Let me introduce you to an item

SpecterVonBaren··160 votes·7,288 views

You see this?

item 3302

This item is called Relic Shield. It is an early game item usually bought by tanky supports to give them health, a heal for their carry AND gold for last hitting minions. It's exact effects are....

Unique – Spoils of War: Melee autoattacks execute minions below 200 - 285 (based on level) health. Killing a minion by any means heals you and the nearest allied champion for 20 health and grants them kill gold. These effects require an allied champion within 1050 units of the user and consume a charge. Recharges every 40 seconds. Max 2 charges.

This means not only do YOU, the carry get gold, but so does the support! AND you get a nifty heal on top of it too! It can even be upgraded into item 3097 which can build into item 3401 or item 2303 ! So not only do they get to keep giving your team more net gold but they also get to have a nice tank item that goes with their build.

But but but but but! Here's the important thing about these items. That person WITH the Relic Shield? They need to last hit the minion in order to get the gold and heal but the item has that nifty passive to execute minions so it should be easy for their ADC or mid lane mage or jungler or top laner to just bring a wave down low enough that they can walk up and last hit the minions.

But unfortunately our community is full of selfish people, very VERY selfish people that have no consideration for everyone else on their team. They don't care if the support is walking up to a wave with full stacks, they'll use every single ability to blast down the wave as fast as possible, even if they aren't shoving and have nothing else to do while waiting for people to group, they will STILL nuke waves even when the support is literally standing in the minion wave about to hit a minion.

I propose that we do one of two things to remedy this problem. Either make Face of the Mountain automatically proc the passive if an ally last hits a minion near them or make it so a gigantic neon sign floats over someone with Relic Shield or its upgrades that says, "LET ME FREAKING LAST HIT YOU ASSHOLES!"

149 Comments

Void Nargacuga128 votes

I'll take the giant neon sign.

SpecterVonBaren34 votes

That would be my preferred option too.

Void Nargacuga21 votes

Totally agree. I mean come on who doesn't want a giant neon sign?!

manbearswine6 votes

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Totally agree. I mean come on who doesn't want a giant neon sign?!

Thresh? A neon sign won't be enough for him. I vote for option two.

Aptest11 votes

would pay RP for a skin for my mastery emote that has that sign.

Void Nargacuga3 votes

Very tempting, but I'd rather get it with IP if I could.

Aptest5 votes

I am sure a lot of ADC players will also want that sign.

Also: Stop KSing you noob. That should sell nicely with ADCs.

Void Nargacuga3 votes

Hence why they don't get such an awesome sign. To salty for even the slightest mistake.

manbearswine1 votes

Won't that give you an unfair advantage though?

Aptest8 votes

probably not. Other team's ADC gets to see sign and shapes up also. We get to educate 2 entitled jerks with a single investment.

aLawfulFalafel2 votes

Alt + click item 3302 = Neon TARGON sign above champs head

Riven Main27 votes

When you try to save your team mate from ignite, but he flash's away and doesn't get the heal :'3

ZT Xperimentor11 votes

Alistar Bard Braum Nami Sona TahmKench Zilean Whenever scrimmages happen and they dash or flash away when you could've saved them. [zombie-brand-clap]

9001Teemos9 votes

You forgot Janna Soraka Karma Taric

IForgot2buyBoots17 votes

Don't forget the OTHER effect of relic shield. That little smidgeon of healing it gives. It adds up, that small bit of healing on both the support and the ADC. By being greedy or not paying attention, the ADC is nerfing their own laning phase. Even without a healing support, this item permits a better trade between you and them. News flash: If both supports have this item, and the other ADC is cognizent of the shield while you aren't, you're giving the other team an advantage.

Odinakos3 votes

I always feel that starting relic shield for melee on ARAM, provides much sustain. Too bad noone listens :S

1wolfpack15 votes

thats the most annoying thing about this item, no one lets you last hit cause your support and their not.

GayFluffyUnicorn4 votes

Maybe if, especially the thresh supports, wouldn't miss all the time adcs would gladly let them take the procc.

Only Play Darius14 votes

Also let the support take the cannon minions

notice me Sin pi13 votes

it's pretty annoying tho when Thresh fails the last hit tho im supp main, adc secondary

balbraaksel2 votes

Why is it so hard to last hit with him anyway? It should execute under a certain amount of health but it doesn't which's weird.

Stalinium7 votes

:'( I've been playing ADC a lot more recently and these threads always make me feel like a dirtbag just for choosing the role haha. I always check which item my support started with (so I can work with it effectively), take the blame for deaths on my part, build the mysterious item 3123, compliment them for good plays, and tell them that if I'm not in lane they should take CS because someone getting the gold is far better than no one (not to mention it's just so much more pleasant to have gold...)

Any other tips I should hear to be an ADC you would actually enjoy playing with :)?

R FLASH XD6 votes

I just take item 3301 cause I'm a lazy fuck and cause they won't let me use the passive of item 3302 anyways

UrPalAl4 votes

Whenever I have someone on my team who's doing that, and we're winning substantially, I'll occasionally "miss" my FotM active, and maybe peel off the wrong person ya know. Then when they say "Why didn't you peel for me?" I say "Why didn't you give me my relic stacks baby?"

Sneakos4 votes

You see this?

Thresh

This is Thresh. He told me he was going to use his relic shield on the canon minion, so we could maximize our gold.

He didn't get the minion.

None of us got the gold.

This is why I have trust issues

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

Thresh is a specific case that doesn't go well with it because of him being ranged, most champs that use the item ARE melee.

Sneakos3 votes

I think you guys missed the joke lol

Kaioko4 votes

I give my supports a chance to use it but when I see them fail to get the canon minion especially when it's Tresh I'm not going to risk it again. You had your chance, nobody was even harassing you and you failed, I'm going to get my farm now. Thanks and bye.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

And when you get tower dived and failed to survive, guess the thresh won't bother to save you next time since you're incapable of it already. That's what you're saying, and why games take so long to que up, nobody wants to play support because of people like you.

cornpirde1 votes

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And when you get tower dived and failed to survive, guess the thresh won't bother to save you next time since you're incapable of it already. That's what you're saying, and why games take so long to que up, nobody wants to play support because of people like you.

Pretty much this, last hitting on thresh can be a pain even when you max E because it takes like 3 hits to kill a minion, while everyone 2 or 1 shots the minions.

cornpirde2 votes

{quoted}

Pretty much this, last hitting on thresh can be a pain even when you max E because it takes like 3 hits to kill a minion, while everyone 2 or 1 shots the minions.

to execute the cannon minion their health has to be below like 30%ish to get the proc and not get traded to hell

General Esdeath 3 votes

Draven What the hell does it do? And why would I want it? Draven don't need no shield.

Ezreal A new item? Sounds dangerous. I'm in!

Sivir How much is it worth? Is it an old treasure?

Vayne What does this item do exactly? Someone needs to find out.

Caitlyn I'm on the case.

Kalista Vengeance

Mishli3 votes

should be retitled to "public service announcement for people who like free money and health" and the automatic thing shouldn't happen, but i am 100% for a giant neon sign to pop up over your head if you ping on the item

Fowus3 votes

double relic shield top

Baron Perenolde3 votes

Selfish teams are why I stopped playing tank supports as often as I used to. If I go tanky, I have to pick Trundle so I can "steal" tributes with my Q auto reset. I would forgive people jacking my gold if this was still a new item but it's not; it's 3 years old!!

Weasel Kensei3 votes

I agree with you OP. You have said a thing many supports feel.

Problem is that its not just selfishness, its also stupidity.

Youre asking stupid people to not be stupid... cant be done.

I get all the downvotes when I say this but here it is:

League is filled with a lot of younger people, and typically the younger the player, the less forethought they possess and the more self absorbed they are. These two factors congregate to create a behavior people usually call "childish," which is appropriate because it is probably the behavior of an adolescent League player.

So here it is, lots of kiddies playing the game, and I just said they cant think ahead and act like brats, roll in the downvotes bitches, you know Im talking about your childish ass. Which is indicative in itself. They identify as "a kid" and get that theyre being looked down upon, and petulantly downvote... which just makes my statement more true of their behavior.

I hope your message gets through OP, I really do. Iv been frustrated by the very same behavior. Even having to stop and tell my ADC to stop taking the cannon minions cause Im trying to last hit them cause theyre worth the most gold. Rarely does it help, cause the kiddies are so self absorbed they cant think how NOT last hitting them will help them because it involves another person.

Nice PSA btw, heres my upvote :)

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

i dont come across the issue the OP has... i am a support main but i also dont go past item 3097 and typically sale it after laning phase for a 'tank item" or if my support can benefit from item 3069 ill swap item 3097 to item 3069 after laning phase and i get gold and hp for every minion they last hit and forever have gold. however im an old school support where you ran gold per 10 runes and i still do that on my two support rune pages so even with out a item 3302 item 3301 item 3303 i still get either +3 gold per sec or +2 gold per sec depending on what support rune page i took.

SpecterVonBaren6 votes

I used to buy Eye of the Equinox because if no one was gonna let me get gold then I'd at least save myself an item slot but I've found the shield just too useful to give up.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

{quoted}

I used to buy Eye of the Equinox because if no one was gonna let me get gold then I'd at least save myself an item slot but I've found the shield just too useful to give up.

shield from item 3401 ?

SpecterVonBaren2 votes

Yes.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

{quoted}

Yes.

ahh well that is just down to preference i find that item 3069 with the active for aoe speed boost is good engage or disengage the armor is nice bonus and the regen stats are incredible plus the passive +6 gold when ever an ally kills a creep and +10hp so mid game where people are stupid and dont let you proc the execute on item 3401 you lose on gold income where as item 3069 you never do and it also has cdr

crippler382 votes

face also has cdr so suq it

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes

{quoted}

face also has cdr so suq it

and to tell me to suq it cuz i stated if you read my statement that its a preference , " ahh well that is just down to preference " so to start juvenile insults into a discussion just shows the level of toxicity of the community as awhole. i never told any one was wrong for wanting item 3401 i was making statements of why one might prefer item 3069 outside laning phase

Ackelope2 votes

I've been scarred by too many Thresh supports making me miss cannon minions because they can't last hit, so I admit I sometimes take the minions when I should just let the support get them :/

Meanie406 votes

Thresh is tricky because he's actually ranged, so he doesn't get the execute portion of the passive.

And we all know supports play support because they can't last hit worth shit. :)

WyvernEgg1 votes

When I'm trying to quickly shove lane and I have a slow ass thresh auto attacking a minion. Yeah there are more important things happening than the support getting 4-5 cs

I'm not gonna give up the chance to get 2 towers just so my support can have a little more cs. If you want the cs so bad just time it right. its not THAT hard.

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

This has nothing to do with Thresh, it's understandable to not let him have the chance to use it after lanning phase.

VvVVvV1 votes

Lets be honest tho....that heal from relic shield is absolute bullshit....so damn weak. All the gold support items are if u think about it....I main support and i hate havign to get them but some gold is better than none but the heal from that shield is trash.

But about the last part...i laughed so hard reading that......its true.....i once was mid trying to hit a minion to heal someone that was ignited.......i went to 3 different minions to hit it and someone else killed them....the person ended up dieing lol.......but as weak as the heal is they might of still died but still there was a chance.

SpecterVonBaren6 votes

The heal might not seem like much on paper but that health adds up over time in lanning phase and if you use all four charges of FotM then that's 200 health which is just 40 points less than the base value of a max rank Janna shield.

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