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Carrying as an ADC is too easy relative to other positions

ScurvyNave··6 votes·1,381 views

Honestly I can stomp top lane as Rek'sai all game long but when the enemy graves gets fed to 21 kills by our zero kill vayne its just beyond all hope.

Yeah a top laner can make teleport plays every now and then or roam down for dragon fights but give me a fed top lamer and an equally fed adc and the adc will always have more impact.

A mid laner can roam and assassinate but their shit at grabbing turrets whereas a fed adc can kill them while blowing up people faster than a yasuo ult.

Supports can't carry end of story

Junglers (in new jungle) are always behind in lvl even if they get tonnes of gank kills.

Is the adc getting fed/feeding the only real decisive point of the game. I've had too many games where I won top/mid lane and everyone else was ding fine but our adc is behind the enemy adc is fed and we lose gg.

Anyone else having this issue or am I just cursed with low skill adcs in my games?

28 Comments

SmokingPuffin3 votes

ADC > top > mid > ADC

As a fed top, you generally can't solve fed ADCs because they're built to beat you. On the other hand, a fed Graves really can't do much about a fed Zed, while a fed Irelia has no problems with assassins.

Drunk Rummate3 votes

OP clearly has never played as ADC against a fed Fizz, Riven, Zed, Talon, Leblanc, Syndra, Vi, Irelia, or Jarvan

Because whenever an assassin or bruiser gets fed, say goodnight to your ADC. There's no carrying to be done against that.

ScurvyNave1 votes

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OP clearly has never played as ADC against a fed Fizz, Riven, Zed, Talon, Leblanc, Syndra, Vi, Irelia, or Jarvan

Because whenever an assassin or bruiser gets fed, say goodnight to your ADC. There's no carrying to be done against that.

Yes but a good tank on your team or support can stop them with cc. My OP was based on the fact that a fed adc is better than anything else and how being a fed top laner etc. is less impactful

Direwolfiez1 votes

Anyone (besides Irelia and Mundo, and Garen, I guess) can be stopped with CC. That's no excuse for being absurdly strong. That's usually what people say when they don't want their mains to be balanced.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

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Yes but a good tank on your team or support can stop them with cc. My OP was based on the fact that a fed adc is better than anything else and how being a fed top laner etc. is less impactful

Yeah a good tank is gonna stop the 8-0 syndra from pressing Q twice and then clicking on you with R from 750range... ooookay

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

That's why the meta has an ADC/Support in the bot lane; starve one player (the support) and give as much as possible to the AD Carry so they can wreck faces. You can always switch up the meta and try something different if your team is willing, but yes, ADC's are strong and (as the name suggest) have powerful carry potential.

But that doesn't always hold true; a fed bruiser/assassin from the other lanes has the same potential. Run duo queue with a good ADC and you won't have to worry about getting a bad one.

ScurvyNave5 votes

It just irks me to no end that I can go and everyone but 1 person on a team can be doing fine but if that one role (adc) fucks up you might as well ff at 20. It doesn't matter what top laner I am Gnar ,Sion or even RekSai I just can't make an impact even if I get fed. It just seems so misbalanced and frankly unrewarding I might as well just hang out in bot bushes all game as a ward since wining top lane seems to do shit all.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

There are other top laners that can carry hard. I think you would like Riven.

WooBeeWoo1 votes

Shes like the only exception and it matters how much cc your team has. Riven has fucking 4 gaplosers, a shield that scales on AD (which is fucking stupid), cc, and an execute ability. She snowballs hard as fuck so one kill makes or breaks her.... Shes not at all a healthy or balanced champ shes an absolute outlier. AND mostly she can carry because she can kill an ADC so dam fast. I wish xin could use his e 4 times in a row before cool down or rengar got 4 leaps from ult or every other melee champ got 4 gapclosers and artifical health that scaled on damage........

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

She's not the only exception, she's just really good.

ScurvyNave1 votes

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She's not the only exception, she's just really good.

Wouldn't riven be just as kite-able since she's purely melee?

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I'm not a skilled Riven player (quite the contrary, top lane is basically feed lane for me), but Riven's kit seems to more-or-less handle kiting better than you'd expect from a melee. Her short-range short-term gap closing is quite good.

Kuroi862 votes

She can also be kited to hell and back unless she pops up out of nowhere and closes the distance faster than the AD can either jump away or CC her.

And before you try saying how much distance she can close, remember, marksmen have range of their own, not to mention jumps and CC which can utterly bend Riven over without effort.

WooBeeWoo1 votes

Now imagine every other melee that doesn't get 4 dashes, and a sheild based on damage. So if you wanna say that then my point still stands... ADCs are bullshit right now cause other melees have an even harder time.

Kuroi861 votes

Actually most melee champs have better tools for gap closing than Riven lol. Melee champs aren't supposed to insta-gib ranged champs, hence why you have to be smart in order to win a duel with one. You can just pick Tryn, spin up to them and expect to instantly win a fight. The simplicity of a melee ADC' kit is made more complex by the fact that you have only a few tools to win a fight with, you have to use them expertly well in order to win a fight. As I pointed out before, there is a way for Riven to rip the ADC tp shreds, that is to flank them, pop up at close distance, close the gap and nuke them before they can counter strike. You've got to be smart in your positioning though. Heck, Yi, Tryn and Xin all have an easier time of this than Riven.

kirbyzama1 votes

You realize Riven's 4 gapcloser don't cover the same distance as Renekton dash Kha Leap or even Xin E. She seems to move farther because her walking isn't interrupted by her Qs but all her dashes save for E are puny, and E is still pretty short. 4 small gap closers are better than 1 large one for tactical reason but they are not comparable in individual impact as Xin E. Yeah she has a shield but she also has less health regen then Rengar while being squishier then Lucian!

What's more she loses to most of those bruisers top lane that everyone complains can't fight adcs like Garen or Darius. That's the thing that is funny about this forum. Everyday someone brings up the adc's are op circlejerk but whenever there is a melee champ that can beat them in a fair fight like Riven, Irelia, or heaven forbid Lee Sin everyone cries. I not to mention midlaners like Fizz or Zed.

"But these champs are op overloaded literally toxic!" I can hear people saying now. Yeah they kinda are but that's how it works. Some champs are melee. That is their weakness not privilege. When you pack them with the damage and mobility to combat that range people hate them, but they need to exist. Riven will kill the your adc. If you don't want her to then play Garen into her. You'll lose to the enemy adc but you will save yours. With how contrary everyone is here, it lends me to believe all people want is to just walk up the enemy adc and off them with no repercussions

5G8Nri0B542 votes

...that's kind of the point.

What did you think "C" in ADC stood for?

The most you can argue is that the new penetration system is way too effective against champions who build resistances.

disregardable2 votes

People say that all the time, but I don't see it.

DrCyanide1 votes

Same thing the "C" in APC stands for.

360D3GR3SS2 votes

I would certainly hope so. Attack Damage CARRY. It's in their name, they are supposed to carry.

DrCyanide1 votes

Ability Power Carries are part of his list of people who can't make up the difference.

360D3GR3SS1 votes

Lol...ap carries beat ad carries. I don't even want to hear it.

Direwolfiez2 votes

As opposed to carrying as an assassin? Most of them snowball so hard you have to coordinate with 2-3+ members of your team just to take them out, let alone the rest of their team.

Not denying that ADCs can snowball really hard and wipe out tanks with ease, but assassins, right now, in my opinion, are pretty close to being as problematic as ADCs, what with the amount of penetration they can easily get.

Direwolfiez1 votes

OP, why don't you stop being a lurker and actually SAY why you downvoted me instead of just downvoting me without saying anything, hm?

manbearswine2 votes

I think you confused adc with mid laner,and jungler.

WooBeeWoo1 votes

No its a fact and its worse than ever. The ADC is almost the only role that can carry. It literally influences every part of the game right now and I personally hate it. Thats why assassins are picked so much. The goal is to trade an assassin for the enemy adc and let yours rip everything up.

Kuroi861 votes

I suppose it depends on how good you are with your champ, your team comp, even your enemies team comp. Last Renekton game I played, I always made it a priority to jump the enemy Jinx and get as much damage on her as fast as I could. I came from lane 3/1/1 and she came from lane 1/0/6. Jinx wasn't fed, but then neither was I really.
Then again, could just be that between me and Talon, they really couldn't put up much of a team fight. Yes, Ashe did okay, she really wasn't a major force in team fights though.

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