Welcome to the League of Legends Champion Spotlight

Legal Lolí·Feb 8, 2016·160 votes·6,457 views

Featuring Graves, The Outlaw.

Graves is a Ranged Tanky Dps Assassin Melee Bruiser Jungler Fighter Marksman.

He excels at everything.

Literally. http://i.imgur.com/2pcGgJS.png

58 Comments

Jeddy017Feb 8, 2016102 votes

There's one thing he doesn't excels at.......smoking.

5000000000000000Feb 8, 201646 votes

His lung cancer started to recede so he became OP

Rew711Feb 8, 201610 votes

Apparently, Graves wasn't the only one who improved after the update. Surgeon Shen must had also improved in his medical work as well.

Huncho HoudiníFeb 8, 201611 votes

Them Crocs tho...

coeurloyalFeb 8, 20164 votes

They make for speedier running through the jungle. Crocs = swifties

EcodeathFeb 8, 201651 votes

techinically he is also an AD mage

S H A Y C 0Feb 8, 20165 votes

how is he a mage? AD Caster sure..mage though???

"I don't that word means what you think it means" -Inigo Motoya

AuroramancerFeb 8, 201612 votes

Caster and Mage are the same thing.

S H A Y C 0Feb 8, 20169 votes

Mage implies magic damage explicitly...but hooray for noob upvotes

AudiomancyFeb 8, 20162 votes

By that logic, Shyvana is also a mage.

SmithneyFeb 8, 20163 votes

>OP makes a joke about Graves >some guy takes it too seriously >gets downvoted >another guy downvotes it and posts wrong explanation >gets upvoted because the guy before him got downvoted >noobs now think caster equals mage

And some still wonder why I mock boards so often

AuroramancerFeb 8, 20163 votes

Ah yes, because:

If you use magic to conjure blades and manipulate them, you aren't a Mage because you aren't dealing magic damage.
If you manipulate shadows and can teleport yourself through them, you aren't a Mage in any way because you aren't dealing magic damage.
If you conjure a circular wall of rock to trap an opponent, you aren't a Mage because your target didn't take magic damage.

Great reasoning. My first comment may have been wrong in the context of the OP, but your response does not remotely debunk what I said earlier.

S H A Y C 0Feb 9, 20163 votes

nothing magical about graves shooting things with large shotgun thing...which btw is the ACTUAL subject at hand...not your silly little list.

but while were addressing it.... theres nothing magical about jarvan smashing the ground really hard.

how am i doing now on the debunking?

AuroramancerFeb 9, 20161 votes

which btw is the ACTUAL subject at hand...not your silly little list.

Did you forget this? "My first comment may have been wrong in the context of the OP".

how am i doing now on the debunking?

Well, I responded to you saying "Mage implies magic damage explicitly", which is why I created that list, and you responded by saying that it's humanly possible to reform terrain with sheer strength, without really tackling the concept of "Casters and Mages are the same thing" and "Mage does not imply magic damage".

Here's some more magic things that don't deal "magic damage":

Ezreal's Mystic Shot, conjuring a flying bolt of physical damage. Magic.
Lucian's guns. Photon guns that actually shred matter? Magic.
Nasus's Siphoning Strike, steals the soul essence from those killed, in order to become more powerful. Magic.
Nocturne's Duskbringer, conjuring a flying claw to leave behind a trail of darkness. Magic.
Poppy's Hammer Shock, creates unstable ground, unleashing energy to damage those on top. Magic.
Poppy's ult, conjures an immense shockwave and another large hammer. Magic.
Wukong's Nimbus Strike, creating temporary clones to dash out with him. Magic.

S H A Y C 0Feb 9, 20161 votes

lets just go with what you said then... if we go with all your million examples then mage isnt an archetype, its what they ALL are. So instead of calling them champions we have to now call them mages, because as you stated in your argument to make a guy with a shotgun a mage, THEY ARE ALL MAGES. Making your point pretty redundant and useless.

have a good one.

DarkwindFeb 9, 20161 votes

He is not an AD mage. AD mage is a contradiction in terms.

KaeblenFeb 8, 201641 votes

LeeSin item 3070 You... you stole my ... my, formerly uncontested, Throne. https://youtu.be/h2XB2iIecXI

The LovelessFeb 8, 20162 votes

There was so much blood splatter back then.

MhihnjFeb 8, 20162 votes

this video is one of my favorite

XeroKimoFeb 8, 201622 votes

Soooooooooooo LeeSin ?

DecritFeb 8, 201614 votes

You forgot support. Death is best cc.

UrPalAlFeb 9, 20161 votes

Naw, full AP smokescreen Graves.

iTamsFeb 8, 201611 votes

Can't be a CertainlyT champion if the champion excels at only one thing.

(CertainlyT was in charge of reworking this guy)

DecritFeb 8, 20166 votes

Yeah but that's mostly because of the balancing around him, rather the kit.

For once is not entirely CT fault :D even if it is still a weird concidence.

kile147Feb 8, 20167 votes

I mean if you look at his kit there's no reason he should excel at everything, which is usually the problem with CT champs. The only reason he fits all these tags is because he's overtuned and thus has assassin levels of burst early to mid game, decent Mage AoE at every point in the game, and maybe only slightly subpar DPS for a marksman.

I think that if they take some of the base damage off his Q, nerf his AD ratios a slight bit on everything, then give him more incentive to build AS he will be fine. He would then still deal good damage, but wouldn't nuke quite as hard early game and would be more reliant on getting in close and using autos at every point.

Unstoppable MonkFeb 8, 20169 votes

Graves is missing something.

He needs to summon another dragon after a dragon is killed. Write some lore that he's Graves BFF and that the rift drake owed some other dragon some money so he helps graves kill the nexus to pay him back the favor.

Sevarg the Dragon.

Maximum StaximumFeb 8, 20167 votes

He excels at everything besides auto-attacking more than twice in succession, that is.

tzxxTjM8FAFeb 8, 201613 votes

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He excels at everything besides auto-attacking more than twice in succession, that is.

using e he can auto attack 3 times in succession actually

SHlTBUGFeb 8, 20161 votes

Some of these ~~billionaires~~ champions have 3, 4 pairs of ~~underwear~~ shotgun bullets!

Who do you want as your ~~president~~ OP FotM champion, some ~~rich guy~~ any champion other than Jhin or someone with 1 pair of ~~underwear~~ bullets who reloads them on his ~~radiator~~. Graves doesn't even HAVE a ~~drier~~ bullet reloading system. He just ~~dries~~ reloads them ~~on the radiator~~ manually!

ayNigerianPrinceFeb 8, 20167 votes

This is just...stupid

Rew711Feb 8, 20162 votes

I actually have a tough time wondering if I should go AS/Crit or AD when facing certain champs. It also gets hard when my supports usually stay back the whole time (thanks a lot, salty ADCs for making supports afraid to do much <= I don't care if a support gets more kills or even the CS) and I can't move forward and just get perma-ganked by 3-5 enemies at once. I think AD works better for facing off multiple enemies, but that AS/Crit just has such great push and can work into a strong late game.

SP DodgecityFeb 8, 20161 votes

Soooo it kinda depends on the champ you pick as your ADC and the champ your going up against.

I always try and counter build, but with some champs I change my style. For example, I run AS w/crit with Caitlyn because with Runaan's i can activate her passive every 2 shots in team fights instead of after the 5th shot (I believe I can't remember XD )

But with MF and Jinx I focus Damage first because both of them have abilities that can make up for the lost AS. Which makes me extra strong early game and the rest of my AS items come late game.

But remember to counter build. If the enemy team has a super tanky Darius then you'll want to build to counter. Same with a super fed lux (Maw to counter).

So all in all

Build what works with your champ and what your comfortable with and if possible, counter pick who ever you're going to lane against.
Build to counter the enemy teams strongest players or carriers.

My end game caitlyn build as 2.0 AS, 80% crit rate, and 30% life steal, with hitting head shots after each 2nd shot. Its pretty damn broken haha.

tzxxTjM8FAFeb 9, 20162 votes

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supports usually stay back the whole time

The problem is you're going ADC when you should be going Tanky/Bruiser Top or Jg. Graves's base dmg and scaling is so good you only need 1-2 AD items then full tank to one-shot anyone. Full AD is best bet.

MhihnjFeb 8, 20167 votes

when i approach the baron it kills itself for me because i am graves

ZackeryssFeb 8, 20166 votes

Seems legit [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

SalronFeb 8, 20165 votes

I feel compelled to edit Fiora's splash in a similar fashion now

invisiblecat1Feb 8, 20162 votes

LOL^^^^^

morris1Feb 8, 20162 votes

There you go

SpecterVonBarenFeb 8, 20163 votes

Not at support though!

LauchmelderFeb 8, 20162 votes

Just max his Smokescreen first and annoy the enemy ADC. He CAN be a support I guess. (Challenge accepted)

SpecterVonBarenFeb 9, 20162 votes

Lord forgive me for the evil I have unleashed upon this SoloQ.

galH11Feb 8, 20163 votes

he deserves not to have a cigar

KylFeb 9, 20161 votes

{quoted}

he deserves not to have a cigar

LMAOOOOOOOOOO

this

I would shove his cigar up his ass if I could

CrossetteFeb 8, 20162 votes

this

Troll for TrumpFeb 8, 20162 votes

Jayce Jhin

And the only thing Graves can support is that petition for him to have his cigar back.

Wonder what happened to that..

charcharmunroFeb 8, 201610 votes

What, um... What do Jayce and Jhin have to do with anything?

Troll for TrumpFeb 8, 20162 votes

Both versatile champs

charcharmunroFeb 8, 20163 votes

Jayce, sure. Fairly versatile. Jhin, though? Not at all. Jhin's a bursty, faster, less tank-killing Kog'Maw in terms of how specialised he is.

Troll for TrumpFeb 9, 20161 votes

I meant that they had the power to go in several lanes. Lee Sin/Elise?

idk why my first post is being downvoted though. What's wrong w/ it? Or is the circlejerk simply too powerful...

Android CowboyFeb 8, 20162 votes

You thought you knew about GRAVES...YOU DONT!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing can recreate the majesty of a GRAVES overlooking his realm. More often than not, GRAVES can be found saving the human race from themselves. GRAVES is also the cleanest of this planets creatures, he bathes an astonishing 3 times a month. GRAVES has evolved to be master of all forms of combat. GRAVES has more than 8 abs, with new abs being discovered every day!