Why is this the case with EVERY Vayne game?

U4fyn2vZzW·Aug 29, 2015·85 votes·6,818 views

With Vayne the game either goes one of two ways.

Get fed early, completely DOMINATE the game for the rest of its remainder.
Feed early and simply farm till bork then proceed to anally ream the enemy team.

This isn't the case for a feeding Corki or MF as they won't just come back after having two items despite feeding hard. Vayne is literally the only adc in the game I who I will contemplate ffing if she gets fed because once she's fed she has literally ZERO fallbacks to exploit and shut her down when fed.

I'm fucking tired of this champion every game, whenever I see her on either team it sucks all the potential fun I will have in the game. She's so fucking aids.

105 Comments

UltraSceptileAug 29, 201539 votes

Not kidding Vayne is in almost 90% of my games in the past month, banned or picked. I don't even want to know the winrate of vayne in my games.

LICENSED HOOKERAug 29, 201514 votes

the classic, Zac -"Man we sure camped Vayne theres no way she can come back" Blitzcrank - "Yeah hi 5!" grabs zac

Mean while bot lane

" pew pew pew, spamming taunts pew pew pew"

Enters a team fight Enemy quadra kill [ALL]"ez"- Vayne

S2C2Xd9KOyAug 29, 201524 votes

Im waiting for Riot to just remove every champion from the game and make the client just a chatroom because of all the bitching people do over every champion in the game. As soon as someone doesn't understand how to beat a champion or how a champion works they just get pissy and tilt whenever theyre against that champion causing them to lose even harder. Vayne isn't broken, she has so many weaknesses. Im so sick of everyone bitching about her and countless other champions that they can't beat.

U4fyn2vZzWAug 29, 201512 votes

Ok so what is Vayne's weakness? Give me one clear weakness that can be exploited to beat this champion because I've yet to find one and now that I think about it a lot of people have yet to find one as of recently. With other ADCS there is some fallback but Vayne has literally none if she's ahead. When an enemy Kog gets fed it's not the end of the world since he's immobile which means easy to cc and shut down but this doesn't at all apply to Vayne. She's probably the most mobile adc in the game, arguably the best duelist in the game, arguably the hardest scaling ADC in the game, shreds tanks (RIP building armor to counter a fed Vayne), can easily self peel, and most importantly she doesn't fall off at any point in the game.

UltraSceptileAug 29, 20155 votes

[{quoted}](name=True Sovereign,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ihE0h7Pm,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2015-08-29T13:19:17.489+0000)

Ok so what is Vayne's weakness? Give me one clear weakness that can be exploited to beat this champion because I've yet to find one and now that I think about it a lot of people have yet to find one as of recently.

Her weakness is getting 4 v 1ed in a teamfight if she has no peel.

If she has a soraka or janna you can just ff twenty it's probably a 99% chance loss unless the vayne afks.

U4fyn2vZzWAug 29, 201512 votes

"Her weakness is getting 4 v 1ed in a teamfight if she has no peel."

So basically her weakness is the universal weakness of ALL adcs right? xD

Crowe StalkerAug 29, 20154 votes

Except Vayne requires so much more team effort to focus and shut down...

U4fyn2vZzWAug 29, 20155 votes

And another weakness of ADCS is having good positioning and map awareness to not get caught out by assassins, yeah I've seen plenty of Vayne's easily 1v1 the assassins that are suppose to punish her when being caught out even when she's not fed.

Crowe StalkerAug 29, 201518 votes

Zed : I HAVE YOU NOW! Vayne : Condemns for Five Years Uh no, I HAVE YOU! An Ally has been Slain!

Malphite : I was designed to Counter AD. Vayne : You were not designed to Counter Me. Enemy Double Kill!

Rammus : Okay. Vayne : Nope. Enemy Triple Kill!

macromiteAug 29, 20151 votes

I counter the malphite thing, a halfway decent malphite can make it so vayne can't auto attack. literally her only counter.

KidSpectreAug 29, 20152 votes

Malphite item 3110 item 3143 Makes me cri. Almost literally.

Tried killing a Malphite as a Nautilus once. I had a Wit's End, so I was sure to win the slap fight. But then Malphite pressed E, and had frozen heart. I had--no joke--One AA every 3 seconds. It was miserable.

RalanrAug 29, 20153 votes

I've seen her eat through Malphite like a soft cookie.

I don't think that should be a thing.

DazedOnlookerAug 29, 20152 votes

Where there is also a Vayne on your team

Vayne "DW Guys everyone knows the counter to Vayne is herself!"

Vayne An Ally has been Slain!

UltraSceptileAug 29, 20156 votes

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"Her weakness is getting 4 v 1ed in a teamfight if she has no peel."

So basically her weakness is the universal weakness of ALL adcs right? xD

Except half the time you do that vayne gets a quadra kill even though she only had bork and zeal 55 minutes in.

LegacyDAPAug 29, 20153 votes

We know how to beat Vayne, but I got to be honest with you here. If other ADC's were stronger then Vayne wouldn't be OP.

Basically Vayne is OP compared to any other ADC.

I can beat Vayne. But, it's not like she has so many weaknesses though like you're making it out to be.

Sorry just my opinion.

TyroneWatermelonAug 29, 201517 votes

We all know that. But unfortunately riot reads ALL of our posts,but ignore posts about Vayne,Riven,Annie and Fizz. BETTER FUCKING GIVE MASTER YI DANCE SPEED SCALE WITH MOVEMENT SPEED

Tails DollAug 30, 20153 votes

But Master Yi desperatly need that. How else can he dance at the speed of light?

IAM2FKINGKawaiiAug 29, 201512 votes

I hate having a Vayne on my side. Such a useless ADC. I want an ADC that can waveclear and siege, not have short range and only be good for killing someone 1v1. I have her banned just so I don't have her on my team.

Arcana LancerAug 29, 201525 votes

She doesn't waveclear creep, she waveclear the whole enemy team.

U4fyn2vZzWAug 29, 20158 votes

You shouldn't expect your ADC to be the waveclear of your team anyway but if they do have waveclear it's an extra perk, your mid is suppose to be your waveclear. You pick an ADC to help siege objectives like towers and dragons all of which Vayne excels as melting like butter.

Sakura MirageAug 29, 201511 votes

You want to know why vayne is picked a lot it's because she is the only one that can duel these tanks with her self peel and true damage.

U4fyn2vZzWAug 29, 20156 votes

I've seen players pick Vayne in a team made up of pure assassins and still dominate.

MatezoideAug 29, 20155 votes

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You want to know why vayne is picked a lot it's because she is the only one that can duel these tanks with her self peel and true damage.

It is almost like her pickrate was always massive.

Can people please stop calling the likes of Garen and Skarner "tank" now?

Sakura MirageAug 29, 20156 votes

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It is almost like her pickrate was always massive.

Can people please stop calling the likes of Garen and Skarner "tank" now?

Since when did I say those guys were tanks? Please tell me

AuroramancerAug 30, 20151 votes

Since when did he say that you said Garen and Skarner are tanks?

He said "can people stop...", not "can you stop..."

LionelLeonAug 29, 20157 votes

Maybe if vayne didn't have 2 AD steriods, she wouldn't viably rush attack speed and still dominate. Along with her peel and mobility makes her overloaded, she was fine until they nerfed every other adc, Caitlyn isn't even a lane bully anymore. EDIT: they also buffed her Q, making the cooldown start as soon as she auto attack instead of when it lands.

NoMonkuAug 29, 20156 votes

This is how almost all Vayne games work in solo que. The only times I've won against a Vayne and kept her down is when we won all lanes and had a good late game scaling ADC (Trist, Kog, Jinx) or in a party with 5 people. She is so punishing because she excels at taking advantage of peoples mistakes. Usually most people who pick Vayne know how to play her once she has 3-5 items, the problem is just getting to that point. If she is kept down, she can usually AFK farm because a lot of people who get fed get overconfident and start tunneling on kills instead of objectives such as towers. She us usually then able to make up the deficit she had from the overaggression of your fed teammates and get on par or further ahead of her counterpart ADC, meaning she can fight now. Also she is one of the few ADC's that's more rewarding for how skilled you are at playing her compared to most ADC's, so a lot of people play her.

Another of her strengths is that a lot of the traditional ADC's who could dump on her hard early in the game got nerfed as well as the ones who could outscale her. She is also strong in the "tank" meta because of her W passive.

U4fyn2vZzWAug 29, 20153 votes

This is basically how it works, if a Vayne goes 6/0 in lane you better pray every other laner dominated their lane because if they didn't the game is pretty lost. If Vayne leaves lane with a bork and pd then it's over.

AlphariteAug 29, 20151 votes

Lol that statment could be said for literally any other fucking champion in the game. If they're 6/0 out of lane, you're fucked.

RavenKouhaiAug 29, 20153 votes

if jinx is 6/0, you can at least build armor and health and target her since she has no escape

if vayne is 6/0, she'll shred you no matter what you build, can chase you down with 2 movespeed buffs, and can escape with a dash and knockback. and the dash makes her invisible.

TheI3igDaddyAug 29, 20155 votes

It's Vayne and Jinx, Vayne and Jinx, Vayne and Jinx.

Fuck both of these champions.

Ben SharpioAug 29, 20155 votes

I watched a documentary about the bill gates foundation prescribing an abundance of anti-retroviral medication solely to not those suffering from AIDS in South Africa, but to innocent, suffering people who have to endure a whole match with this aids spreading champion.

"There is an epidemic to this champion that can only be solved by banning her, but i provide anti-viral medication to those who, unfortunately, have to put up with this bitch of a champion COST FREE because as a non-profit organization, I feel as if it is my role to prevent freelo champions from consistently effecting the health of League of Legend's gameplay in a detrimental way. GG"

A direct quote from Bill Gates himself.

VexingRavenAug 29, 20152 votes

{quoted}

I watched a documentary about the bill gates foundation prescribing an abundance of anti-retroviral medication solely to not those suffering from AIDS in South Africa, but to innocent, suffering people who have to endure a whole match with this aids spreading champion.

"There is an epidemic to this champion that can only be solved by banning her, but i provide anti-viral medication to those who, unfortunately, have to put up with this bitch of a champion COST FREE because as a non-profit organization, I feel as if it is my role to prevent freelo champions from consistently effecting the health of League of Legend's gameplay in a detrimental way. GG"

A direct quote from Bill Gates himself.

Must-ban champions are bad, period.

SunriseSkaterKidAug 29, 20155 votes

I banned Jinx,Vayne two games in a row and both times someone quit the game. When this happens you know there is a problem. One kid even said "what other ADC are there anymore?"

BronzoidAug 29, 20154 votes

Vayne needs to get Akali'd. You can do it Riot, I believe.

Krys StarAug 29, 20153 votes

They need to remove the flat damage on her Silver Bolts, and reduce her aspd per level. She gains a massive 4% per level, on top of rushing bork and PD/Shiv typically. That's an extreme amount of attack speed early on.

Lady HammerlockAug 29, 20153 votes

yes she is strong yes her late game is retarded but for a red to listen we need to make a good constructive and rational post

U4fyn2vZzWAug 29, 20154 votes

Plenty of those have already been made with no response.

DazedOnlookerAug 29, 20153 votes

I feel the same way when i see a fed Vayne Kalista (<- these guys are difficult to focus if their kite game is decent) Riven or Yasuo (<- difficult to deal with if your team doesn't know who to focus). xD

And the icing on the cake.. Singed ..the only thing that has been working against him is going at least 1v3 against him, and god forbid any of us have no damage..

Singed An Enemy is Godlike! (<- godlike indeed at this point..)

Mordekaiser Sona Akali Shut Down Singed

Singed Enemy Triple kill!

Mordekaiser Sona Akali "Fk.."

EXO SehunAug 29, 20152 votes

Vayne is only popular because of her insane late game. Once she gets BotRK and PD, she's nearly unstoppable. Regardless if fed or not. If you don't want to deal with a lot of Vaynes, ban her or get someone to do it.

Dar RaksadaAug 30, 20152 votes

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Vayne is only popular because of her insane late game. Once she gets BotRK and PD, she's nearly unstoppable. Regardless if fed or not. If you don't want to deal with a lot of Vaynes, ban her or get someone to do it.

Not sure if two items should be seen as lategame, sounds more like midgame (with lategame being full build, or close to it)

ImSoFullAug 29, 20152 votes

Really? most of the time when im forced on adc, ill vayne but team ends up feeding a fiora or riven 10kills. maybe im just not good at adc in general not to mention vayne.

Gojira PrimeAug 29, 20152 votes

My brother and i gave had the same problems with with Vayne also in when we duo in ranked. But mostly because he liked to play Lucian as is hi favorite ADC. Just last night though he was finally fed up with him and he buought Ezeral. We played two games vs a Vayne , made one rage quit and the other one was fed so much that we were able to close out the game and she was able to get those kills or farm up well. Guss what im trying to say is duo with some one bot lane and play what works well for you and you duo. Plus pinks help a lot no free shots from her ult. I was janna by the way

Unlucky Number7Aug 29, 20152 votes

She has the WORST WAVE CLEAR of any adc. if their mid isn't ziggs or xerath get banner of command , get baron, siege their turrets .

If vayne afk farms to make up for a terrible laning phase fight 5v4 on the other side of the map. it'll take forever for her to push to your turret. in other words once you crushed her laning phase take advantage of it by taking objectives. Don't allow her to come back. she's coming back with a third item because you didn't push your advantage.

her "dash" isn't' very far. it only becomes relevant when combined with the stealth from her ult. place a vision ward down right when she ults that'll neuter her mobility, this applies to anyone who has a stealth, akali, twitch, leblanc, ect.

Her effective range is low, not her auto attack range, her effective range. All other adcs have some way to do damage further than 550 range, not vayne. In order for her to do damage she has to be within spitting distance. abuse this.

UltraSceptileAug 29, 20152 votes

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She has the WORST WAVE CLEAR of any adc. if their mid isn't ziggs or xerath get banner of command , get baron, siege their turrets .

If vayne afk farms to make up for a terrible laning phase fight 5v4 on the other side of the map. it'll take forever for her to push to your turret. in other words once you crushed her laning phase take advantage of it by taking objectives. Don't allow her to come back. she's coming back with a third item because you didn't push your advantage.

her "dash" isn't' very far. it only becomes relevant when combined with the stealth from her ult. place a vision ward down right when she ults that'll neuter her mobility, this applies to anyone who has a stealth, akali, twitch, leblanc, ect.

Her effective range is low, not her auto attack range, her effective range. All other adcs have some way to do damage further than 550 range, not vayne. In order for her to do damage she has to be within spitting distance. abuse this.

No a single adc does a lot of damage outside of their auto range except corki and sivir. Everything else needs to auto to do any kind of real damage. I don't understand why people say that "vayne can't hit stuff outside of her auto attack range" is a kind of weakness. Not a single adc can do any kind of real damage without their autoes. It's like if you gave vayne's ult a 1000 range projectile skillshot that does 1 true damage to the first enemy hit. That's not any fucking damage. Sure it does damage outside of her range but it doesn't mean this shit is reliable in any way shape or form.

Lady HammerlockAug 29, 20153 votes

she is reliant on hitting aa like any adcs of but lets be honest here jinx can extend her aa range and so can kog cait has a long aa range,her Q and a long range execute ashe has volley spam and her ult with her combined above average aa range tristan gains aa range per lvl and has a knock back ulti kalista can Q and throw her damn support into the enemy team yes they are still reliant on aa but have you noticed something? they all have some way of hitting more then 1 target during fights

KoKobotoAug 29, 20152 votes

Yeah this is pretty legit at first I was like "Naah I don't see Vayne THAT often" But now I'm like "Lets see how can I make this teamcomp around or against Vayne" Cause I know its gonna be picked ==

MazohistAug 29, 20152 votes

Pick Yasuo and place a good windwall everytime, u can play him top/mid/supp/adc , works great

TheVishualAug 29, 20152 votes

because Riot balance smokes a lot of crack before game deving, as you can see from the Fiora and Skarner reworks and their release onto live.

What did you expect?

Reaper SorakaAug 29, 20152 votes

Clearly Rito wants you to verbally abuse the Vayne and her team until they lose heart and surrender. You see, Vayne's team know if they can hold out long enough Vayne can carry the game. You cannot simply win by dominating all of your lanes, you must win with psychological warfare as well. Part of the fun of facing a Vayne is the emotional commitment you must make to the game. Oh... But don't face a Vayne often, because both teams will report you. You don't want to be banned.

Right...? This is how to defeat a Vayne? All chat was implemented for this sole reason? :P