Look, I know us support mains make up a disproportionately low number of players but...
I really think people need to be talking about this change on the PBE, because this does in fact influence the rest of the League population.
Quick explanation of change
Sightstone and all of its upgrades will be removed from the store.Support items will gain Sightstone’s active as their quest reward.Support Tier 3 items now build out of Tier 2 and a Ruby Crystal, and give you the same stats as their respective line’s “Eye of the __” upgraded Sightstone on live.For more context, read below. I’ll go through the goals and reasons behind these changes, and then give the complete changelist.NOTE: Current names and icons for Tier 3 are temporary. We’ll have new names and icons for all three lines for Tier 2 after quest completion, and Tier 3 both pre and post quest completion.Goals of Change
The main drive behind these changes is that we want supports to be more free to pursue their own build paths. Without a mandatory 800 gold purchase in the early game, Supports will be able to make more choices and have more agency over how their power is expressed. We will try to keep Sightstone timings and general support economy to be close to their live values.One thing we’ve learned from Ardent Censer over the summer is that Support players greatly appreciated the ability to rush impactful items - they were able to feel like a bigger participant in the game. We’ve also learned that the game still functions well without a Sightstone rush - in other words, the game doesn’t break down from a lack of early vision.We would still like Sightstone times to be a reflection of the support player’s skill, so we are putting it on the quest reward rather than just giving it out at a specific game time. We found that for most players, the existing quest rewards were very low satisfaction relative to their power level. We hope that gaining this active is a much more noticeable and satisfying reward.Unfortunately, having an active as the quest reward requires us to remove the active branches of the item chains - Frost Queen’s Claim, Face of the Mountain, and Talisman of Ascension. Some of the actives provided important options, and so we’ll be looking at ways to bring Frost Queen’s Claim and Talisman of Ascension back in modified forms. Face of the Mountain’s active will likely not return in the immediate future.More Detailed Changelist:
Sightstone and Ruby Sightstone have been removed from the store.
The quest reward from all three gold income item lines is changed to grant Sightstone’s active.You will still be required to upgrade to Tier 2 to finish your quest.Quest reward thresholds are reduced to 500 gold.Your Tier 3 item will build out of your Tier 2 item and a Ruby Crystal, and will give you the same stats as an upgraded Sightstone on live. There is no longer a branching path to Tier 3 - the active variants of the items have been removed.Upon quest completion, your Tier 2 item will have a maximum of 3 wards between trips to the store. Upgrading to Tier 3 will give you a maximum of 4 wards stored.Timing and Future Work
We expect these changes will go out in 8.2, but they might be delayed a patch or two if we hit bugs or snags with implementation..We’re still going to be ironing out some details - whether you have to return to the store to stock up on your first ward charges, around what time do we want the rewards to activate, whether this makes Spellthief’s line too risky (as you can get locked out of income generation if laning phase ends early), things like that. We will also be closely monitoring poaching by other laners and junglers.
This is a seriously huge change to the entire game.
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Supports will now be able to buy an item in the lanning phase that can give them a powerspike in terms of their effectiveness.
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The items a support builds will no longer need to be so focused on teamwide utility since they can potentially buy one before they group with the rest of the team.
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The could potentially cause ADC's to build Relic Shield even more, at least in pro play, since it will now give vision.
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Early vision will go down even more, leading to an increase in jungler power in the early game.
These and much more possibilities are in our future with this change, people need to start talking about this.
"but bot lane is already deciding the game..."
"buff supports it's an order"
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in the botlane somewhat simpler, for he gets away with relic shield starts. If they time the gold quest properly, then they will make it even harder for a behind support to get their vision out there for the world. Perhaps instead of the quests giving the warding active, the quest upgrades it. For instance
will grant a single charge of warding, and at 400 gold it gives 2 ward charges once in tier 2 of course. Then, the 600 gold gives three, and 800 gold and tier three give you four.
The exact numbers could be worked out, but I think that it would make late game even more powerful for supports and perhaps even help along a meta shifting.
and the other junglers that synergism with
? They will still have early access to wards while the rest won't
for extra damage. Usually you want
anyway so trackers don't to much good to you.
and the quest reward from
if that change goes live... q.q
can just buy forbidden Idol and just sustain you through lane. And you sound like you think supports should not make plays at all. If supports did not deal damage, then health bars would have to be nerfed on champs in the botlane, or adc would need more dmg. Both of which would contribute more to the snowball meta than 800 gold on a support.