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The Caitlyn Bug Fix Notes In 10.2 Fail To Mention A Huge Change

AFilthyCaitMain·1/23/2020, 2:31:29 AM·21 votes·10,104 views

-Caitlyn no longer gets bonus Headshots by inputting the attack-move command near the target while they are trapped and netted simultaneously -Caitlyn can no longer use attack-move to attack trapped or netted targets while she is crowd controlled.

From what I can tell from the patch notes, they intended only to fix the two bugs where she would get a random extra headshot from thin air when she uses a specific combo dubbed "the machine gun" combo. They also fixed her headshotting in cc. What they failed to mention though was that they completely broke all of her other advanced combos by making it so she can only auto cancel one time within a set duration. They also made it more consistent and accessible to use by using right-click as well.

Disabling all these advanced combos completely removes a huge chunk of skill expression/ceiling from the champion, and I hope they revert it partially. In the end, though, the patch notes are just flat out misleading.

Video showing Caitlyn on live 10.1 vs PBE 10.2: https://youtu.be/aOAm1jINjL8

48 Comments

Hemulen Magi1/23/2020, 3:28:20 AM18 votes

The 10.2 clip honestly looks a lot more reasonable than what she was capable of doing in the before clip... Skill expression should be more about choosing the right moves/positioning, dodging/landing skill shots, etc. And not about knowing how to exploit the game engine to remove intended cast/attack times and animations/windups in order to get a significant DPS advantage. Riot should keep cleaning up cases like this, especially given the overall excess of damage.

only zhule1/23/2020, 3:40:46 AM8 votes

Got to love the people complaining about Riot fixing broken shit. Skill expression should not equal "how well can i abuse known bugs?"

Exodus2471/23/2020, 3:52:13 AM7 votes

"skill" This is the same thing riven does and they also claim its "skill". All it is is abusing a bug, no matter how 'hard' it is to do it. If it was a misc bug, sure, thats fine, complain about it, but this affects gameplay, just like rivens, just like graves used to do, and the best example in my mind besides riven, hecarim doing NOTICIBLY less dmg since he q aparently was supposed to up his dmg per spin, and didnt before.

SirAlex091/23/2020, 12:29:41 PM6 votes

The extreme Delay after attempting to cancel a second time is a bug and needs to be fixed

Smokec41/24/2020, 6:07:43 AM4 votes

I agree that her headshot coming when she is CC'd shouldnt be allowed, but having such a big delay after you get your 2 headshots (which arent even easy to accomplish) is very bad. If you think about it later wont make such a big difference because you will have attack speed so you will get it off faster and not walk up and wait 2 years to fire it. Only stage that this is impactful is at early game with no AS. (well ofc and the minigun..)

Edit: I tried hail of blades lvl3 with no further AS just dorans blade, and her 2nd headshot doesnt go faster at all. So i suppose that they made her headshot act only with her "internal" AS, and since hail of blades doesnt "count" auto resets it doesnt activate there. So is her headshot an auto reset that resets nothing? :P

BriefCarsten1/24/2020, 4:37:19 PM4 votes

This guys killed every Caitlyn main

IMO winnable1/25/2020, 12:02:51 AM4 votes

so now they have to remove every auto cancel in the game to be fair :)

Warmas1/23/2020, 1:13:07 PM4 votes

The problem was that happened me many times is that you stun Caitlyn and she just start headshotting you, that is a bug fix that is another story that this removes a combopiece.

Mega Annie X1/23/2020, 3:46:05 AM3 votes

Cait deserves every nerf she gets. Late game she kills people before they can retaliate with NO COMBOS AT ALL. Just headshot, rooted from stupid stormrazor, Headshot again from "muh"chanics and dead. Fuck her. I hope they nerf her damn headshot into the ground.

DeathBurst1/27/2020, 4:09:22 PM2 votes

At level 6 with 0 item, the 10.2 clip looks perfectly reasonable to me. I agree that the patch notes could have been phrased more clearly, but the actual behavior in game is WAI.

Glory971/23/2020, 10:20:57 AM2 votes

Caitlyn definetly deserves some nerfs. She has been too opressive and too strong overall for enough patches already, but destroying her combo is probably too much of a nerf. I tested out her e-w in practice tool just now and it feels super awkward (I'm no expert on cait combos, even though I play her quite a bit). I wouldn't be surprised if her winrates drops by 5 or more percent points.

SirAlex091/23/2020, 1:44:00 PM2 votes

Better Soluation : Revert Stormrazor nerf and the Combo removal.

Nerf : Life Regen and Armor per Level and Base HP --> thus making her weaker to all in scenarios . Keep the Cloak nerf.

--> Becomes a high skill cap champ again and can no longer be abused by autofilled adcs. She will be weak to All in attemps even further while keeping her strong DMG. Her Midgame will be hit be the cloak Nerf and everything will be like it's supposed to be

She will be an early / late game champ with a bad midgame like it's supposed to be and she can be punished in the early game by other adc for taking bad trades due to bad life regen and low base HP

Right now she feels incredibly clunky

EU Saber1/27/2020, 3:07:13 PM2 votes

Playing to climb master and improving on caitlyn was the only reason I kept on playing this trash game. I've played since season 1/2 but I think I am done with competetive league now. Will be fun to play some arams or normals with my trash ass friends once a month though. Riot makes this game worse almost every patch with these new changes and champions. Fix your game before putting in new shit. Okay your game will look more excited but for those we are already playing it it's just not a fun. Every champ released past year made the game worse. Thanks and cya

And also this guy did not even get close to show the beaty of caitlyn.

iiGazeii1/23/2020, 2:48:31 AM2 votes

Can't Aphelios do something similar with his Calibrum Q? IIRC, he can spam attack-move to cancel his auto on a marked target, just like Cait can (could) with her headshots. People were saying that it was intended because Cait could do it, but now that it's been removed, I hope Aphelios got the same treatment.

Posui Gart1/23/2020, 12:40:41 PM1 votes

Ok first, my opinion is the fact that her W/E headshots are autoreset is really stupid and shouldn't be there at all. And getting both W and E shouldn't allow her to do 2 longrange headshots.

With that aside, this really is too inconsistent and is probably a bug.

SiG DxD1/24/2020, 6:49:58 AM1 votes

good

Trusting1/23/2020, 2:02:15 PM1 votes

She deserved it