I haven't bought Redemption or Locket in all of S7

ryona·Jun 9, 2017·4 votes·1,108 views

And I hard main for years now (since the beginning of S5).

What does this make me

60 Comments

RákãñJun 9, 20176 votes

Not buying Redemption on Soraka is like making a Healer in a mmorpg and not taking advantages in any healing specs. It's doable, but makes life hard. I normally don't buy Locket on Soraka myself anyways. I rather work on getting more HP than shielding. I might get it as a last item if the game if the game somehow becomes long.

TeémòJun 9, 20172 votes

your hp costs a % of your health though? Unless your doing some ap health stuff item 3151 item 3116 item 3030 item 2049 I don't understand xd

RákãñJun 9, 20172 votes

Sure it's HP percentage. But there are many ways that the extra life can really help with. Like once you get enough life, Warmong is really useful as you can quickly regenerate HP after each trades. Also, staying squishy as Soraka is not really smart idea too. You get assassin champions trying to jump on you to end your life at the start of a team fight so you don't heal your allies. I had plenty of times Zed or Fiora trying to kill me, but because I built life, they died trying and thrown the game trying to focus on me.

My normal build is normally consist of- item 2302 item 3158 item 3107 (Situational HP item) item 3083 (Situational item)

Just keep in mind, this is a build path I chose and like doing with Soraka. It's "MY" personal preference how to play her.

Tobias BracknerJun 9, 20171 votes

You aren't making any sense. Soraka has super long range poke and a move to silence enemies that get close. Being squishy Soraka is fine so long as you are on top of your map awareness and positioning.

RákãñJun 9, 20171 votes

Like I said, it's my preferred playstyle. It works for me. And I basically have mastery 7 Soraka doing this in ranked.

http://i.imgur.com/urfYFmw.png

And you're down-voting someone because theyhave a different play-style to you really.

Tobias BracknerJun 9, 20171 votes

Missed that bit at the end.

Both of your posts before that left a pretty heavy impression of "this is how Soraka had ought to be played" with your whole

Not buying Redemption on Soraka is like making a Healer in a mmorpg and not taking advantages in any healing specs Also, staying squishy as Soraka is not really smart idea too

So I jumped to a conclusion. My b.

RákãñJun 9, 20172 votes

Besides, with the build setup with item 3083 , You're basically a mobile healing fountain. And combine that with item 3027 or item 3152 you get decent healing with the AP and bonus life to obtain HP required for 's passive.

Remember, I'm not building to build "tank". I'm doing it for the Health Regen to recover lost life. The more I can spam W, the better it is for my team.

Tobias BracknerJun 9, 20171 votes

Okay so you see where I am getting confused, right? On one hand you say "This is what I like to do because XYZ and it's my style"

The next you keep talking about it like you are trying to convince me it's the superior style of Soraka.

RákãñJun 9, 20172 votes

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You aren't making any sense. Soraka has super long range poke and a move to silence enemies that get close. Being squishy Soraka is fine so long as you are on top of your map awareness and positioning.

I was explaining myself on the build. Sheesh.

Tobias BracknerJun 9, 20171 votes

Homie, you don't need to explain shit when it's "your style."

It's your fucking style. It makes sense to you and that's all that matters.

RákãñJun 9, 20172 votes

Whatever... Thanks for wasting my time. I actually took the time to explain myself because I wasn't making sense for you. Have a good day.

Tobias BracknerJun 9, 20171 votes

Sure. Just be sure to actually read someone's post before you respond to them next time.

RákãñJun 9, 20174 votes

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Missed that bit at the end.

Both of your posts before that left a pretty heavy impression of "this is how Soraka had ought to be played" with your whole

So I jumped to a conclusion. My b.

EndlessSorcererJun 9, 20172 votes

Personally, I'm not a fan of health-stacking (or Warmog's Armor) on Soraka. I find that it makes the self-heal on my Q less valuable, reduces my overall utility and raises the cost of my build.

Sadly, my old build (from a few months ago) is no longer workable due to itemization changes. Soraka item 3301 item 2045 item 3512 item 3158 item 3107 item 3190 item 3026 item 3504

It made her very difficult to kill late-game due to her sheer resistances and survivability. People desparately wanted to focus you down but they couldn't kill you quickly enough.

It provided rather nice health regeneration so that I could health during sieges too.

Note: Zz'rot Portal used to be fantastic for lane-pressure and gold-generation while providing great stats, so it was my most common rush item on supports. While people randomly fought in a lane, I'd have a wave pushing so I could actually threaten objectives and relieve pressure.

RákãñJun 9, 20171 votes

zz-rots is still somewhat decent. If I do get it, I normally drop it by a tower or close to the middle of the lane so the minion waves won't take it down. Which I find useful when people kinda ignoring the waves when they build up to big for the tower. Though, you could try the Banner of Command too. It'll push the wave into their tower and damage it if they aren't careful.

Yeah, I do agree it does take it's toll on the healing amounts. Though, I normally play Soraka in Tanky comps, so I can take the advantages of more spam-able heals without much worries of people dying. And they tend to build spirit visage, so it help the healing numbers for me.

FeelsCampedManJun 9, 20173 votes

A bad player I'm not even trying to be rude that's just the honest truth

Tobias BracknerJun 9, 20173 votes

A good player.

And a testament for how mindless the League "meta" is.

"Pros" just randomly say some things are the best and give a vague explanation. From there people just suck their cock and refuse to think otherwise, up to flaming people who dare think differently.

AhristocatsJun 9, 20177 votes

except he isn't

redemption and locket can soak up to 5000 damage together other items suck harder than an average pornstar

you're not forced to rush them, ardent is stronger than redemption/locket IMO, but afterward you HAVE to build redemption and locket, athene zeke or other shit are not worth

"but he is winning a lot without them" doesn't matter, he would be able to win even more by buying them

Tobias BracknerJun 9, 20171 votes

*can

Athene, Censer, Rabadon. You are healing more than Redemption on Soraka's ult alone (which is global) and increasing your dmg on your other spells.

VolphiJun 9, 20173 votes

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Tobias BracknerJun 9, 20171 votes

Oh I'm sorry, I had no idea that Soraka's damage actually heals the enemy.

That's what you are getting at, right? Somehow Soraka's damage doesn't actually damage the enemy?

VolphiJun 9, 20172 votes

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Tobias BracknerJun 9, 20171 votes

Suuuuure....

VolphiJun 9, 20172 votes

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Tobias BracknerJun 9, 20171 votes

Yeah, and I mocked what you did say.

I was mocking you.

You were mocked.

By me.

VolphiJun 9, 20172 votes

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Tobias BracknerJun 10, 20171 votes

...wait...

You believe there is a difference between talking shit and mocking someone?

Is English your second language?

VolphiJun 10, 20171 votes

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Tobias BracknerJun 13, 20171 votes

Homie "isn't there to deal damage" is a nothing argument.

I didn't twist your statement, I mocked you. Read it again. I was mocking you because your argument was a non-argument, only a vague excuse that people give to justify the meta so they don't actually have to think.

She deals damage just like any other champ.

She has moves that deal damage and scale on AP.

Hell her entire kit literally scales on AP.

She gets a lot of power from Rabadons just like any other AP scaling champ.

Tobias BracknerJun 14, 20171 votes

Actually I'm going to go ahead and end this conversation right here. You are clearly more interested in just imitating what pros do and not provide evidence to back up your claims or counteract my own. Then when your arguments are revealed to be opinions you just rely on insults.

I hope you actually start to learn how to play the game instead of mindlessly imitate other people. I'm done with you.

AhristocatsJun 9, 20177 votes

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Athene, Censer, Rabadon.

are you trolling? or low elo games are so clown fiesta that a support has a midlane income?

Tobias BracknerJun 9, 20171 votes

1700 gold difference

Easily made up when clearing a few waves / assists / towers / kills / gold income.

VolphiJun 9, 20173 votes

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Tobias BracknerJun 9, 20171 votes

...

That's why I explained how the gold is made up...

Read posts before you respond...

VolphiJun 9, 20172 votes

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Tobias BracknerJun 10, 20171 votes

You won't have many occasions to clear waves and you have to spend gold from assists, towers, kills and gold income on support items

Yes you will and no you won't. Try to actually think and not just obsess over the meta.

VolphiJun 10, 20171 votes

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Tobias BracknerJun 13, 20171 votes

Yes it is.

It's related to the meta because the only argument against it is "muh meta"

VolphiJun 13, 20171 votes

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Tobias BracknerJun 13, 20171 votes

All the arguments of efficiency/better w/ Soraka and not buying Locket or Redemption are all opinion based that rely entirely on "well the pros..." and "muh meta."

Tobias BracknerJun 14, 20171 votes

No they don't. You keep on saying things and don't actually have an argument. You got one shot to back up your claims buckaroo or I'm done with you.

AhristocatsJun 10, 20172 votes

there is just NO WAY you get this amount of gold on supports, no matter how unless you got fed so hard

high elo games also end up nearly at 25 min, redemption and locket both cost 2100 gold

are you actually trying to teach me the support role? your strat may work in silver, but i'm talking about where i personally play redemption and locket should always be bought above d1, that's all

Tobias BracknerJun 13, 20171 votes

And yeah, like you said, redemption and locket are 2100. Looks like you can cut both of them out for a Rabadon. Also there is such a thing as a high-kill game for both sides and aggressive taking of towers on both sides.

high elo games also end up nearly at 25 min

Oh, so because high elo players don't know how to not completely get trashed super fast then that is how the game must be played?

redemption and locket should always be bought above d1, that's all I'm only going to back this up with vapid arguments and bluh bluh i'm high rank

Yeah, you sure know what you are talking about.

VolphiJun 13, 20171 votes

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Tobias BracknerJun 14, 20171 votes

See? You are disagreeing without actually showing any evidence. You are just saying random stuff that other people say. You got one shot to actually make an argument that has evidence or I'm done w/ you buckaroo.

Tobias BracknerJun 16, 20171 votes

AAAAAAAaaaaand I'm done with you.

RákãñJun 9, 20171 votes

He's trolling. I looked up his stats and he doesn't even play Soraka.