the right runes. Her poke is PAINFUL early game and does not really fall off. Around mid game i can delete my lane opponent and the adc easily

Titanium70May 5, 20152 votes

Oh you´re so right... picked her up a few days ago - she´s a shadow of her former selfe. q.q (Not talking about this OP-Shit after release xD)

Thorns RisingMay 7, 20152 votes

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manbearswineMay 12, 20151 votes

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First of all you need to calm down if you want to positively push out your opinion on possible changes to Zyra's kit. It doesn't work this way.

It doesn't work either way,look,let's be reasonable for a moment,taric is more popular than zyra,and taric is basically the lamest champion in this game(I'm really not trying to offend anyone here,but he really is,that's why they want to give him nearly sion level of work),clearly the playerbase sees something wrong with her,and I doubt it's her base kit,but riot just doesn't care,I doubt anything is capable of changing their mind,might as well tell them they are doing a horrible job,which in zyra's case,they definitely are.

Yes you are frustrated but that doesn't mean you come on the forums and let it all out. I have a 58% winrate across 300 games this season alone with Zyra.

It's very easy to heavily skew a winrate,one option is to use said champion to climb after an elo reset,another option is just to play champions which are even worse than that champion(or troll),another option is to only play that champion,in which case it will just reflect your rank.

What specifically do you want to see changed about Zyra? I personally think if she had a slight movespeed increase she would be considered flavor of the month.

I(and even though It's definitely not a very polite statement,just have no other way of putting it) think you are delusional if you think a minor buff would throw a champion who is completely ignored(both in solo q,and more importantly: in competitive) into fotm status.

I don't really know if it's necessary though, like I said... 58% winrate over 300 games because I know how to play her and know her strengths and weaknesses.

Again,winrate is very easy to skew.

The trick to playing Zyra is to remain positive.

I don't see the point in being positive while playing with a handicap,besides,positivity is overrated in general,I succeeded in plenty of cases I was sure I'd fail at,just do your best regardless of anything,positivity is pointless.

CupidlyMay 8, 20152 votes

Thank you so much for this post. I agree with you whole heartedly. I played Zyra since season 3 and I loved her. Ever since her changes and nerfs, she has been whittled down to pretty much a joke of a mid-laner. Your sentiments resonate deeply with mine, especially when you mentioned: "staring at pbe patch notes for any updates on Zyra." I honestly rush to the champion list and try to find any notes on her, but of course, priorities are elsewhere. I guess we just have to accept the fact that Riot will not and would not even consider a minor buff to her because they think her 'damage output' in team fights far outweighs her strength as a mid-laner. The redundant argument of: "Well, she has insane burst damage in team fights" will always trump her laning etc., is getting old. We can cry all we want about Zyra, but let's just admit the limitations of our complaints. Riot probably feels Zyra is decent the way she is, and should be untouched if not further nerfed. Forget it. Just find another champion to main or something. I've made several posts about this, and all of my posts have been downvoted because the majority of people also think she's "OP". Ranking in Diamond with Zyra is pretty comical. You make ONE mistake and it's pretty much the end for you. No room for outplay. Also, what irritates me most and what COULD possibly compensate for Zyra's immobility is raising the movement of her "E" (root). The movement speed initially for her snare was 1400, and now it has been reduced to a measly 900. What a joke. I've mentioned this before, and I'll say it again. A dead beetle could dodge the damn snare. I don't care what anyone else has to say. It's slow, and we all know it. Anyway, let's just pray together silently and hope Jesus secretly buffs Zyra, because I'm sure Riot wont.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20151 votes

Zyra is more of a poking champ than an all in champ. She is very dominant on aram, just like most of the really strong poke champions on there. I have never had Zyra on aram and not been the highest damage on my team, regardless of who else is on my team. She is not bad, she is not weak, she doesnt have the burst of some ap champions which is why you instantly implode. She is more of an annoying hard to push against poke champion like heimer. And a 52% win rate is pretty good compared to some champs. I mean people complain about teemo alot and go check the lolking stats http://www.lolking.net/champions/teemo#statistics barely over 50%, probably less than zyra.

manbearswineMay 5, 20158 votes

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Zyra is more of a poking champ than an all in champ. She is very dominant on aram,

Who cares about aram?

just like most of the really strong poke champions on there. I have never had Zyra on aram and not been the highest damage on my team, regardless of who else is on my team.

Nobody,nobody cares about the balance of aram.

She is not bad, she is not weak,

Alright,I have a shiny diamond badge and 1000 zyra games,you have a bunch of experiences playing against/with her...in aram... Is it really so hard for people to just realize they don't understand something and move on? Instead of aruging with me about something you clearly don't have the feithest clue about,you could just do the reasonable thing,realize that you play only aram which is a fun mode(for some) and there's nothing wrong with that,but that does eventually mean you don't have the slightest clue about the balance in this game,just move on,don't be the idiot who pretends to understand everything.

she doesnt have the burst of some ap champions which is why you instantly implode. She is more of an annoying hard to push against poke champion like heimer. And a 52% win rate is pretty good compared to some champs.

You'd think people would realize winrate doesn't say much,especially after there were plenty of cases where champions with sub 50% winrate champions were nerfed,and some above 50% were buffed(see the upcoming ashe changes).

I mean people complain about teemo alot and go check the lolking stats http://www.lolking.net/champions/teemo#statistics barely over 50%, probably less than zyra.

Seriously,stop pretending you understand what's going on with these silly statstics of yours,you know,people who actually play this game on a serious level,in a competitive game mode,reach champions select,think "hmm,who should I pick?" and then reach the conclusion "yeah,definitely not zyra"

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20154 votes

QQ more man, build a rod of ages and liandrys and stop complaining about getting blown up then. Zyra is fine where she is at, and no i dont have just experience on aram, but thats where i learned her strengths. Mr diamond needs some experience.

manbearswineMay 5, 20156 votes

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QQ more man, build a rod of ages and liandrys and stop complaining about getting blown up then.

Any other shit builds I should avoid on her?

Zyra is fine where she is at, and no i dont have just experience on aram, but thats where i learned her strengths. Mr diamond needs some experience.

I'd say Mr unranked scrub needs some experience,but I think we all know that.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20152 votes

Dude she isnt a burst ap champion, and you are complaining that fact. She too squishy? build some resist or hp. The fact that your thread is getting more downvotes than upvotes speaks for itself man. Rank has NOTHING to do with skill, some people just dont like the attitudes that ranked people have. Your responses to me have proven that fact.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20153 votes

Also http://www.lolking.net/summoner/eune/30397717#matches hourglass isnt going to save you but for a short amount of time, build some survivability instead of damage.

manbearswineMay 5, 20152 votes

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Also http://www.lolking.net/summoner/eune/30397717#matches hourglass isnt going to save you but for a short amount of time, build some survivability instead of damage.

nice trolling I rate 8/8 m8,stay bronze.

AbyssphereMay 5, 20151 votes

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Also http://www.lolking.net/summoner/eune/30397717#matches hourglass isnt going to save you but for a short amount of time, build some survivability instead of damage.

Hourglass has survivability in 50 armor, you know. And it's generally seen as core on champions like Zyra and Heimerdinger because it gives them a time where enemy champions can't attack them but their plants can attack the enemy.

manbearswineMay 5, 20151 votes

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Dude she isnt a burst ap champion, and you are complaining that fact.

I never said she's an ap burst champion,and never complained about her burst specifically.

She too squishy? build some resist or hp.

God with this bronze logic,no,just no.

The fact that your thread is getting more downvotes than upvotes speaks for itself man.

I remember my first balance complaint thread,it was that taric was broken in late s2,got instaclosed by downvotes in an hour,a month later he got nerfed with riot calling him "head and shoulders above his peers","the forums are filled with idiots who love to downvote,more news at 11"

Rank has NOTHING to do with skill,

It actually mirrors it rather well,if you let it calibrate properly.

some people just dont like the attitudes that ranked people have.

Neither do I.

Your responses to me have proven that fact.

No,but it goes a long way of showing your experience,otherwise people will need to take your word for it,which since these forums are filled with scrubs like you who think they are challenger material and expect to take their word as if that's the case,if you are going to make a post the like of which "zyra is good,as can be seen in arams" I'm going to call you a moron for it,and rightly so.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20151 votes

Seriously, learn the game more please. Dont judge me cause you win 1% more games out of 1000. read the posts that i posted in response to the guy who is supporting you being toxic.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20152 votes

Obviously if you keep building the same, you are going to keep having the same problems, ADJUST, dont sit there and complain that you cant build the same way a xerath does, or whatever your issue is. Adjust. I played jungle jax before his update, and people trolled me hard and flamed me for it hard. And when the patch notes came out, its OH look a video by phreak using jungle jax...then everyone and their grandma wants to try jungle jax. Seriously...just dont. Try it, try something different, just stop complaining about your champ being underpowered if you cant play them the way you want to play them, play them to their maximum efficiency, whatever it may be, there is TONS of things you can do to help your team...stop worrying about yourself.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20153 votes

My experience?? Im not the one who claimed to have played 1000 games with zyra, my stats i posted in this thread are 100% honest, i have no shame in my play. And calling me a scrub cause i dont play ranked at diamond tier means absolutely nothing. my mmr for normal games is 52.2% since MY FIRST NORMAL GAME. And that means since i was level whatever you can play normals at. You call me scrub, cause you are looking for someone to blame for you not adjusting to the style of play that your champ has, instead you want to use them in a different way, which does not work obviously for you if you are having those problems and complaining like you are man. gez...grow up man seriously

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20151 votes

Also i had no experience with moba before league of legends, and im 34 years old, and i play camera locked with that win rate. If i calculated my win rate for normals for this year, i know i would be ranked well. So just stop.

biggad2001May 5, 20153 votes

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Dude she isnt a burst ap champion, and you are complaining that fact. She too squishy? build some resist or hp. The fact that your thread is getting more downvotes than upvotes speaks for itself man. Rank has NOTHING to do with skill, some people just dont like the attitudes that ranked people have. Your responses to me have proven that fact.

Rank reflects skill lol, but OP is a 1 trick pony not happy if he doesnt get 100% w/l

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20155 votes

Rank reflects skill for those who play ranked. Also I looked at his match history and he has not played much since urf last month, but his zyra games from then he was building pure damage. You cant complain about surviveability if you dont want to build anything to survive.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20151 votes

If you build ROA and Liandrys, which was called a shyt build. She can outpoke most champs in lane, like liandrys is literally a must for me on her because the scaling isnt that great on her plants, and using that range is essential to success with her, just as it is with landing xeraths q. But i digress, since im not challenger ranked aint nobody tryin to hear it.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20151 votes

Im gonna give a very recent example of that build on a champ who has nowhere near the range of zyra. I was being fast pushed by ahri in lane, who I solo killed twice, but was fast pushing me to make up for me beating her 1v1 in poke. I asked for help but wasnt getting it, so i started roaming after she was denying me minion score. The results really speak for themselves. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1812489401/39496764?tab=overview Sometimes people troll others just based on the way they like to play champions, there is more than one way to play champs, there isnt one specific build to build for every champion that is the best.

biggad2001May 5, 20153 votes

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Rank reflects skill for those who play ranked. Also I looked at his match history and he has not played much since urf last month, but his zyra games from then he was building pure damage. You cant complain about surviveability if you dont want to build anything to survive.

Considering your normal mmr is low af as well bro.

Also, roa is bad.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20151 votes

I have been an aram only basically player for quite some time, i very rarely play on summoners rift anymore, like maybe 10 out of 100 games i play are sr. And you dont know my mmr. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=MagicOfLight 65% of my last 20 games. Id say thats pretty fair, wouldnt you??

Also playing teambuilder when it came out, if my mmr is how you say it is, really hurt my normal mmr because of the lack of skilled players who use it. So either way, your argument is still invalid.

Im like something like 170/210 or so using teambuilder...and that does not reflect my personal skill. Because I cant tell you how many games people were trolling, toxic and feeding, leaving, and things like that. Which is why i no longer play team builder. :) ty have a nice day.

"edit" you know, since you are making judgements with no data, im going to load up a normal game vs bots in custom and look at my w/l afterwards and calculate my winning percentage. I will post back after i get the results, and im not including my teambuilder games.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20152 votes

Also ROA is far from bad. Building it makes you less reliant on blue, giving your jungler a leg up, it gives tons of mana and health and ap. Just cause "pros" dont use something does not mean its bad. Swain is not bad, Urgot was considered bad till the pros started using him. Stop going by what everybody else says and does and judge for yourself.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20152 votes

Ok so i win 52.2% of normal games, its not great, its not bad. But it doesnt mean im always wrong because you win 1% more games than me or whatever. I mean seriuosly, you ranked guys and your attitudes towards anyone who isnt ranked as high as you, or builds something different than you do, or doesnt follow the guides written by doublelift ect ect...yall need to get down off your high horses.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20151 votes

Also thats all my ranked games over the time i have been playing, 4 years worth, a little over 800 games, i dont sit here and play the game to death like some people do either.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20151 votes

Also Also, i would like to add that out of 1000 games, a challenger tier person may win 40-50 more games than i do at my mmr for normal games. And i havent even played 1000 normal games in normals. In all honesty, that does show SOME improvement...but not to a degree as to demean and attack people who lose a couple more games than you guys do. Metas change, and there is always someone who starts it. If i played thousands upon thousands of games, my winning rate would be much higher than it is, and you see people in ranked who have played as many normal games as i have played in my entire time playing league, and they have played MORE in one season in ranked. So that increases your MMR signifigantly if you play more games. Seriously...you guys really tick me off sometimes.

biggad2001May 5, 20152 votes

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I have been an aram only basically player for quite some time, i very rarely play on summoners rift anymore, like maybe 10 out of 100 games i play are sr. And you dont know my mmr. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=MagicOfLight 65% of my last 20 games. Id say thats pretty fair, wouldnt you??

Also playing teambuilder when it came out, if my mmr is how you say it is, really hurt my normal mmr because of the lack of skilled players who use it. So either way, your argument is still invalid.

Im like something like 170/210 or so using teambuilder...and that does not reflect my personal skill. Because I cant tell you how many games people were trolling, toxic and feeding, leaving, and things like that. Which is why i no longer play team builder. :) ty have a nice day.

"edit" you know, since you are making judgements with no data, im going to load up a normal game vs bots in custom and look at my w/l afterwards and calculate my winning percentage. I will post back after i get the results, and im not including my teambuilder games.

You can type whole walls but if you face bronzies/silvers your mmr is jack sheit low^

And we talking zyra, not swain.

MagicOfLightMay 5, 20151 votes

I have seen challengers, diamonds, plats, golds ect ect...whatever, you guys are toxic and a perfect example why the league of legends community is so terrible, and why i normally avoid the forums at all costs. I spend 1 day...1 day looking through forums, and i stumble across people like you.

biggad2001May 5, 20152 votes

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I have seen challengers, diamonds, plats, golds ect ect...whatever, you guys are toxic and a perfect example why the league of legends community is so terrible, and why i normally avoid the forums at all costs. I spend 1 day...1 day looking through forums, and i stumble across people like you.

Im toxic cause im calling your mmr low/roa zyra bad which it is by sheer facts?0o

ps: i had 95% w/l bronze>high silver, so much for your ''40-50 more games ^'

manbearswineMay 5, 20151 votes

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Rank reflects skill lol, but OP is a 1 trick pony not happy if he doesnt get 100% w/l

I'm not exactly a one trick pony,I can play other champions,I'm just not too happy about it,see issue with this theory is,if you are right,and I just want 100% winrate(or free elo),and she is actually strong right now,why do I never pick her in a serious match? If I'm lying,why do I basically have no ranked zyra games in s4?(which was well,the last time I played ranked)

JxiMay 5, 20152 votes

You're exactly that kind of POS guy who doesn't play ranked and shouts "ELO HELL DOESN'T EXIST" whenever someone down in Bronze makes a thread about it. You know absolutely nothing with regards to what you're talking about. Ignore this thread and move on.

DreddethMay 5, 20153 votes

Actually, statistics are valid evidence. Anecdotes, that is, personal experiences, are not.

For example, if I were one of the however-many people who survived a bullet to the head, my personal experience would not in any way disprove that the vast majority of such injuries are fatal. If I were to be killed by a doorknob in some freak accident, that doesn't prove that doorknobs are at all dangerous outside of the circumstances of said accident.

Also, being salty and calling names are not valid or relevant counterpoints. It does do a lot to make you look bad, though.

Where and how exactly do you play Zyra? I'd agree that she is more of a poking/zoning champ, based on what anyone can read of her kit, and as such, seeing her go Support or AP Mid is fairly common, whereas Solo Top Zyra is, frankly, unheard of.

manbearswineMay 5, 20152 votes

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Actually, statistics are valid evidence.

Numbers don't lie,but need to be read properly,as said by riot "winrates don't tell the whole story",every good player knows le blanc is op,and every good players knows that pre cinderhulk lee was op,and every non retarded player knows ashe is shit right now,yet each one of those is/was misrepresented by winrate.

Anecdotes, that is, personal experiences, are not. For example, if I were one of the however-many people who survived a bullet to the head, my personal experience would not in any way disprove that the vast majority of such injuries are fatal. If I were to be killed by a doorknob in some freak accident, that doesn't prove that doorknobs are at all dangerous outside of the circumstances of said accident.

You assume that this post is based of one game,you forget that this these precious statistics of yours are based on many games,WHICH I HAVE.

On top of that I even said I asked other people who are knowledgeable on the subject and the consensus she is bad was very strong,but people who have no clue how this game works like to pretend they do with these winrates for whatever reason,go figure.

For example, if I were one of the however-many people who survived a bullet to the head, my personal experience would not in any way disprove that the vast majority of such injuries are fatal. If I were to be killed by a doorknob in some freak accident, that doesn't prove that doorknobs are at all dangerous outside of the circumstances of said accident.

Also, being salty and calling names are not valid or relevant counterpoints. It does do a lot to make you look bad, though.

If you look at it from a very shallow point of view yes,if you actually think of the way his post is written,you'd realize he is being incredibly arrogant,and thus earned my disrespect.

Where and how exactly do you play Zyra? I'd agree that she is more of a poking/zoning champ, based on what anyone can read of her kit, and as such, seeing her go Support or AP Mid is fairly common, whereas Solo Top Zyra is, frankly, unheard of.

Nah I'm diamond and I play her as an adc,what do you think?!(this is exactly the arrogance I'm talking about,you see "diamond and 1k games" and the first thing you think of is "oh this guy must be doing something incredibly stupid,like jungle zyra(which I do on occasion,but that's not what this post is about))

Support mostly,gave up on her mid lane long ago.

DreddethMay 5, 20152 votes

Could you please at least try to meet me halfway on the whole polite discussion thing?

There are three Zyra matches on your on-site history, of which you have won two. On lolking.net, you've not played Zyra in ranked since last season, in which you had a 75% winrate with her, having played 4 games. In season 3, you played 109 games as Zyra, with a 65.1% winrate.

Not only do you evidently not have "over 1000 Zyra games" even over the course of your entire history, you also appear to do better in them than your post's tone would suggest, so I can't help but doubt your claims.

manbearswineMay 5, 20151 votes

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Could you please at least try to meet me halfway on the whole polite discussion thing?

Depends on what you mean by that.

There are three Zyra matches on your on-site history, of which you have won two.

Now that is definetly a very small sample size.

On lolking.net, you've not played Zyra in ranked since last season, in which you had a 75% winrate with her, having played 4 games.

I'm guessing they were ranked 5v5 semi trolling,that's also where my s3 100% winrate free week support vayne comes from(It was 4 support champions+vayne,support vayne,I bet nobody saw that coming),I'm really unwilling to take this champion into a ranked game.

In season 3, you played 109 games as Zyra, with a 65.1% winrate.

Oh the good old days,before she was nerfed to utter shit. 3.13,never forget.

Not only do you evidently not have "over 1000 Zyra games" even over the course of your entire history,

Cause those are only ranked games,and I'm really not a fan of ranked games,most of them were done in normal draft,I guess I can ask friends to testify on that(which seems stupid),but I'm not sure what the point in that would be,I can give you my word that it's true,do with that what you will.

you also appear to do better in them than your post's tone would suggest, so I can't help but doubt your claims.

These things are immensely misleading(I warned you about winrates),take my s4 sona for example,I mostly just climbed with her after the reset(which inherently comes with a high winrate),I mostly dropped her when games got more serious,and moved to janna/soraka/nami,but that's not relevant anyway as my zyra games(after s3) are mostly ranked 5v5 nonsense(which is completely meaningless unless you commit to a team,which I didn't),in s3 zyra was strong,coincidentally it's also reflected in my winrate,but I wouldn't jump to conclusions over that(I will however tell you upfront that she was strong in s3,up to the damned 3.13).

DreddethMay 5, 20152 votes

Personally, I'm kind of surprised you did that well, considering you apparently don't build anything other than AP.

manbearswineMay 5, 20151 votes

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Personally, I'm kind of surprised you did that well, considering you apparently don't build anything other than AP.

In urf? I actually often builds things like locket though I generally avoid mikaels as the mana is just an overkill.

ChortleMay 5, 20151 votes

She's freelo midlane

item 3285

glass cannon mage OP!

Illâoi Evê SiônMay 7, 20151 votes

Why did this get so many downvotes? :(

manbearswineMay 12, 20151 votes

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Why did this get so many downvotes? :(

"The all is balanced cult" basically,they will downvote any serious complaint about balance(that's why you see so many "maybe some minor qol change?"/"just change the passive threads",take ashe for example,how many "ashe needs major buffs" threads did you see? now how many "can ashe have a new passive please?" threads did you see? now tell me: how big of a buff does her rework look to you?),Idiots love to pretend they know better than others,and immediately think to themselves "lol this noob,I just saw a zyra win hard last time I saw her(never mind that it was a month ago,as nobody picks her anyway)".