bringing back the old runnans will fix a lot of issues

MunchCrunchLunch··19 votes·1,550 views

Twitch and Caitlyn are awfully strong at the moment. quite possibly the strongest adc s in terms of dps. and they are 2 of 3 ad carries that build hurricane. why did you make hurricane into an adc item. kayle and teemo used to build it too. attack speed only made it more universal. if these champions are getting way more dps with runnans they need to be sacrificing something. but runnans give as much crit/attack speed as other zeal items. and caitlyn interaction with hurricane and headshots makes no sense.

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MXXXXXL10 votes

Why the hell did they even rework item 3085, they took the unique 70% attack speed and made it into a boring attack speed crit item along with item 3046 item 3094 item 3087.

Each one gives at least 5% movement speed, 30% crit chance, at least 30% attack speed, and nice passive. item 3046 Gives an extra 15% attack speed, movement passive, damage reduction. item 3094 Longer ranged auto. item 3087 Gives 5% extra attack speed, more damage on auto. item 3085 Gives an extra 10% attack speed, an extra 2% movement speed, triple bolt passive, recurve bow passive. do we really need 4 items that give really similair stats?

RavenMagus2 votes

Meanwhile us mages are shoehorned into item 3165 every game

Jax Cramer5 votes

Well before it was useless cause it offered no crit...now it is mandatory and often gets rushed as first item. Imo it should be a situational item but right now both the passive and its raw stats are too good. The item is 110% gold efficient without its passive, that is alot compared to the other AS/Crit items:

Statikk Shiv is 87% gold efficient without its passive and I think Hurricane's passive is better Rapid Firecannon is 86% gold efficient without its passive which seems fair as a single item because the passive is very powerful but when you compare it to Hurricane it is not worth it. Phantom Dancer is 99% gold efficient without its passives but it has 2 passives and imo is a better item than Hurricane. The problem is only adcs with lots of Waveclear like SIvir can afford to build PD over Runaan's.

All 4 items give 30% crit chance but PD gives 45% Attack speed, Runaans gives 40%, Shiv 35% and RFC only 30%. PD being the best dps item makes sense because it offers no waveclear (even thoug the dmg reduction passive is broken imo) but why does Runaans get more Attack Speed than the other 2? It already gives superior waveclear and the AoE dmg is super valuable in teamfights.

Imo Riot should nerf Runaan's Attack Speed to 30% so adcs actually have to think whether they want the waveclear and aoe passive instead of just buying it in general because the stats are better anyway.

Rebonack1 votes

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Well before it was useless cause it offered no crit...now it is mandatory and often gets rushed as first item. Imo it should be a situational item but right now both the passive and its raw stats are too good. The item is 110% gold efficient without its passive, that is alot compared to the other AS/Crit items:

It wasn't useless, holy shit. It wasn't optimal on most Marksmen.

I'm so tired of items not for Marksmen getting removed from the game or remade into something completely different because Marksmen don't buy them. There are other champions besides Marksmen that use basic attacks.

Jax Cramer1 votes

It was shit for any champion in the game except Kayle and Teemo.

Rebonack1 votes

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It was shit for any champion in the game except Kayle and Teemo.

It was a rush item on Kalista. And it was functional on OnHit Kog, too. As well as Jinx as a last offensive item due to overlapping rocket splash damage.

How many champions commonly use it now? Cait, Twitch, Kog, and Jinx, yeah? Doesn't sound like its use has improve much, if at all.

Jax Cramer1 votes

So it was core on Kalista and sometimes build Kayle and Teemo.

Now it is core on Jinx, Cait, Tristana, Varus, Twitch, Kog, Ashe, Kalista and Kayle aswell as being used by Teemo.

Seems its used has improved heavily. Kalista used to be the only adc who rushed it...now half of the adcs rush it.

JackMcSnipeyz3 votes

You mean turn it back to a noob trap garbage tier item like before? I remember being new and seeing this cool item, i thought it would be great, then i got laughed at and realised how shitty it was

MunchCrunchLunch5 votes

it wasn't a noob trap. it was a niche item. it actually was among the most stat efficient items in the game

JackMcSnipeyz2 votes

So in your post you say they made the item ADC only, and should be reverted to make it more versatile, but then you say it's a niche item - that was only built on teemo and kayle?

Anags1 votes

Kalista was the main user really.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

it was a niche item as it was built for interaction that few champions had. on hit. not as an adc item.

Ahristocats3 votes

it wouldn't fixe anything

Runan started to be abused because people realised that the passive combined with some passives like cait/twitch/ashe is just too good

SwaggyMcGhee4201 votes

Or just change it so the bolts don't apply on hit effects.

TheOvermind2 votes

Idc what they do with the stats, I want the 2 extra bolts gone or made into something like every 3rd hit.
That's the issue with the item.

Jax Cramer2 votes

Lol the item always had those 2 bolts yet it was shit for 4 straight seasons.

MunchCrunchLunch7 votes

it was shit because waveclearing was easy as fucking hell for 4 seasons. remember when minions didn't get stronger when your enemy was winning. I do. also baron minions were much weaker than they are now. also its because statik shivv was too good.

TheOvermind1 votes

Exactly

Jax Cramer2 votes

No the only reason was it offered no crit.

If you bought Runaans as 2nd item (in both the BT rush and later the IE rush meta) your dps was way too low to be a threat.

MunchCrunchLunch7 votes

its about the interaction with it. twitch ult and cait headshot. your sacrificing crit for the interaction. you shouldn't be getting it for free

Jax Cramer4 votes

Yes but if you remove the crit no one will buy the item again.

Big Lincoln3 votes

they will if they want those interactions

It Hertz When IP1 votes

Kalista Teemo Ashe Caitlyn Twitch Jinx

Iffy about Jinx, but her Rocket Q + Runaan's is some insane waveclear and AS is better than crit for taking towers. The rest of them ALL benefit from the passive more than the crit.

A Basic Island2 votes

i miss buying it on tryndamere just because it had 70% attack speed which was ridiculous for 1 item

ARequestOfDeath2 votes

My boi twitch is finally in the mainstream meta!

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

please no this is like my favorite item in the game and now people don't laugh when i buy it on jinx. I remember playing with it before i was lvl 30 and people would keep telling me i was wasting money. Then they changed it and it became a viable adc item, it's one of the only patches that genuinely made me happy to see. And why would you no longer build it on teemo? you still get one of the highest as items in the game and crit isn't making you do less dmg it gives you more mixed dmg. As for kayle i don't play her that much anymore but i still build it on her.

I can understand tweaking the numbers of the stats but the passive is so much fun.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

Old Runaan's was the worst item in the game.

Vallalan1 votes

I think it needs to be nerfed to RFC levels. RFC is 30% attack speed. make hurricane the same and you now have to decide between the 4.

PD is best raw stats/dueling. shiv is wave clear, rfc has a really strong passive, and hurricane's passive has obvious synergy with certain champs.

DunkinNoobs1 votes

Yes, please revert Runaans back to 70% AS for 2400 gold. Kayle Kayle Kayle

Kharn Skyshatter1 votes

Pretty sure Twitch used old Runaans as well since he wanted to spread his poison around. You forgot Kindred as well.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

exactly twitch still build it before and so did kogmaw. it was niche for that. it wasn't just the superior dps waveclear stat item for adc.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I don't agree with OP very often, but when I do, it's because he says something smart

AirKingNeo1 votes

Caitlyn since when was Cait strong?

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

prob since her multiple buffs after the rework. headshot buffs.

AirKingNeo1 votes

she's been under 52% winrate for the past 20 patches.

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

she isn't exactly easy to play

AirKingNeo1 votes

Yes she is. High attack range, easily to play, W spam isn't hard, and her only difficultly is 2 skillshots.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

its not that. when you learn how to triple headshot you can one shot other squishies bot lane before level 6. its insane.

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