+250 armor, 3.8k health as Leona, Quinn and Lucian have no LW's, and IGNORE THE ARMOR COMPLETELY!

darkdill··6 votes·825 views

Riot, what the flipping fuck? Are you trying to make armor the biggest trap stat in the game?

And don't give me the "damage outscales defense" argument, because that argument doesn't apply when those ADCs don't have the proper armor penetration. Even if they're doing crits, they should be bouncing off.

If I didn't know better, I'd swear Lucian and Quinn cheated somehow. But declaring that will probably get me reported, so I won't.

18 Comments

IcyPepper3 votes

link to match history please

gotta check dem builds

TomA3X2 votes

Sounds like another tank player standing in front of the entire enemy team, expecting to not take any damage.

BluePolarizer1 votes

protip - crits are the actual tank melter stat, not arpen.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

made me laugh

so lest say you crit for 1k a tank reduces it by 75% so he gets 250 dmg per auto now lets say you crit for 750 a tank reduces it by 50% so he gets 375 dmg per auto

crit so op.... tank melting many wo such doge here (i just had to be a bastard)

BluePolarizer1 votes

Protip: a 25% difference in damage reduction from 75% to 50% is the same as ignoring 200 armor on a 300 armor guy. 100 armor means 50% damage reduction, 300 armor is 75% damage reduction.

You will have nowhere near the amount of armor shred that is needed.

The math with 200 armor, which is what most ADCs will realistically be hitting with a LW, would be 247.5 damage.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

i just made a point arpen>than crit on an armored target

BluePolarizer1 votes

They are, from the math, about equal. Crit however is better against squishies.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

arpen>than crit on an armored target

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                           on an armored target

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                                                              armored target

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Crit however is better against squishies

yes i noticed

BluePolarizer1 votes

no, check the math. they are equal against armored targets with any reasonable build (i.e. not thornmail/FH/randuins/sunfire/tabis/iceborn) and better against squishies.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

(i.e. not thornmail/FH/randuins/sunfire/tabis/iceborn)

you forgot the chainmail, cloth armor, zz rot portal and the rest of items that give armor

if your math rewolwes around tanks without armor (and i cant see them geting much of armor when you dont allow them to buy it) then ofc that crit wins, since you are still fighting squishies

at some point lw just outpowers other purchases just because it allows you to get through that armor and amplifies your crit, its important on adc who unloads on enemy frontline a lot

you can argue but try playing adc's without ever buying lw, and tell me how your crit is op when your crits will deal less dmg than you have ad just because enemy bought armor, probably one item will realy hurt you

and just for lolz i checked you, you had only one game of adc in current history, a caitlyn with lw in first item slot

arpen does not replace the damage, but amplifies it, thats why its actualy more potent than getting more damage in most cases, and thats why it is the tank melter stat not the crit itself, since arpen allows crit to actualy get to enemy hp pool

IcyPepper1 votes

Whether it is or it isn't... it certainly helps either way.

shrugs

Only Play Darius2 votes

item 3075 says hi.

Linna Excel1 votes

Shhh.

Tanks aren't supposed to know to take thornmail against two AA champ teams.

Enkidusmurf1 votes

So, I tried to find the match, but it looks like it wasn't a ranked game. Can you tell us if either/both of them had a Ghostblade or a Black Cleaver?

Also, thread hijack! Why do you play Leona Jungle? (Not a criticism; just curious. My jungle pick is Irelia, so I have no room to pick on anyone.)

darkdill3 votes

Because I'm trying to make Dark Horse Jungle Leona a thing. Her clears might be bad, but her ganks are SCARY.

EDIT: Here's the match link. Turns out Quinn had a Ghostblade, but that shouldn't have been sufficient to penetrate my armor.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1775140835/197504?tab=overview

Enkidusmurf1 votes

I kinda like that idea. Not saying I'm going to debut in ranked with it, but I may try it out some time. I bet she really benefits from Cinderhulk. :D

Just from the sound of it, that is a bit odd. But, I'm pretty bad at figuring out what'll happen just from numbers. If they had a significant amount of AD, some attack speed, and maybe a BoRK (I'm guessing Quinn built one, if she went top, right?), this might just be a normal sort of thing. TombDragon makes a good point; it'd be awesome if you could go into your match history and link us to the game you're talking about.

I guess part of this is just that ranged AD carries kind of have preferential treatment over tanks as far as Riot is concerned, because no one wants to watch the League Championship Series of Wet Noodle Fights. Doesn't sound like there's much to it other than that.

Linna Excel1 votes

My problem with jungle Leona is I've been talking to people who've done it at a high level and she kind of falls off as the game goes on. Plus I'm not fond of junglers that are that item dependent when I can just take Sej if she's open.

darkdill1 votes

The thing is that in high level games, you could pick Jungle Leona early in draft and trick your opponents into taking Janna, then your support player takes Sona. Countered!

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