I know that Rioters' and pro players' opinions are literally worthless and your low elo game sense knows better.
But I'll share this anyway https://esportsedition.com/league-of-legends/adc-dead-botlane/
Paroe6 votes@thread ADC mains are the only players ever to whine so hard riot created an entirely new kind of item for them. ADCs are the only class of champions to have their itemization buffed constantly without real reworks over the years. ADCs are the only class of champions to have their lack of counterplay glorified by riot instead of punished. ADCs are the only class of champions to have the meta revolve consistently around them.
ForgiveColour1 votesMages in mid bruiser for jungle whats your point?
Scary Door3 votesI know that Rioters' and pro players' opinions are literally worthless and your low elo game sense knows better.
But I'll share this anyway https://esportsedition.com/league-of-legends/adc-dead-botlane/
Check the date of that article genius, it's from JANUARY. Remember? When the "ADCin2k17" meme started... Pretty much nothing in there is valid now and much of it wasn't even valid then.
How did Ziggs bot lane go? I saw it once, it got wrecked, haven't seen it since.
Dokkaebi2 votesYes. Sadly the boards is full of conspiracytheorists and circlejerkers who believe ADCs have always been super op.
ADC is op now but because some players have just started the game they believe that marksmen have always been.
Jbels3 votesYes. Sadly the boards is full of conspiracytheorists and circlejerkers who believe ADCs have always been super op.
ADC is op now but because some players have just started the game they believe that marksmen have always been.
Still the only class of champion to have a constant meta presence. Tanks, Assassins, mages, divers have all had their time in the sun, and they come and go. ADC is always there. They are insanely overtuned right now what with GA being an easy access AD item and Death's Dance offering way too much sustain through assassin and mage burst (you know, the champions that are supposed to COUNTER ADCs?) .
Dokkaebi2 votesOh mer geesshh! Support has always been in the game! That is so problematic!
Jbels2 votesI'd rather play a mage-centric botlane than an ADC centric one any day. Atleast mages actually die when you get on top of them
Sir Yamazuki2 votesI'd rather play a mage-centric botlane than an ADC centric one any day. Atleast mages actually die when you get on top of them
Mages are harder to kill on their own, if they go bot lane they end up with a support to help them. ADCs are difficult to kill when their support plays well.
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Mages are harder to kill on their own, if they go bot lane they end up with a support to help them. ADCs are difficult to kill when their support plays well.
They don't get crap tons of lifesteal, they don't get Phantom Dancer's damage reduction, they don't have access to Death's dance. The only thing they do have is hourglass, and that doesn't even come close to the defensive power ADCs have on their items right now
Sir Yamazuki2 votesThey don't get crap tons of lifesteal, they don't get Phantom Dancer's damage reduction, they don't have access to Death's dance. The only thing they do have is hourglass, and that doesn't even come close to the defensive power ADCs have on their items right now
Mages have Banshees, and health items that also provide offensive stats with defensive effects. Rylai, Proto, GLP, ROA to name a few.
Have you also looked at your standard ADC kit vs a Mage? An ADC generally offers nearly nothing other than damage or self protection, with anything more than that being on long cool downs or not as good as what a Mage has. Mages have a wide variety of cc, shields and general utility, and better wave clear. Some even get their burst in aoe form rather than single target. ADCs are important partly for objective purposes, they take towers, dragons, etc very quickly which is why when melee versions get ahead they seem oppressive. If your team always wins a team fight but only your tank lives you get nothing, but if say Jinx lives that could easily be multiple towers.
Cool down based mages are also safer due to not having to constantly attack to fill their role.
Mordepool1 votesYa they Died From Boredom
Mordepool1 votesAlso it's Not a circle jerk when we Have 7 years of Patch notes confirming the Argument.
woodvsmurph1 votesI love how people act like rank = intelligence and no one of "low" elo (whatever is lower than me is low elo bullcrap) can possibly understand anything about the game. First off, knowing about the game and being able to execute can be 2 different things. Not every coach is challenger, but they understand things and help players make better decisions and good picks and bans. Even though they are lower elo than the players they coach. So this alone should be enough to point out the flawed logic of higher rank = more intelligent.
If a "trash" silver/gold can theory craft stuff before the Korean geniuses do it - from whom the best NA players steal the idea and "import" it to NA, then clearly low elo "trash" who "know nothing" can know something. Morgana support? - She used to be mid only and not the strongest at that - I brought her support. Wait a year and the genius high elo pro's catch on. And she becomes THE META support for a time. Plus 1 for low elo scrubs. Nautilus support? Did the same thing - just a few patches ahead of the genius high elo players. Tank mordekaiser that would make tank ekko crap his shorts because of how unkillable he is while dealing tons of damage? Yep - no high elo player I saw came up with this, but awhile later tank ekko was born with similar theory behind the build. Frozen mallet was almost exclusive to gnar at one point. But I said, why not play it on aa junglers like ww, shyvana, etc. 2 patches later or so, I see vids by high elo EU and NA streamers advertising this OP new Korean build - on-hit frozen mallet junglers and toplaners. Wow - 2 patches after some know-nothing NA gold scrub comes up with a build, the brilliant Koreans are coming up with the same build "before anyone else". Lol.
Stop assuming like every "low elo" "know nothing" "trash" player cannot possibly have any concept of the game. Even blind players who actually do have no clue why something is good or not can see when something is way out of tune with how good/bad it should be. They don't always know WHY, but they can still know something is not balanced. Furthermore, there is more innovation and trial-and-error in low to moderate elo than in much of high elo - leading to some false OP and some REAL OP builds and champ roles being discovered.
Irelia Bot1 votesFarily sure outside of Ziggs making a short appearance in bot lane and the mess that was the mord rework marksmen have never had a real challenge to their claim bot lane and never one lasting for months on end resulting in them no longer being a core part of the Meta.
WE want to see them disappear from competive for an entire season just like tanks, fighters and assassins have had happen in the past.
Micbran1 votesI’m speaking mostly from anecdote and information collected from memes when I say this: ADC is dead.
Lmao good one OP