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Duskblade is just a seriously unhealthy item and needs to be removed.

Call Me Nana··50 votes·4,374 views

Why are you letting every single ad user become stronger burst than any mage, this is just such a poor design.

Duskblade of Draktharr Stats +55 attack damage +10% cooldown reduction

Passive UNIQUE: +18 Lethality (11.2 - 18 (based on level) armor penetration)

UNIQUE – NIGHTSTALKER: After being unseen for at least 1 second, your next basic attack against an enemy champion will have enhanced effects. Melee role Melee champions will deal 65 - 320 (based on level) bonus on-hit physical damage and Slow icon slows by 99% for 0.25 seconds. While Ranged role ranged champions will only deal 45 - 300 (based on level) bonus on-hit physical damage and not apply the slow. The enhanced attack lasts 5 seconds after being seen by an enemy champion.

UNIQUE – BLACKOUT: When spotted by an enemy ward, causes a blackout for 8 seconds, disabling all nearby enemy wards (90 second cooldown).

There's SOOOO much counterplay to an RNG crit + duskblade shot. Plz tell me how item 3157 is gonna save me. Not to mention this stupid shit is better than a fucking Red trinket.

59 Comments

DaNinad16 votes

This item just shows how bad assassins are. Literally all AD assassins need to rush this or else they are completely useless for the whole game.

AmazoX1 votes

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This item just shows how bad assassins are. Literally all AD assassins need to rush this or else they are completely useless for the whole game.

Well, Blame the Assassin Rework for that.

0 Hogapu1 votes

at least they have a build path that makes them more than fine, while ap assassin don't

Biscuit Bite2 votes

Yea, ap assassin doesnt even need to have a build path, they can kill with no problem, no matter what AP item they get.

Oh, and on those ap assassins, they can even build duskblade and work. That's funny.

DragonShea1 votes

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This item just shows how bad assassins are. Literally all AD assassins need to rush this or else they are completely useless for the whole game.

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DaNinad1 votes

you listed the only 3 support items

Biscuit Bite13 votes

Dude, Duskblade is good, it does what it was designed for, did you see how duskblade was at first? Be glad it's like this now. Plus, the only adc's that can actually benefit from that item are mostly those that are ability based rather than crit/attack speed based and they still can't one shot you, yes, they can kill you if you're low hp with one shot, but the question is why are you placing yourself in that situation in the first place?

dominusx3 votes

1k dmg from an invisible twitch is low hp i guess.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

Twitch don't buld duskblade

dominusx2 votes

cause he oneshots you regardless lul.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

yeah (closer of trishot... but yeah still waiting for his nerfs)

ahferroin71 votes

He doesn't build it because he doesn't need it, but it is a good item on him ignoring that fact.

ggigotfed1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Biscuit Bite,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jVyxttsE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-13T23:10:16.592+0000)

Dude, Duskblade is good, it does what it was designed for, did you see how duskblade was at first? Be glad it's like this now. Plus, the only adc's that can actually benefit from that item are mostly those that are ability based rather than crit/attack speed based and they still can't one shot you, yes, they can kill you if you're low hp with one shot, but the question is why are you placing yourself in that situation in the first place?

What happens when tanks take it? They become assassins with no risk whatsoever. Like jarvan....and anyone else who decides they want to delete you in the blink of an eye.

Somebody Love Me10 votes

Honestly, I wouldn't mind the damage. I just hate the fucking sweeper passive and how cheap it is for all it gives. To get back into a game when behind, you ward up and hope for picks, but how are you supposed to do that with a support sweeper AND 1-2 duskblade users constantly clearing out your vision.

Why do AD champs get a sweeper item, on top of the actual red trinket?

Why do they get to buy an item that has lich bane passive and a melee gunblade active tied together, for such a cheap price?

AP assassins haven't gotten anything, and the two that could build hybrid Akali and pre reworkEvelynn tend to often build it because AP items just aren't enough. Hell, AD Eve was her best build before her rework.

I at least wish that AP assassins were given SOMETHING, but as long as Fizz Ekko and Leblanc exist, AP assassins can't have nice things, since Syndra Veigar and Ahri will abuse anything they're given.

Blåbæret4 votes

{quoted} Hell, AD Eve was her best build before her rework.

Heck no. Maybe in bronze 5.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku3 votes

u were downvoted... but u are right XD

I recall looking at lolalytics and her best build was AP (obviously).

Nahui9 votes

Sure, just give us assassins an item that provides real survivability in team fight scenarios or increase our damage with a real item. Until then, be happy with your ardent supports and loads of CC tanky champs for this meta.

Blåbæret9 votes

Assassins aren't supposed to be great team fighters. Working as intended.

Jet Sett6 votes

They're supposed to do lots of damage.

Duskblade is also working as intended.

Zëd Lęppelin4 votes

SHHHH. Don't let people hear logic. This is the boards. Speaking facts is an act of aggression.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Yeah, and duskblade is still op... cause bot lane are even more op, and assassins can't even assassinate anymore.

TWITCHTV ERONATE1 votes

and where did you get that fact from? They shouldn't be able to kill everyone in a teamfight, but if they can't kill anyone (even the squishiest member of their team) then why are they assassins? Assassins aren't supposed to beat bruisers, aren't supposed to beat tanks, aren't supposed to kill adcs, aren't supposed to be great teamfighters. then what do they do lol? split all game? i'd rather pick jax or trynd if i wanted to split than an assassin

Blåbæret1 votes

Team fighting/stacking is the counterplay to assassins. 1v1 they have little to no counterplay for a squishy. Either you are too blind to see this or you're a biased assassin main (most like the latter).

TWITCHTV ERONATE1 votes

no counterplay yeah that was before the assassin rework

call me biased or shit, but assassins got way more counterplay than adc do.

and of course i play assassins wtf how would i know they're not in the best spot without playing them

Nahui1 votes

They're not supposed to be great team fighters, like Orianna or Maokai, but they're not supposed to be shit either. Duskblade allows them to have a chance to maybe, if they're lucky, punch through over half of an ADCs health bar before it's fully healed in seconds by a shield or heal while the assassin is CC'd and killed.

I wonder why we never see assassins too much in pro play. Odd, right?

Blåbæret1 votes

This is a problem for everyone though. Not even a burst mage can get through the shield stacking. ADCs are broken beyond belief, but that is no excuse to break yet another class by overbuffing.

Shablagoo5 votes

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Nut on my Butt2 votes

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What about ap assassins?

HaIlMonitor1 votes

AP assassins have a huge problem of sharing items with mages, similar to how Assassin items get nerfed because of ADC. Unless they start to separate items they probably wont add a true item like AP duskblade.

StairCasexd1 votes

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AP assassins have a huge problem of sharing items with mages, similar to how Assassin items get nerfed because of ADC. Unless they start to separate items they probably wont add a true item like AP duskblade.

Do ap assasins even have an item made specifically for them? Gunblade doesn't count. All of them are mage items now that I think about it.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Lich bane is extremely common on AP assassins, but it's a very rare purchase on mages.

Shablagoo2 votes

What about them? Katarina for abit was stomping, her design is fine now personally, fizz has been turned into a ult bot, without it he is useless, akali literally isnt even fking ok anymore like sustain monster that literally makes no sense, dont even get me started on lb fking mess. Nothing about the assassin update was ok, literally Katarina is ok becasue now she requires skill but thats it. Ppl say Talon is better but he isnt, he literally can only be op or useless, DB made him useful or op now but before he was so weak, except for his lvl 2 cheese and if he didnt get that he wasnt even good. It isnt the items it is the update in general that ruined all assassins.

Taliyah Rocks3 votes

I don't think the problem stems from Duskblade, but from poor AP itemization. To counter AD assassin burst, you're mostly forced into rushing a item 3157 while the enemy can just rush his Duskblade. Zhonya offers very little in comparison and is only ever bought as a counter to burst damage.

Both items are the same price, but one offers stronger burst, more damage and more effective roaming, while the other give little AP, negligible CDR, and anti-burst on a very long CD. It easy to see which of the two will have more impact over the game.

Kaeblen3 votes

I really wish I could get something like Duskblade on a Support.

That Wardfinding ability is godly.

literally all you have to do is walk around, and be willing to kill the wards you come across. Supports have to actually work really hard knowing when and where those wards will be before they scan for anything. Assassins get it on an item they all wanted anyways.

######As a counterpoint. it makes having the Zombie Ward rune in the damage tier make more sense. It seems hilarious, but beautifully so, that some random Talon, Eve, or Kayn would leave behind a string of zombie wards wherever they go.

Packun Flower2 votes

on the topic of duskblade. is it still good on the new eve? or is it not worth getting with her new kit now?

DorkunedAuras3 votes

New Eve has no AD ratios. Build AP

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

If u want a similare (or even greater at some point) u can go item 3146

AmazoX2 votes

Duskblade is perfectly fine as long as League of Ardent Censor/Support + brain dead ADC is considered fine. If duskblade is nerfed, Every assassin's win rate will drop to SHIT because there will be no way to penetrate through all the heals/shields/cc & the ADC will kill an assassin in two seconds. [sg-miss-fortune]

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

I agree... Even with draktharr its hard to kill adc in league of shield btw

Sukishoo2 votes

Duskblades issue was never

"Passive UNIQUE: +18 Lethality (11.2 - 18 (based on level) armor penetration)"

The issue is UNIQUE – NIGHTSTALKER that's where it's real power comes from.

SweedishGunner1 votes

The Nightstalker part of Duskblade is the issue. It can easily be reapplied and has huge values. If the extra damage is to be kept it'd be better requiring more time unseen or having a cooldown.

Somebody Love Me1 votes

Or less time after being seen to proc it. That shit is so forgiving

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

Disagree, this is probably the first ever truly Assassin item. It's much weaker on ADC's, less damage, no slow. If an ADC is building it they are simply gimping their DPS.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

Why are you letting every single ad user become stronger burst than any mage, this is just such a poor design.

yes, cuz Talon Zed Khazix Shaco shouldn't be allowed to burst right?

it pretty much the item 3087 item 3285 for assassins.

If you got blown up by twitch using it he's most likely building assassin which is alot of fun but alot weaker than the standard build.

And if you really want an answer to that last question, Ranged AA's have a projectile speed so if you know they have it, and you see it coming, you can just item 3157 . and if talon's in your face you might aswell just pop it cuz he's gonna hurt either way.

Sukishoo1 votes

Some assassins (i.e. Shaco ) build item 3087 item 3285 ...

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

most assassins who build item 3285 don't build item 3147 though. Burst mages and AP assassins will always share items because they basicly do the same shit. but This was about AD assassins bursting ppl cuz of duskblade.

Shaco is the only one i can think of who builds item 3087 tho. And he's a special case cuz he's pretty good with attack speed.

Call Me Nana1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jVyxttsE,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2017-10-14T18:49:03.203+0000)

yes, cuz Talon Zed Khazix Shaco shouldn't be allowed to burst right?

it pretty much the item 3087 item 3285 for assassins.

If you got blown up by twitch using it he's most likely building assassin which is alot of fun but alot weaker than the standard build.

And if you really want an answer to that last question, Ranged AA's have a projectile speed so if you know they have it, and you see it coming, you can just item 3157 . and if talon's in your face you might aswell just pop it cuz he's gonna hurt either way.

you realize that item 3285 has literally 1/2000 of the passive damage that duskblade does right.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

the concept is still the same though. I never said it was as strong.

ApexInTheCircle1 votes

The passive damage on it needs to be for melee champs only or halved for range.

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