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The problem with Shyvana isn't her human form

Mira Arya Enthe··116 votes·6,582 views

It's that her Dragon form is better used as an escape leap than anything. Seriously, you ult into an enemy team and gain AoE... woo...

She is the only Juggernaut I know of with no sustain/heal. And her team fighting fails so hard compared to many others(Darius, Illoai >.>) because she jumps in(usually gets blocked by the first CC issued and falls 500 units short) then gains some AoE. The enemy team isn't scared of her, at all. Illoai or Darius walking in your general direction is scarier than Shyvana's ult. Garen's execute and silence are scarier then Shyvana's ult. Nasus ult maintains the fear that Wither and a high stack Q already has.

My suggestion? Certainly do NOT add damage. Shyvana has that up the ass.

Add minor sustain to her ult, that does NOT scale off of tank stats(she is a Juggernaut/Diver). My suggestion is fix her E animation to make it look like a plume of fire. Oops... wrong topic. My suggestion that while in Dragon Form(honestly it could probably work in human form without being too strong as long as it doesn't heal on jungle mobs) the initial damage of Shyvana's E along with the on hit damage it does, heals Shyvana for the damage done. That's it.

That on top of fixing the terrible hit box on her R(maybe fixing how easily she is CC'd during her leap?) should make her viable again. In my opinion her lack of team fight sustain, and the fact that 1v1 dragon form is next to useless, is really holding her back.

Thoughts from other Shyvana players on if this is a good idea? Thoughts from non-Shyvana players if this is too much? Post below!

193 Comments

Raiku Kawisa30 votes

Shyvana needs sustain or she needs cc. So I like either of those options. Both will make her viable and sustain would certainly give less power to her than any form of hard cc. Makes her still have to be careful on how she engages instead of just "CC Carries and win".

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

Well, glad to have the views of probably the best Shyvana on the boards. OuO

Raiku Kawisa7 votes

I highly doubt I am the best Shyvana on the boards. I'm only low Gold.

Keti3 votes

hi

N Pelosi18 votes

Yeah but she's really hot.

Umbra Ionia2 votes

Because she burns?

Troy24262114 votes

Fix her f*cking R hitbox that can glide directly over the top of people

It'd also be nice if her R weren't negated by CC every time she uses it, that'd be about all she needs

DunkinNoobs12 votes

I would rather she get some tenacity during her ult. Shyv has the same problem Aatrox does: Riot wants them to jump deep into the enemy team but doesn't give them enough tools to do their job once there.

4th3t0s8 votes

Just give the initial ult animation the unstoppable status, along with your e suggestion. Problem solved. I mean, this is a DRAGON (albeit disproportionately small for gameplay) flying through the air.

invisiblecat18 votes

I feel making her cc immune when she uses her ult TOWARDS enemies will help her

General Esdeath 6 votes

Not to mention the CC doesn't even work half the time.

Ralanr5 votes

Honestly I've found it weird that her ult doesn't seem to give her more health like how Mega Gnar does.

SexualizeOatmeal4 votes

Personally, I think Shyvana's dragon form is perfect as is. You didnt like the aoe element of her attacks, well, with the ls you build on her, you will be getting healed from multipled units being attacked. You are already doing alot of damage, just because of your max health damage, and the fact that your W burns the area, makes you go faster, and burns the land. Building Deadmans helps with the tank, and movement speed problem, and gives damage. I guess its just me, but I like the way Shyvana feels.

Raiku Kawisa3 votes

When Shyvana is doing what she is supposed to, she feels great. The only thing is its so very easy to stop her from doing just that. Shyvana needs to be ridiculously far ahead to roflstomp the enemy. Otherwise she can get kited and peeled easily.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

She is supposed to get kited and peeled. She is a juggernaut in the end. Juggernauts weakness is kiting.

Raiku Kawisa2 votes

Yes but other juggernaughts have actual cc (not hard cc) to be able to do something to help in that regard. Shyvana has a buggy dash.

devdev4634 votes

Shyvana feels annoying because there are times you completely destroy things and look super op, but then times you get kited and don't feel like your doing anything. She suffers from the same problems nasus does imo in that there just aren't enough things that the person playing as shyv can do to combat this, and this is the biggest reason why she's so annoying to play.

What do you like about shyv? Is it mainly just her Dragon aesthetic (I personally think it's really cool), because from a gameplay perspective there isn't much to like about her imo.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

Her appearance, her lore, her voice, her human form gameplay and her skins.

Rivuo4 votes

The Problem With Shyvana Is That nearly Every Jungler does what she can do better..

There is absolutely no reason to pick shyvana. She has no cc, gets slowed one time and loses any chance of closing the gap, aoe damage is extremely subpar, is not even remotely tank for how risky she has to play. There is so much stuff she needs. Not having a CC these days is pretty bad..

Great Muta2 votes

Only thing Shyv does better than anyone else is farm and Riot seemed hellbent on destroying all farming junglers this year like Yi, Kindred, Udyr, WW and Shyv.

a special one4 votes

i would speed up her r, make it not interruptable and make it carry enemies the full way, while reducing its active damage a little

Apple tater4 votes

would be nice if she couldn't get cc'ed while ulting!

Melledoneus3 votes

25% slow resistance for each person hit during Dragon's descent, max of 3 stacks.

Congrats, you are now unstoppable dargon.

QaznGod3 votes

FULL AP SCALINGS YAY FIRE BREATH ACTUALLY DO DMG YAY AP DRAGON YES

llamasx3 votes

I never know whether to laugh or cry when I see a shyvanna make a great flank, land a direct hit on the ultimate on the enemy team, and go straight through them because her hit box is so wonky.

I think if just some utility was added to her ult, it would go a long way. I was thinking maybe code it into a thinner azir ult. Right now it feels more like a very thin cone. She could continue to be able to be interrupted for now to check for balance.

Xeruon3 votes

Honestly, just make her R not so clunky to use, give her some (small) compensations for the removal of Sated, and she should be at least in a decent position until Riot comes around for a full VGU on her.

DJ Lucio3 votes

Shyvs dragon form is underwhelming and I use it as a kill secure or as a getaway.

420 grams2 votes

Why should she get a buff when aatrox and Urgot have to stay untouched for years?

Mira Arya Enthe9 votes

Unrelated topic. Completely unrelated. They are getting reworked anyway. But still unrelated.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

Based on the champion subclass list, you're right that Shyvana is the only juggernaut without a heal (though Udyr/Volibear/Garen have much less reliable healing than Mundo/Darius/Trundle).

However Shyvana will likely become a much deadlier juggernaut with Courage of the Colossus.

TyrekGoldenspear16 votes

She has no hard CC save for an unreliable ult displacement.

That mastery would not be ideal.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

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She has no hard CC save for an unreliable ult displacement.

That mastery would not be ideal.

The mastery has a 30 second CD. You only get it once per fight anyway. Nautilus with all his CC chaining gets as much use of it as Shyvana would.

Hinagiku339 votes

That doesn't actually make it good.

Nautilus has very reliable CC.

Shyvana has a single CC that is infamous for not working most of the time. That also requires her to dive into the enemy team to use. That also does not actually occur more often than not. That also cannot take effect if Shyvana eats CC during her leap, which she almost certainly will.

There is no way in hell Courage of the Colossus will be even halfway decent on Shyvana. I'm guessing either modified Fervor or Grasp will be be Shyvana's go-to Keystones. Although when in doubt, Thunderlords...

Mira Arya Enthe7 votes

Uhm... she has no CC other than the tiny sometimes-works displacement on her ultimate.

Sire Hippington2 votes

I tested that masterie on PBE on her...it sucks. You play completely without keystone for most of the time and certainly the early pre 6, and her ult is just to unreliable and has to high cd, makeing the masterie unreliable. If you miss that ult or it gets interupted, you stand there with nothing. And eve if you get the shield, all it needs is 1 cc and they can ignore you for the 4sec it lasts befor focuseing you down(or more likely further ignoreing you save for some cc while murdering your team)

The Yetii Rider2 votes

Pretty much every keystone doesn't exist on a jungler pre-6 though.

Sire Hippington4 votes

So you neither gank nor fight the other jungler pre 6? I see, you're a WW main!

Also, there is a reason nearly every jungler went for SoA...

The Yetii Rider3 votes

I'm a Nunu main. I don't gank or fight anyone pre-6 or post 6. I just farm and take baron at 20 minutes.

Ràinbow2 votes

I have no real thoughts to add, but I just wanted to say I lol'd at:

"My suggestion? Certainly do NOT add damage. Shyvana has that up the ass."

ltmetal2 votes

Bump for solidarity. Make Shyvana great again.

Poske2 votes

Shyvana needs a rework

She is a failure of a dragon

MrWasjig2 votes

First of all like many have said before me, her ultimate "sweep" as she leaps forwards needs to be consistent. Because right now leaping into the enemy team feels like rolling a fucking dice for how unreliable it is. And if anything reliability is extremely powerful, that's certainly something Shyvy could use right now. I'll admit I haven't played Shyvana since the last time she was strong (Devourer Meta if I'm not mistaken), but she's received little to no functional changes since then, just numbers changes. So I think I'm safe in assuming she still has the same problems she's always had.

Make her ult leap reliable, then perhaps see if she could use something extra. As OP suggested a little sustain could go a long way for our lovely half-dragon lady.

In the meantime however, allow me to tide you over with some cute Shyv :3 http://img14.deviantart.net/0cbd/i/2011/307/c/5/squish_by_littleenky-d4eze3j.png

Strâwbëewwy 2 votes

hahaha totally right as an adc main, when i see shyv jumping on me im like: '' come at me '' , but maybe because im bronze and the people who plays shyv sucks but hey it doesn't matter.

An Undead brat2 votes

I mean, I 1v1d Shyvana yesterday. With Bard. Which I never play. With Sightstone and not-full FQC. And I was 4 levels - let me repeat - 4 LEVELS behind. And on top of it ON HALF MY HEALTH by the time.

I was able to sidestep her ult so easily I'm even surprised it did not hit me! Seriously I felt so bad for her, she could not almost touch me AND I MISSED 2/4 OF MY QS!

Please, something needs to be done.

69469238DEL12 votes

Yeah being forced to build Frozen Mallet every game is annoying

Otter Fire2 votes

I think her whole kit is meant to revolve around the whole "I'm a Dragon Born, so I'm tough and powerful!" The problem isn't sustain, it's the simplicity of her kit. With no cc to lock down enemies, there is no fear of her (except for the damage she does), all she does is become a nuisance in fights. If she were to have a rework (which is doubtful for the next year) she would need some form better cc than a weak shove from an ultimate.

Now it can be said that she is meant to be a split pusher, which is what I think Riot was getting at with Shyvana. A moody dragon woman who has always been an outcast, hence why she isn't so good at team fights, but excels at solo combat and split pushing lanes. With low cc, but higher damage and tank stats to boot, Shyvana can duel a fair number of champions in her human form alone and if needed she can ult to gain more damage and tank to deal with other dueling champions.

TL:DR Shyvana is a split pushing champion with plenty of damage to do push objectives and duel any champion that comes to stop her lane pushes. I think Riot did a good job with Shyvana, she is not meant to be with her team in fights, but rather pushing objectives on her own. Hope this enlightens you! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Aptest1 votes

The problem with Shyvana is that this item item 3077 and it's upgrades took her niche as a "I push harder" champion and gave it as a purchasable stat to every other melee in the game, whereas she didn't get anything else really unique to make up for not being "special" anymore.

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

That item always existed when she did, and she use to buy it. It's always been a major item on many champions. It has nothing to do with her falling off. She was good when LoL was a stat check game. She was good again when she could abuse devourer. Neither of those are the case anymore.

MonkeyMadness1 votes

She is the only Juggernaut I know of with no sustain/heal.

K, so here's the problem you have: SHYVANA IS NOT A JUGGERNAUT. Juggernauts (by Riot's own definition) is a champ that is characteristically slow and slow and clunky, but can deal a lot of damage if they can get to their intended target. Now, some of the juggernauts do have speed ups (Voli, Garen, and Mundo), but the commonality between these champs is a complete lack of a gap closing dash. Shyvana, however, has one in the form of her ultimate. She needs to be considered a Diver, not a Juggernaut.

Mira Arya Enthe6 votes

Dude Meddler confirmed directly that she is a Juggernaut. There is no discussion there.

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