Thornmail should be Anti Crit item

SlashStriker··4 votes·824 views

Thornmail 100 armor unique: reflects 30% phys damage to enemies that attack you as magic damage excluding onhit effects unique: 15% critical damage reduction from attackers unique: Applies Grievous Wounds to enemies that attack you

So this item intention was to counter enemies that have huge basic attack damage aka Critical Strikes. However one problem is that Lifesteal is too much in this game making this item meaningless. On top of that Riot want ot counter on hit effect champions by adding armor scaling as damage reflection which steers away the concept of crit counter which Thornmail was suppose to be. Countering onhit effect champions with thornmail is absolutely ineffective. Not only that but this also reduces the effectiveness vs critical strike

item 3072 20% lifesteal item 3153 15% lifesteal item 3139 10% lifesteal item 3156 10% lifesteal

Also adding 10% crit reduction to Randuin Omen is also kinda pointless since that wasn't the item purpose which was to reduce enemies Speed so i don't think removing crit from randuin is bad idea as the item originally was not made to deal with critical strikes but to give you general amount of protection and slow enemies

In order to counter Thormail you suppose to build magic resistance because it does magic damage. So who actually does that? All players do is build extra lifesteal and thornmail problems are over. GG Thornmail

Those items seems reasonable choice to counter thornmail item 3139 item 3156. They provide both lifesteal and MR which you should be building to deal with This item item 3072 does NOT provide MR but since it has 20% lifesteal so who cares?

And if we look at the word Thorn - you touch it, you bleed, you hurt yourself. Makes sense it should have Grievous Wounds

11 Comments

Jbels3 votes

You can't have it both ways. Either the crit reduction goes, or the GW goes. Both would make the item too cost efficient and powerful against what it's supposed to help against. Tanks should be hard to kill, not impossible

Ralanr2 votes

Agreed. Would be waaaay too overloaded.

SlashStriker1 votes

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You can't have it both ways. Either the crit reduction goes, or the GW goes. Both would make the item too cost efficient and powerful against what it's supposed to help against. Tanks should be hard to kill, not impossible

How is it overloaded? All it provides is Armor. It gives you 0 health and 0 MR

Compare this to every other item in the game - Frozen Heart, Frozen Gauntlet, Randuin Omen, Spirit Visage, Trinity Force, Black Cleaver and so on

Thornmail provides you only 1 stat and it does 3 things and armor - good vs AD champions return damage - scales with enemies attack damage crit reduction - anti crit item healing reduction - deals with lifesteal. You are suppose to build Magic Resistance to counter Thornmail

In other words it deals with all the problems that Thornmail have

Jbels1 votes

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How is it overloaded? All it provides is Armor. It gives you 0 health and 0 MR

Compare this to every other item in the game - Frozen Heart, Frozen Gauntlet, Randuin Omen, Spirit Visage, Trinity Force, Black Cleaver and so on

Thornmail provides you only 1 stat and it does 3 things and armor - good vs AD champions return damage - scales with enemies attack damage crit reduction - anti crit item healing reduction - deals with lifesteal. You are suppose to build Magic Resistance to counter Thornmail

In other words it deals with all the problems that Thornmail have

Life steal is the only counterplay for ADCs against thornmail, because believe it or not, ADCs will actually shred themselves on it without lifesteal. Gimping that will make the item unfair

KylerEzraStar1 votes

I can get behind this. Specially since Thornmail in the first place, having no health, was not so much a tank item, as much as a deterrent for people to attack you.

FooDang1 votes

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Thornmail should be True Damage

ftfy

TheJakeinator1 votes

So if draven Axes you and it crits he should do 300-400 damage to himself?

Lay off the drugs

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

item 3143 this item right here already has crit reduction... and armor , and hp and an attack speed slow when you are auto attacked

why does thornmail need an crit reduction ... oh by the way all armor reduces crit... crit is physical damage, armor reduces physical damage

if you are vs a heavy auto attack crit based team comp getting item 3143 item 3075 item 3047 is the best combination of items against that

Hyperiön1 votes

Because Randuins is losing its crit reduction.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

but riot is reworking crit as well... suppose to be part of the midseason update with the tank class rework

Leaf on Bush1 votes

Thornmail already is anti crit because it reflects 15% of the crit damage. It's an offensive anti crit item.

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