Janna has a 55% win rate/23% play rate in Diamond elo

chipndip1·Jul 23, 2017·9 votes·1,026 views

Literally the highest win rate in solo queue, period. Odds of you losing when she's on the enemy team is statistically higher than any champ you could possibly have issue with, on top of having a higher chance to be picked than most champs (admittedly more in higher elos than lower elos, but her global win rate is just as high as her Diamond win rate).

Is ANYONE gonna ask for answers on this freelo? Is a 55% win rate and a 23% pick rate in high elo balanced in any way at all? Find out when people brush me off as some paranoid complainer right aboooouuuuuu-

36 Comments

Big LincolnJul 23, 20178 votes

big shock that as soon as i open the threads there are already excuses for her LUL

supports can't be OP, chip, unless their name rhymes with fresh

archerno1Jul 23, 20173 votes

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big shock that as soon as i open the threads there are already excuses for her LUL

supports can't be OP, chip, unless their name rhymes with fresh

Ok so whats OP about her?

PennsJul 23, 20171 votes

her win rate hehe xd

chipndip1Jul 23, 20172 votes

Does someone have to list out her entire kit every damn time a point has to be made about this woman? How many times do I have to entertain that childish shit? You know what she does.

archerno1Jul 23, 20172 votes

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Does someone have to list out her entire kit every damn time a point has to be made about this woman? How many times do I have to entertain that childish shit? You know what she does.

See, you dont even know whats op about her. U would just list her abilities and expect you to prove a point.

-Her passive just increases move speed of people behind her. Not too special -Her Q is slow tornado with low damage and short knockup -Her W is single target slow with mediocre damage -Her E is mediocre shield that give mediocre amount of AD -Her ulti is good disengage tool with average heal and risky pushback

I dont see anything in her kit being OP. Her winrate is high because she naturally counters 1shotters and with Duskblade they are very popular now.

chipndip1Jul 23, 20171 votes

Read my replies to others in this thread. I'm not gonna go through the childish game of listing out champ kit attributes for the 50th time because someone's gotta act brand new to LoL.

chipndip1Jul 23, 20173 votes

It's actually predictable.

Someone actually said "Bans exist", yet LOOK AT ALL THESE CHO'GATH TEARS!!!!!

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

I'm also already downvoted twice.

HaIlMonitorJul 23, 20171 votes

Lul. I honestly dont think her, Nami, or Raka are op right now which are the ones I see played the most. But its how crazy strong other roles are. ADC's do so much damage they dont need the lulu, zyra, brand style supports to win lane anymore.

archerno1Jul 23, 20172 votes

And have u considered why that is? She is literally only counter to Lethality. She can deny oneshots.

chipndip1Jul 23, 20172 votes

She's ALWAYS strong.
No, solo lane tanks are the ultimate counter to lethality, not Janna.
Janna's kit is just inherently toxic for solo queue. It's "perfect for the meta" in basically ANY meta. Adc "meta"? "Janna gives them AD! :D". Tank "meta"? "Janna keeps them alive and unkillable! :D". Assassin "meta"? "Janna peels assassins, DUH! :D". Buncha divers in your face? "They're just glorified assassins! Same shit! :D". Jugs? "PEEL! PEEL! PEEL! :D". The only "meta" I think she legitimately wouldn't appreciate is one infested with mages.When are we gonna admit that Janna's kit is just blatantly broken by the books? She does too many things a support should do at one time from a safe distance with simple application. As long as someone else does the killing for her, she has one VERY EASY job, and her constantly high win rates and play rates only speak on behalf of that.

Big LincolnJul 23, 20173 votes

lul janna "she's just strong in this meta"

when it was assassin meta when it was bruiser meta the brief time it was a jugg meta in season 5 when it was ADC meta

:thinking:

chipndip1Jul 23, 20172 votes

https://media.giphy.com/media/AHYXoLQn2n8bK/giphy.gif

Mysticman89Jul 23, 20172 votes

Well when people are running around trying to one shot people with lethality, her shields/peeling are going to be particularly desirable.

She's always been strong of course, but it makes sense in the current meta in particular.

chipndip1Jul 23, 20171 votes

You realize the other half of this meta isn't lethality...

...it's tanks...the primary counter to lethality as-is in the first place. Not sure why Janna is performing as well as the tanks are out of nowhere.

Mysticman89Jul 23, 20171 votes

Yeah, shield for the lethality, peel for the generally slow moving melee tanks. She's got both halves covered, compared to various other supports which are either squishy mages who lose to both halves, or tanks themselves.

RaoulJul 23, 20172 votes

http://i.imgur.com/1tBpbdx.jpg

RaoulJul 23, 20172 votes

Honestly, whats with your hate against Janna? Did your mom caught your dad with her or what?

chipndip1Jul 23, 20172 votes

It's that she can low-key exist as the ultimate freelo in the game and no one bats an eye.

Meanwhile a melee carry taps 51% win rate and the whole boards is ready to catch on fire.

Think of me as the guy with his eye on the things most people wouldn't realize are a problem...like Ancient Coin letting me cash out harder than solo laners.

RaoulJul 23, 20171 votes

Well, then go ahead, I already tried to reason with you before, I learned that it has no use...

chipndip1Jul 23, 20171 votes

What REASON do you use? You're denying math of all things. Statistical evidence on a large sample size. You don't use reason. You use your biased pov based on what killed you, not what's causing you to lose entire games. If you had ACTUAL logic to reason with, this thread wouldn't exist. Janna'd still be op, but if you used logic and reasoning, we'd just agree she's ridiculous and she'd be dealt with by Riot later.

RaoulJul 23, 20171 votes

Ok, even though i doubt you will even give a damn and just answer with another version "but muh Winrate" again, here is a short version:

ADCs win games. Supports who can help ADCs to win games win more than for example initiating Supports. The best 3 Supports right now are:

Janna 55%
Soraka 53.7%
Sona 53%

All of them are literally walking buffs for the ADC who can proc item 3504 all the time.

When one of those is against a support like Rakan, Bard or Leona, the ADC with the ADC supporting Support will win botlane more often than not.

Janna is THE easiest Support to play, so she is picked alot.

Janna plays against more non ADC buff focused Supports than anyone else because of this. So her ADC wins more bot lane matchups.

ADC who wins bot lane matchup snowballs and becomes OP before the enemy ADC does.

Team which ADC reaches the OP stage first wins, because right now, there is little to npo counterplay to a full build ADC.

chipndip1Jul 23, 20172 votes

Except the part where everyone's complaining about it being a "lethality" meta, with champs like Jayce, J4, and Talon set up to kill carries?

Except for the fact that it's seemingly ALWAYS Janna's meta?

If Janna wasn't just blatantly broken by design, she shouldn't ALWAYS be a top tier support, especially when she's been nothing but nerfed time and time again. Yet she always is, and people rehash the same reasoning as to why. It's not even in the realm of supports. In solo queue, Janna's a top tier champion, not just a top tier support...yet you're telling ME that I'M the one rehashing bad points when I'm the one using hard evidence to back up my claims against yours? You're a silly type of person.

Even I'LL agree that you don't just spit out win rates with no context to make a statement. However, I didn't do that. She has a massive high elo play rate ON TOP OF THE HIGHEST HIGH ELO WIN RATE IN THE GAME. We nerf champs for half that type of nonsense, yet here we are denying we have a problem here. Absolutely silly.

RaoulJul 23, 20171 votes

Point is, all these lethality guys need to be in Melee range for their stuff to work. Whats does Janna do? Jep, her Ultimate blows them away. GIves the ADC those precious seconds he needs to just delete whatever could be a threat to him.

And yes, I agree she has ALWAYS been that way and always did the same. But at the same time, what I said about ADCs holds true since season 1. Protect the ADC and you win the game.

And as long as Janna can do that better thanh anyone else in the whole game, she will remain a top tier champion. Her role, the unique power of Janna is also to power up the ADC even more with extra AD. But if she wouldnt be able to do that, what reason would there be to play her? When she cant hyperbuff an ADC any more, she literally loses everything.

So tell me, other than deleting her, what do you think can change to make a character, whos winrate is purely based on the fact that she is like a walking buff for the one strongest role in the whole game, weaker without destroying said character?

Let her have her ability to hyper charge an ADC and her winrate will ALWAYS be top rate. Take it away from her and see her at the lowest possible winrate.

JQKAndreiJul 23, 20172 votes

Bans exist.

chipndip1Jul 23, 20171 votes

Let's not nerf Cho'Gath on this logic.

MetallmeisterJul 23, 20172 votes

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chipndip1Jul 23, 20171 votes

She's a fuck you/enabler to almost every class in this game. She's also simple to use with good output for her practically nullified risk factor. Janna is ALWAYS on the high ends of the stats sheets. Why does no one care!?

Compare her to Sona, for example.

Sona has to get up closer to do anything of value at all in comparison to Janna.
Sona is slower than Janna unless she's constantly pumping out E in the late game.
Sona has less hard peel than Janna.
Sona has more taxing mana costs than Janna.

Compare Janna to other enchanters, and it's the same in different ways. Janna has the whole support game on easy mode with extremely effective tools given her main game plan, but very safe and simple application for each one. What the hell gives? At least Sona, who's also brain dead in application, has risk shoved right into her core design. I think Sona's design could be improved, but it's not this easy on top of being this simple, at least.

NachingJul 23, 20171 votes

I can say a lot of serious things but seeing the situation better i will go with:

You must be trolling us

chipndip1Jul 23, 20171 votes

So what's more op:

A champ with a 55% win rate and a 23% play rate in high elo, or a champ with a 55% win rate and half the play rate?

OBVIOUSLY the latter because it happens to be Cho'Gath (in your mind, anyway), but if I was worried about winning, based on statistics, why on Earth would I allow Janna through? Math, science, and other things smart people use dictate that there's no reason Janna shouldn't be considered freelo. She's the most freelo champ in this game, bar none...LITERALLY

crzymdscntstJul 23, 20171 votes

Honestly, I'd like to say the only thing super-powerful is her shield's AD steroid: AD bonus: 10 / 17.5 / 25 / 32.5 / 40 (+ 10% AP)

It's not innately powerful on it's own, but it does fuel that Marksman power-picks thing. Where a marksman can utilize that AD steroid and amplify it via AS and crits... then you pile on the potential items like Ardent Censer. (specifically on-hit dps/heal, bonus shield, AS booster) It has a habit of being more powerful the more items your team has. The longer the game goes, the more snowballed it gets. The win likelihood of a team that already has an advantage goes up.

Dominick DestineJul 23, 20171 votes

Janna is the most nerfed champ in the game.

Do we really want to gut her yet again in S7? AGAIN? literally every single one of her skills , including her passive, have been supremely gutted. S1 Janna would be so unbelievably superior to modern supports that she'd be permabanned. If Riot ever decides to gut her again, just rework her.

chipndip1Jul 23, 20171 votes

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If Riot ever decides to gut her again, just rework her.

https://media.giphy.com/media/mBjx3ASeeKjqU/giphy.gif

Some Noob DudeJul 23, 20171 votes

The thing is, she's strong in soloqueue because one of her main strengths is to save her allies from their mistakes, and thee are a lot of those in soloqueue.

MortekaiserJul 23, 20171 votes

yeah she's legit stupid but nobody wants to ban her. its like who WANTS to have to ban a support, you know?

FrightningJul 23, 20171 votes

She's always going to be strong when a meta revolves around powerful ADCs and being able to kill them. She shuts down the latter better than anyone else, and is almost brain-dead easy to play effectively (even if there is considerable subtlety to playing her to potential). She also doesn't get complaints nearly as much as [insert flame inducing champion here] because she saves teammates rather than kills enemies (people hate dying to a good enemy play more than they hate getting a kill denied from them by a good enemy play).